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Okay, My mum promised that we'd go to pets at home tommorrow. I have a gut feeling that I'd be coming home with piggies! :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: I can feel it! ;D I'm really excited now! I could have some guinea pigs! WOO! :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: but there might be a chance they won't but, I have a reall good feeling.
 
Sorry I know that not everyone will agree with that but I would really try and avoid getting them from P@H if you can. there are so many people who have problems with piggies being sick, mis-sexed or even pregnant from there.
I hate P@H and will never set foot in the place if I can help it (haven't been in there for years now). I know that some people might feel differently but I would not buy a piggy from there.
There must be some rescues near you could try.
 
That's OK. Sorry I jumped in there with my soapbox hahaha
There might be cheaper places on the net to buy cages that also don't sell animals you could try. I am not sure as I have always used C&C.
 
Zooplus sell cheaper cages than P@H :)
Rescues do have young guineas in sometimes, if thats what you're bothered about? If you go to a rescue and have a chat with whoevers there, sometimes they'll let you know when they get babies etc?
 
it is her decision where she gets them from so dnt get 2 frustrated i have got pigs from there.
She might not have any rescues near her.
I am happy 4 u piggies x gd luck with the new pigs.
Anz x
 
Claire W said:
I got one of my guinea pigs, 2 gerbils and 2 hamsters (one was adopted) from pets at home and they are all fine ?
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Of course not all of their animals are ill but there are a lot of people who have had problems. We get a lot of people come on the forum after buying a GP in P@H where they are ill or mis-sexed or even already pregnant. The majority of the problems come about as their staff know very little about the animals they have to care for and the fact that they are all about making profit.

P@H also buy from backyard breeders and I would defy anyone having seen the state some of the GPs are kept in to ever want to step foot in one of their store again.

This is a very personal point of view and I know that some people will agree, some will not.
 
I'm not having ago I'm jst saying it is her desision n if anything goes wrong she will know not 2 go there again.
But if she is going 2 a rescue thn tht is gr8.
I havnt had any problems with pets at home except prices.
Anz x
 
No worries I didn't think you were having a go at all O0 I think Piggiesx said she was going o go to a rescue anyway
Obviously this is a pro rescue forum so people on here are always going to try and convince others that rescue is the way to go.
 
Laure said:
Claire W said:
I got one of my guinea pigs, 2 gerbils and 2 hamsters (one was adopted) from pets at home and they are all fine ?
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Of course not all of their animals are ill but there are a lot of people who have had problems. We get a lot of people come on the forum after buying a GP in P@H where they are ill or mis-sexed or even already pregnant. The majority of the problems come about as their staff know very little about the animals they have to care for and the fact that they are all about making profit.

P@H also buy from backyard breeders and I would defy anyone having seen the state some of the GPs are kept in to ever want to step foot in one of their store again.

This is a very personal point of view and I know that some people will agree, some will not.
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Can you define 'backyard breeder' please? :) As I think my definition must be different to yours!

I have to say though, if they were all about making a profit they wouldn't have bothered to refurbish the stores to separate rabbits and guinea pigs, nor would they bother feeding hay, or buying in veggies, or pay out for expensive surgery on animals that won't be able to be sold, nor would they pay out for vet bills when people have problems with new pets, or offer free cages when sexing mistakes have been made... they are not legally required to do any of what has been mentioned, so why do they do it if it is clearly costing them money?

Though, if you haven't been in there for years then I can understand where you are coming from. They have changed a lot over the last few years with lots of new policies coming in and lots of new training, so hopefully as that filters through to become 'the norm' there should be far fewer mistakes made. You'd hope so anyway.. I suppose a store is only as good as the staff who work there, no matter how many policies are banged into their skulls. 98)

Of course, i'm not saying they are perfect - I don't think any shop that sells animals can be! But in the grand scheme of things, compared to local shops and garden centres (and accepting that these places exist and are going to be around for a long time) they're pretty much near the top of the pile... I guess because they can actually *afford* to spend money on animal care.

However, this all aside, I do hope Piggies,x considers rescue piggies over pet shop pigs. At the end of the day, those in the pet shop have lots of space, food and water, and are more likely to get a home soon - they aren't in any sort of desperate situation. Those in rescue however actually *need* a home, and by taking them you could be making space for another couple of neglected piggies to be somewhere safe :smitten:
 
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I have to say though, if they were all about making a profit they wouldn't have bothered to refurbish the stores to separate rabbits and guinea pigs, nor would they bother feeding hay, or buying in veggies, or pay out for expensive surgery on animals that won't be able to be sold, nor would they pay out for vet bills when people have problems with new pets, or offer free cages when sexing mistakes have been made... they are not legally required to do any of what has been mentioned, so why do they do it if it is clearly costing them money?
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Actually yes, they ARE legally obliged to provide food and medical care for their stock as they are the legal owners of the animals until they are sold. The fact that they do throw people a bone of a free cage or medical care for animals they've sold is really the least they could do in such a situation

Anyway, I'm sure this thread isn't the place for another P@H bashing, we could go round in circles on this issue time and time again.
 
