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Anorexia/malocclusion in female g. pig - requesting advice on feeding

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Thank you. Bonnie is normally beautiful. She is not looking her best at present(!) But once she is back to health I think she will be stunning again. Her coat is very soft and glossy. But her biggest charm is her lovely character. She is genuinely affectionate, a real lap-pig.

I met two vets today. I think the first vet saw a mis-shapen, ugly pig and came to a (probably unconscious) decision that the prognosis was poor. I think the second vet saw a sweet little piggy, bravely enduring a serious illness and (probably unconsciously) came to a more optimistic prognosis. Appearances do matter. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do. I want to say to the vets, 'She's normally much cuter than this!' I feel that if they have sympathy for her they will be more hopeful for her and this will pay off in a better outcome.

Maybe I haven't expressed myself very well but I hope you can see what I am trying to say...

A vet who can see the beauty of a poorly pig is usually a better one than one who treats solely the part making the pig ill. Seeing the animal as a whole, as a living soul, acknowledging the creature not for its illness but as an individual life, can make a big difference in the way the animal is treated by those professionals. I am glad your experience with the second vet was better than with the first.

You are doing great with Bonnie. You are working with your vets, they are working with you, and sometimes that is all that you can do; make the best of what you have got, of what you can afford.

The abscess looks even bigger now it is drained, bless her. Be sure to keep the wound open so you can continue to squeeze any pus out and flush it inside, and allow it to heal up from the inside out.
Give Bonnie a little cuddle from me, let her know lots of people are rooting for her and hoping she recovers fully soon. x
 
Just A Quick Update on Bonnie

Sorry guys, I've been so busy haven't had a chance to respond to the forum.

Bonnie seems to be doing well. I've put more info on my webpage www.baptistini.info/bonnie.html and some recent photos.

Below are some pics taken this morning (Sunday 08/03/09). Cleaning the wound (which has no sign of infection); a photo of her incisors showing improvement in her bite; and a cute pic of her sticking her tongue out. Way to go, girlie!

Will write properly as soon as I have a chance.

Taking Bonnie back to vet tomorrow 9 am. Will report back.

Cheers!
 

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If the condition is continuing to improve I would be very wary of further treatment, at the moment, in case there is a setback. Often, no treatment, or delayed treatment, is the better option.
 
Up-Date on Bonnie (warning: contains some graphic descriptions and images)

Following the lancing of her abscess, Bonnie started feeding herself. She has gained weight and looks much perkier. From the horrible distortion that existed on Friday (06/03/09), her incisors are now almost normal. The change has been that quick.

9 am (09/03/2009)
I took Bonnie to the vet this morning. I saw a different vet, one of the senior partners (the third vet in four consultations). He carefully examined her wound, pressing all around it for signs of tenderness or discharge and found none. He said he thought it was healing well and that it should be left to heal naturally but I should finish the course of Baytril to assist nature. No further treatment would be necessary. We agreed a routine of three-monthly check-ups to check Bonnie’s teeth for any recurring problems. No consultation charge. I left feeling great. (See first image - Bonnie apparently cured).


11 am (09/03/2009)
I noticed that Bonnie was scratching her wound. I guessed it was itching as wounds tend to do when they are healing. I gave 0.2 mls Metacam (analgesic) to relieve the itching and stop her scratching the wound and perhaps infecting it. After dosing her I picked up my mobile phone to photograph the ‘cured Bonnie’ for my website and this Forum when I noticed that a thick grey-yellow, foul-smelling discharge was oozing from her wound. (See second image). I was shocked because there had been absolutely no indication of any infection in the wound and both myself and the vet had squeezed 360-degrees around the wound in an attempt to express any latent puss. This discharge seemed to come from nowhere.

I instantly set about cleaning away all traces of this material. I washed the wound with plain water (applied using a 1 cc syringe) and cleaned the wound with cotton buds dipped in brandy. Once I had cleared away debris with the cotton buds, I found a tiny hole at the base of the wound through which the matter appeared to be discharging from some deeper cavity. I knew I had to express all of the puss. I gently but firmly drew the flat of my thumb across Bonnie’s cheek, starting as far back as possible e.g. from the angle of the jaw, from the lower eyelid, from the base of the lower jaw, from the chin – in a 360-degree circle around the wound to express matter from all possible positions. Large amounts of this grey material came out. I washed it all away with copious amounts of water and brandy. I used plain tap water and brandy because this was all I had available to hand. (I later boiled a kettle to make saline solution).

Once these discharges had been cleared, I applied brandy through the syringe to flood the wound and then gently drew back on the plunger to suck any remaining debris out of the wound. After drawing back on the plunger I then flushed the syringe with very hot saline solution (water just off the boil from the kettle, as hot as the plastic of the syringe could take without melting; very concentrated saline -too strong for direct application to the wound) before filling it with brandy and repeating the process. I continued doing this and cleaning away with cotton buds dipped in brandy until all trace of puss or debris was removed.

