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Cupcake's Strange Little Episode (tummy?)

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Katherine

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I was so worried about Cupcake on Sunday. When I got up to give them their breakfast, she nibbled a bit, but just didn't really seem all that interested. Typically, these things always seem to happen at weekends - and my husband was away, so I was car-less - I just didn't know what to do!

Anyway, I was watching her for a lot of the day, and she was certainly off-colour and not herself. She did show enthusiasm for some foods, and was rather keen on a new bag of dried food that I opened, but wasn't eating half as much hay as normal. She was sort of rooting around a little bit, eating a couple of strands maybe, then returning to the corner of the cage where she spent quite a lot of the day. This worried me, as she never normally sits in this corner. It is one of their favoured toilet areas, which I think is significant.

I suspected something going on with her tummy, so I kept offering hay, to try and encourage her to eat it, and I also put her and her friend Queenie out for some floor time, thinking that a bit of a gallop might help Cupcake's insides to get going properly. She did actually popcorn a couple of times, which was somewhat reassuring. Things didn't seem to warrant an emergency vet, as she was still eating some food, and actually ate her supper quite normally. But her behaviour was still odd. She was also letting herself be bossed around by Queenie.

I got up at 3 in the morning to check on her, and she was still sitting in the corner. When she moved, I saw to my alarm that there were very few poops there (I had refreshed the bedding the previous day). I finally went back to bed after seeing that she had eaten a bit of hay, as I didn't know what else I could do really. So, I didn't get back to sleep, not surprisingly, and was in again to check at 5.30. What a difference! Cupcake was back under the wooden platform, whch is one of her usual spots, and was as keen as mustard for the usual morning cucumber - and the toilet corner had a very healthy looking pile of poops in it! Mind you, some of them might have belonged to Queenie, but I could tell that Cupcake was better just from the way she was behaving. It was such a quick recovery. I was all set to have to be ringing the vets, but so glad I didn't have to. It's about the first time one of our squeakers has recovered from something on their own.

I wonder whether she'd had a bit of a gassy tummy? (She didn't look or feel bloated though). If I'd had any gripe water, would that have helped? I wonder whether I ought to buy some in case anything like this happens again. I'm just so pleased that Cupcake is back to her usual greedy self again!
 
Please keep a good eye on her for the next few days and see your vet if there is a re-occurrence. It could have been a gassy tummy (usually you notice the belly being hard and swollen, either in parts or whole), in which case it would be good if you saw an emergency vet as severe bloat can kill. It could have just been a digestive or a pain problem.

We have got a hand feeding guide with links to all the things you need; it would be good if you ordered recovery food, some probiotics and vitamin C and had it at home for an emergency, so you can always support your piggy until it can be seen by a vet. Dioralyte sachets from the pharmacy and some metatone for pepping a piggy up also can come in handy. Keeping the guts going is very important with may piggy off food. http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/complete-hand-feeding-guide.115359/

Please weigh Cupcake daily at the same time instead of weekly until you sure that she is fine and has made up for her weight loss.
 
It does sound like it could have been gas, in which case, yes gripe water may have helped. It is always good to keep in together with the other things that Wiebke has mentioned. I took Gripe water myself the other day when my IBS was flaring and it did help for a while.

I agree that if you suspect bloat an emergency vet visit is needed though.
 
Please keep a good eye on her for the next few days and see your vet if there is a re-occurrence. It could have been a gassy tummy (usually you notice the belly being hard and swollen, either in parts or whole), in which case it would be good if you saw an emergency vet as severe bloat can kill. It could have just been a digestive or a pain problem.

We have got a hand feeding guide with links to all the things you need; it would be good if you ordered recovery food, some probiotics and vitamin C and had it at home for an emergency, so you can always support your piggy until it can be seen by a vet. Dioralyte sachets from the pharmacy and some metatone for pepping a piggy up also can come in handy. Keeping the guts going is very important with may piggy off food. http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/complete-hand-feeding-guide.115359/

Please weigh Cupcake daily at the same time instead of weekly until you sure that she is fine and has made up for her weight loss.

Many thanks for your reply. Yes, I'm keeping a good eye on Cupcake. She seems absolutely fine, eating lots of hay, very perky - and she dashed around like mad on the floor the other day. I'm aware of the dangers of bloat, but I didn't think it was - especially as I saw her popcorn I thought it was probably something more minor? I must say though, that had it been a weekday and I'd had the car, I would have no doubt gone to the vet anyway. Otherwise it meant begging a neighbour to take me, and it's quite a drive. Also, the last time (and first time) we went to an emergency vet, he said there was nothing wrong with the guinea, they discharged her next day, and although we took her back, she died three days later. That was awful. I do hope I wasn't being negligent not trying to get to an emergency vet. Normally we do take the guineas to the vet at the drop of a hat, I assure you! My gut feeling was that it wasn't an emergency, although I was very concerned. Oh dear, I wouldn't like anyone to think I try to avoid taking them to the vets.

I will get some gripe water. We don't have any recovery food at the moment, but I do have probiotics, vitamin c, metatone and syringes.

I will weigh Cupcake tonight, and see how she is doing. Normally we weigh them every Friday night.
 
It does sound like it could have been gas, in which case, yes gripe water may have helped. It is always good to keep in together with the other things that Wiebke has mentioned. I took Gripe water myself the other day when my IBS was flaring and it did help for a while.