Good luck Isabella. the Nero 2 is too small for even 1 pig the Nero 3 is still on the small side but could accomodate one pig but the Nero 4 is great for 2 pigs but thats £99.00 zooplus.co.uk are cheaper.

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Sorry DSL I know this probably isn't the place and we you are right this could go round and round in circles, however...

The reason P@H have changed over the last few years is because the laws have changed. So they are not able to keep bunnies and GPs together and selling a sick animal is illegal which is why they will pay for vets bills, offer compensation etc...

What I call a backyard breeder is a breeder who has no consideration for their stock and their health other than being able to sell them (back to back breeding, breeding close relatives etc....)

Anyway sorry Piggiesx for hijacking your thread. I hope you find a good cage for your future piggies tomorrow.
 
SunshineAndTwinkle said:
Good luck Isabella. the Nero 2 is too small for even 1 pig the Nero 3 is still on the small side but could accomodate one pig but the Nero 4 is great for 2 pigs but thats £99.00 zooplus.co.uk are cheaper.

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nero 4 is £79 i think? thts what i paid lol
 
Yes, they are indeed obliged to provide food and medical care.

However, if an animal is being fed a muesli or nuggeted food that is labelled 'complete', then in the eyes of the law, they are doing nothing wrong if hay isn't provided. As, technically, the hay would only be supplementing the diet, not an intrinsic part of it. This is probably why you see so many shops who get away with not bothering with giving hay ::)

They are obliged to provide medical care, but I was talking about cases whereby the vet says 'you can try this/do surgery or we can euthanase'. If profit came first, then they would surely take the vets 'euthanise' advice, rather than spending money on treatment? Which I guess that from an outsiders perspective you would assume that they would pts, but I can say that there is money there for vet treatment, and if there is a chance that the animal can be treated back to health then why not use it? It's there for that very reason.


Just to clarify, the laws do not explicitly state that it is illegal to keep rabbits and guinea pigs together. If it was, then you wouldn't see other shops doing it. They only state that you should not keep species together that shouldn't be together - but seeing as piles and piles of books state that it is ok to keep them together, you'd struggle to convince a court that it is 'well known' that they should not be kept together. Yes, selling ill animals is illegal, but as the recent thread by (Lez?) shows, it seems to be very difficult to get the law behind you on this issue, and I suspect P@H are probably one of the very very few who would actually pay out without the threat of legal action.
 
can i jst say why have you put a ? by lez name
Anyway what cage do you want top get isabella?
I have hutches so i coudnt recomend.
Anz x
 
Lez you are right it is £79.99 thats the only decent cage from Pets at home. :)
 
I just went to p@h a min ago. All sold out of those cages. :( Soo.. I'm gonna have a look on zooplus but I cannot gurrantee my mum buying anything from there because shes not into Paypal. But you never kno. She really wants guinea pigs which is so cool because I thought she hated them. I was listening to the pigs in p@h.. My mum said they would be loud.. I couldn't hear anything. Aww.. there was a beautiful crested. :P I fell in lurve with him... :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
 
You can pay with debit card on zooplus as well. :) Also try Ebay you may get a decent second hand one. I missed out by 7 seconds on a 4x2 for £15.01 the other day! :tickedoff: ;D
 
Yeah, I'm looking on Zooplus.. Never really been on it before.. I'm def gonna show my mum some of the stuff on here. Also.. My local pet shop.. They have a rat type cage but it has a Hay rack and it's made out of plastic like the Savics and Ferplasts are made of. Off course I'd need to make a few adjustments but it's quite cheap and good. If it was big enough do you think I could use it?
 
just wondering....the size of the nero 4, is that similar to the rabbit 120 cage?
 
Please STOP this piggy fight about P@H. This is not the thread to do this. Start your own if you want to do this.
 
To be honest i'm cheesed off with the P@H wars, you'll never win whats they point?

Starla Nero 4 is 4ft x 2ft I have 2 sets of boars in 2. I really like the cage but don't like the igloo so took it out and put my own in. :)
 
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