I found this use of the syringe was a very effective way of cleaning the wound because it drew out hidden puss from the cavity on the other side of the tiny hole, which would otherwise have been impossible to reach (without cutting and I did not have a suitable knife, nor am I sure I’d feel qualified to try cutting). I was careful to ensure that the syringe was never forced into the wound or used to make a vacuum. The cleaning process was quite gentle. However, Bonnie did cry once or twice whilst I was doing this. I realised extreme care was required and tried to be as gentle as possible whilst being determined to clean out all of this infection.

This thorough cleaning process took about an hour. At first I wrapped Bonnie in a towel but she found that uncomfortable after a while and eventually she found a comfortable position standing on the workbench leaning her good side against my chest leaving her wound visible for me to work on. I gave her a small cabbage leaf to chew on as a distraction and it seemed to help. It was reassuring that she was able to eat whilst I was cleaning her wound – at least it was not so painful for her that she could not eat.

After the ordeal, I gave her a cuddle then placed her in her pen with plenty of good things to eat and reluctantly left her there because I had to go to work.

(See third and fourth images).

4 pm (09/03/2009)
During my break at work I was able to get home and check Bonnie and her wound. She seemed quite happy and the wound appeared to be still clean and healthy.

Midnight (09/03/2009)
Back from work. I checked Bonnie and her wound. It appeared to be still clean and healthy. I gave her a meal and she ate it with gusto. I then placed her in her pen where she went straight to the wire to greet the other guinea pigs (I’m keeping them apart until Bonnie’s wound is closed). She seems both physically and mentally far stronger than she has been since her illness began. I am hoping that these signs of recovery are not ‘false dawns’. However, I remember that she appeared just as well this morning at the vet’s and a few hours later a hidden infection became very apparent. I will just remain vigilant and keep inspecting the wound for any signs of puss or returning infection. The one thing that makes me less confident that her wound is really healing is that it still smells bad. A healing wound would not have any smell, certainly not a bad smell.

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I hope these notes help others who are caring for their own pets but I want to sound a note of caution. In these postings I describe what I do but I am not prescribing what I do i.e. I definitely do not recommend that others should do the same thing as me. I think you should do whatever your vets advise you to do. I have done the things I have reported here because my vets have not given me good advice about how to care for my pet and therefore I have had to make it up as I go along. Maybe I just don't know how to ask them the right questions to get the answers I need - but the consultations are so short there's very little time to think when you're with the vet.

I have noticed that my vets are good at doing their thing but not good at understanding things from the point of view of the pet-owner. When I take Bonnie to the vets, they describe what they think the problem is, what they think the solution is and then they take Bonnie away into a back room and carry out their part of the procedure, away from my sight. They then hand her back to me as if that were the whole process. But I then have to take her home and look after her. The vets do the surgery and the prescribing of drugs, but I have to do the nursing and the dosing and they never explain how to nurse effectively. That’s why forums like this one are so essential, to make up what is missing in the vet service, support for the pet owner.

Many thanks for your help and support, it is much appreciated.

More images on my temporary website www.baptistini.info/bonnie.html
 

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Save the brandy for yourself.
Tap-water by itself is more than adequate, there is nothing in it that can affect the pig.
You can, however, flush the wound with sterile saline solution as used to rinse contact lenses. It very cheap to buy and is readily available.
Head/neck abscesses can be difficult to cure and can sometimes take weeks or even months to resolve. If this should be the case don't become despondent and start looking for ever complex forms of treatment. Basic first-aid is all that is required.
Often the owner suffers more than the pig!
 
Could you clean out the wound with salt water? You've given a very thorough account and I'm sure your experience will help many in the future.
 
It sounds like the abscess has multiple pockets inside the overall 'capsule'. The wound in the latest photos looks like that of a burst abscess, and personally I find the ones that have burst (and left a sizeable hole) far easier to cure than ones which have had to be incised.

It may take a while to resolve, but you're doing great, keep up the good work.
 
Just A Final Word About Bonnie

Hello Everyone

I am glad to say that things finally seem to have resolved successfully.

Treatment
During Monday 9th and Tuesday 10th March I cleaned Bonnie's wound very thoroughly three or four times per day. Each cleaning session took about 60-90 minutes, with four hour rests between (fitted around my work hours). I worked slowly and methodically to minimise Bonnie's discomfort but nevertheless ensure that all traces of infection were eliminated.

Cleaning the flowing puss was easy enough using a combination of syringing and swabbing with cotton buds. Removing pockets of hardened puss was more difficult. Access to the inner chamber of the abscess was via a very small hole, hardly bigger than a pin prick. With the aid of a strong light, I could see into the inner chamber and locate balls of yellow material but I was unable to flush these out with the syringe. I improvised a tiny spoon by using the blunt end (the 'eye') of a sterile sewing needle (large sized, almost a 'darning needle') to hook and remove the balls (NB blunt end, never the sharp point of the needle and even the blunt end was used very carefully to prevent scratches on the wall of the wound). I found that once a small part of each ball of material was hooked up and drawn through the small hole, the rest of the ball would quickly follow, being forced out from behind. Some of these balls were amazingly large when fully exposed. Thus I was able to clear out even the impacted material.