I agree that if you suspect bloat an emergency vet visit is needed though.

Thankyou for your reply! By the way, you kindly replied to my question sometime ago, which was also about Cupcake - when we heard her hooting. We did take her for a checkup after that, and the vet said she couldn't find anything at all wrong, but advised us to make a recording of the hooting if we heard it again, and bring her back, and the recording, so that she could hear what it sounded like. Thankfully, we've never heard the noise since, so I'm thinking it probably was just a reaction to the hot and humid weather we were having at the time!
 
If you feed pellets you can just mush it up in warm water and give them that if they need extra
 
Don't feel guilty about not taking her.If you had thought she needed it I'm sure you would have got her there.You are a great mum
 
My experience is that when my pigs seem a bit 'off' like that (lethargic, not eating well, etc.) there is sometimes an underlying infection of some kind. One of my pigs in particular, Linney, seems to get that way with UTIs, even if she has no visible blood in her urine or squeaking when peeing or other UTI signs. She is actually on antibiotics right now for a probable UTI, main symptom being moping around, not interested in food or eating well, and generally being tired/lethargic. On the antibiotic she is doing much better and is back to her old self. If she seems to have perked up on her own and is back to her normal self, I would chalk it up to just one of those things, but if it recurs or doesn't fully resolve getting her screened for basic low-level infections may not be a bad idea. Hope this helps a bit!

Off topic, but Cupcake is actually Linney's middle name (yes, my kids gave middle names to the guinea pigs! LOL! Right now we have Linney Cupcake and Sundae Vanilla. LOL!)
 
Just to add, I don't blame you for not going to an emergency vet in the middle of the night. I'm in Canada and find that it is really hard to find an after-hours or emergency vet with any experience at all treating small animals or 'exotics' (yes, guinea pigs are apparently considered exotic!) My experiences with all-night vets is similar to yours... I've ended up paying ridiculous sums of money to have my pet misdiagnosed and, in at least one case, to have her die anyhow (not that it was the vet's fault- unfortunately there was not much our excellent exotics vet could do for her the next morning either, but she was misdiagnosed nonetheless and I was financially gouged when I knew more about the animal in question than the vet did!) I would certainly take my pigs in if it was extremely urgent and I could find an emergency vet with guinea pig experience, but all things considered, I would rather do home care from home overnight and see my usual exotics vet in the morning instead (and I know that my vet's office will get us in if it's an emergency- they are great that way!)
 
My experience is that when my pigs seem a bit 'off' like that (lethargic, not eating well, etc.) there is sometimes an underlying infection of some kind. One of my pigs in particular, Linney, seems to get that way with UTIs, even if she has no visible blood in her urine or squeaking when peeing or other UTI signs. She is actually on antibiotics right now for a probable UTI, main symptom being moping around, not interested in food or eating well, and generally being tired/lethargic. On the antibiotic she is doing much better and is back to her old self. If she seems to have perked up on her own and is back to her normal self, I would chalk it up to just one of those things, but if it recurs or doesn't fully resolve getting her screened for basic low-level infections may not be a bad idea. Hope this helps a bit!

Off topic, but Cupcake is actually Linney's middle name (yes, my kids gave middle names to the guinea pigs! LOL! Right now we have Linney Cupcake and Sundae Vanilla. LOL!)

I hope your Linney recovers fully soon! Cupcake seems totally her normal self now, since Monday morning. Such a relief. I hope it was just one of those things, as you say, but I'll be taking her to the vet if it happens again, for sure.

How sweet that your piggies have middle names! I'd better not suggest that to my husband, or he'll be trying to think of some for ours! Mind you, it always tickles me when they give the piggies our surname at the vets!
 
Just to add, I don't blame you for not going to an emergency vet in the middle of the night. I'm in Canada and find that it is really hard to find an after-hours or emergency vet with any experience at all treating small animals or 'exotics' (yes, guinea pigs are apparently considered exotic!) My experiences with all-night vets is similar to yours... I've ended up paying ridiculous sums of money to have my pet misdiagnosed and, in at least one case, to have her die anyhow (not that it was the vet's fault- unfortunately there was not much our excellent exotics vet could do for her the next morning either, but she was misdiagnosed nonetheless and I was financially gouged when I knew more about the animal in question than the vet did!) I would certainly take my pigs in if it was extremely urgent and I could find an emergency vet with guinea pig experience, but all things considered, I would rather do home care from home overnight and see my usual exotics vet in the morning instead (and I know that my vet's office will get us in if it's an emergency- they are great that way!)

I'm sorry that you also had such a bad experience with an emergency vet. I really don't think the one who saw our Angelina knew a thing about guinea pigs. It's still hard to think about it all, I do feel she was badly let down.
 
I hope your Linney recovers fully soon! Cupcake seems totally her normal self now, since Monday morning. Such a relief. I hope it was just one of those things, as you say, but I'll be taking her to the vet if it happens again, for sure.

How sweet that your piggies have middle names! I'd better not suggest that to my husband, or he'll be trying to think of some for ours! Mind you, it always tickles me when they give the piggies our surname at the vets!
It's nice that your hubby is invested in the pigs as well! Mine is not really an animal person... he liked the first pet we owned together more years ago than I like to count (Thorny, our first hedgehog) and then has never liked another on since! The kids and I love the pigs... he just rolls his eyes at us!
 
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