I will not even try to describe how unpleasant this process was. I guess I have given a graphic enough description for you to imagine it - the smell was incredibly foul. I have a strong stomach but even I had to have a lot of showers and constantly change my clothes to get the smell out of my nose.

I estimate something between 0.5 and 1cc of hardened material and about 2cc flowing puss was removed over the period of three days. I have no idea how so much material could have been packed into a guinea pig's cheek (especially given how much had already been removed when the first abscess was lanced).

Late Tuesday 10th and throughout Wednesday 11th regular inspection and flushing of the wound found no sign of any infection. The only indication that the wound was not fully healed was a lingering foul smell.

Thursday 12th March. Cleaning of the wound at 8 am and noon today found no sign of infection and the wound smells fresh and clean. The surface is scabbing over and looks like a healed injury.

I have one more dose of Baytril left (0.25 ml, due 10 pm tonight) and I am pondering whether to ask for more from the vet, just to ensure that we get the last traces of infection. There's no way I want this to flare up again. Otherwise, I intend to let the wound finish healing.

Once I am sure Bonnie is not infectious and has gained enough weight to stand up for herself with her 'pen-pals', I will reintroduce her to the other two pigs. And life, I trust, will return to normal. Long-term care will mean vigilence about risk of further dental problems. I shall take her back for check-ups every three months or so or when signs occur that problems might be brewing.

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I now know that even the subtlest signs can be warnings of problems. Looking back, the warning signs were an increased thirst - none of my pigs drink much water they seem to get all their fluids from their veggies. Of the three, only Bonnie tends to use the water bottle. She used to drink water once or twice per week but this increased to once or twice per day - and I do mean very small, infrequent sips of water not a raging thirst. In absolute terms this was a tiny amount but in relative terms this was still an increase and therefore, as I now realise, significant. The other warning sign was the development of a slight droop in her lower lip - so slight that I only noticed it when looking at photographs with the benefit of hindsight. Even when her incisors still looked perfectly normal, the soft tissues of her face were showing asymmetry and thus hinting that all was not well beneath the surface. I now know that these small signs mean it's time to take her to the vet for preventative treatment.

Recommendations
I found weighing my guinea pig very useful for measuring how well she was doing therefore I would recommend weighing pet pigs on a regular basis. I bought a cheap kitchen scale for a few quid from Wilkinsons so it is not an expensive purchase.

I would also suggest having a 'first aid kit' for your pets so you do not have to improvise like I did (e.g. use brandy for antiseptic). Have things like a supply of antisceptic; styptic; syringes and swabs; probiotics/emergency feeds; Vit C tablets etc in it handy for emergencies - ask your vet for advice what to put in it.

Another thing I found really useful was to have an archive of photographs of my pets taken on a regular basis at all times of the day, from all angles, showing them involved in 'normal behaviour'. This is very useful for helping you see objectively what has changed over time (and thus correcting your memeory) or for showing others what the problem is. I guess many pet-owners take photographs of their pets out of affection (I do) but I would just add that the photographs also serve a practical purpose and therefore I would keep a range of pictures, not just the 'nicely posed' images but images that show natural behaviour. If you have a good camera to do this fine, if not then you can still get useful images using a mobile phone (like me).

Actually, after the stress of the last few weeks, nursing a guinea pig round the clock and holding down three part-time jobs and a PhD course, I feel I have earned a treat and I have decided that my Easter Egg to myself this year will be a digital SLR. Having a great camera will encourage me to photograph my pets even more often and thus help me see traces of illness as soon as possible - well, that's the excuse for getting something I've wanted to have for a long time (still, any excuse, eh, guys?)

Once again, many thanks to all who gave their support or offered advice and help. It is much appreciated.

I finish with some pics of Bonnie as she was at Christmas and as I hope she will be again in a couple of weeks.
 

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Fabulous news, fingers crossed that it is all finished now for dear Bonnie.

Oral antibiotics aren't strictly necessary for abscesses...I have had abscesses resolve with no antibiotics at all. The main issue is getting the offending substance and infection out, removing all the necrotic tissue (which it sounds like you may have done) and keeping it clean as it heals over. As it is a localised infection, oral or injected antibiotics may not - arguably - be essential.
 
Bonnie Still Doing Well

She's doing fine. I'm waiting for her hair to grow back and I'll post some good photos of her.

My advice is clean out the abscess as often as your pig can stand it and thus get to the root of the problem. Once the wound is cleaned, the antibiotic can mop up any remaining infection.

I wish similar success to anyone facing similar problems with their furry.
 
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