Dominance Issues After Illness (2 Boars)

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Bare facts:
2 boars, litter mates, been together since birth
they're estimated to be around a year old
whilst mild bickering before, they got on well
Praline was top pig, became ill, had a night out of the cage, now Sundae is top pig and vicious with it.

In depth story:
I'm having some real issues between my two at the moment caused, I believe, by the recent illness one of them had. Essentially, it was very touch and go with Praline, he was peeing blood, turned out to have sludge in his bladder and had the op to flush it. All went well, he's fine now, but unfortunately he had to be seperated from his brother for a night after his surgery. This has caused merry hell between them.

Where once they had been relatively peaceful, some bickering but nothing serious, now they appear to be fighting it out once again and unfortunately Praline has lost his spot as top pig. I say unfortunately because he was a benevolent ruler and all was calm. Sundae, however, is a troppy, grumpy, huffy little pig who likes to throw his weight around. Leadership is not a good look on him.

Yesterday, they got into a teeth chattering, foot stomping huff with eachother, Sundae made a lunge as he often does, but tripped over the food bowl and actually ended up basically falling into Praline's teeth. Both of them were HUGELY traumatised by this, Sundae cried for a good 10 minutes while I checked him over to make sure he had no major injuries, Praline was utterly confused and upset. The physical result was a cut nose and lip, but nothing major. I cleaned Sundae up and back in he went.

They are now exceedingly wary of eachother and there's a lot of posturing and grumpiness.

It's always been my policy to let them get on with it unless serious injuries occur, so I've stopped putting them into their night cage now and instead leave them in their vast run overnight, so they have space to escape eachother and two of everything to ensure no battles over water or a bed.

Does anyone have any tips on how I can help them through this? They don't hate eachother, they've never fought over food or anything, most of the time (up until Praline's illness) they'd done very well together, but this really set them back and I'd love to see them back to happiness again.
 
I'm not a behaviour expert but They probably will calm down again. And giving them the extra space will help.

I tend to find as daft as it may sound a big pile of hay helps distract my 2 when they're being grumps. Hope all settles down soon.
 
Bare facts:
2 boars, litter mates, been together since birth
they're estimated to be around a year old
whilst mild bickering before, they got on well
Praline was top pig, became ill, had a night out of the cage, now Sundae is top pig and vicious with it.

In depth story:
I'm having some real issues between my two at the moment caused, I believe, by the recent illness one of them had. Essentially, it was very touch and go with Praline, he was peeing blood, turned out to have sludge in his bladder and had the op to flush it. All went well, he's fine now, but unfortunately he had to be seperated from his brother for a night after his surgery. This has caused merry hell between them.

Where once they had been relatively peaceful, some bickering but nothing serious, now they appear to be fighting it out once again and unfortunately Praline has lost his spot as top pig. I say unfortunately because he was a benevolent ruler and all was calm. Sundae, however, is a troppy, grumpy, huffy little pig who likes to throw his weight around. Leadership is not a good look on him.

Yesterday, they got into a teeth chattering, foot stomping huff with eachother, Sundae made a lunge as he often does, but tripped over the food bowl and actually ended up basically falling into Praline's teeth. Both of them were HUGELY traumatised by this, Sundae cried for a good 10 minutes while I checked him over to make sure he had no major injuries, Praline was utterly confused and upset. The physical result was a cut nose and lip, but nothing major. I cleaned Sundae up and back in he went.

They are now exceedingly wary of eachother and there's a lot of posturing and grumpiness.

It's always been my policy to let them get on with it unless serious injuries occur, so I've stopped putting them into their night cage now and instead leave them in their vast run overnight, so they have space to escape eachother and two of everything to ensure no battles over water or a bed.

Does anyone have any tips on how I can help them through this? They don't hate eachother, they've never fought over food or anything, most of the time (up until Praline's illness) they'd done very well together, but this really set them back and I'd love to see them back to happiness again.

Please sit it our and give the boys as much space as possible. They are still in the teenage months and the illness has caused a reversal of the hierarchy, which is not going down well, so you see a lot of dominance. I hope that it is going to calm down again. The incident doesn't count as fight, but as accident. Hopefully it has shocked both boys (who still have a firm bond) into not going right up to the line again.
Lunging is most often a defensive gesture; it is the strongest expression of "stay away from me". Whether it blows up depends on the other party how they take it.
Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
Illustrated Bonding / Dominance Behaviours And Dynamics
 
Thank you for the replies, I'm seriously hoping you're right! Any ideas how long this is likely to go on for?
 
Thank you for the replies, I'm seriously hoping you're right! Any ideas how long this is likely to go on for?

I hope that it is going to die down again soon. Please disinfect any gashes with saline solution.
 
It can be an anxious time, but you have to let them work it out. I've had it happen a few times. Sometimes it can take a good few weeks and I've found that one final standoff sorts it out.

I remember once one of my boys had a bladder stone op so he was missing from the cage for a few days.

On his return Toki decided he was now boss. His dancing was hilarious. He was crab walking all of the place, getting right into Anselmo's face.

Anselmo let him have his fun for a bit but when he got bored of it, it honestly looked like he ran along the wall of the cage and kicked Toki in the face. Toki ran off squealing and that was that. Anselmo was top pig again .
 
Thanks for the support, not going to lie, it's heartbreaking to watch them. Should I be worried that this has been going on for well over a month now, do you think? They seem to have good and bad days, but it definitely doesn't have a pattern I can see. I'm worried it may have damaged the bond for good, to be honest.
 
Thanks for the support, not going to lie, it's heartbreaking to watch them. Should I be worried that this has been going on for well over a month now, do you think? They seem to have good and bad days, but it definitely doesn't have a pattern I can see. I'm worried it may have damaged the bond for good, to be honest.

Please don't feel guilty; your boys are still in the teenage months where it doesn't take much to tip a tightly balanced bond over. I am sure that you haven't planned the illness on purpose! ;)
If you are worried, please split the cage overnight and see how your boys react, whether they want to be together or one of them decidedly not. At the worst, they will end up as one of these 'can't live together, but can't live apart' pairs that prefer their own territories but are stil firmly bonded through the bars (as long as they can interact through them 24/7 and that can at the best share lawn and roaming time. A goodly number of forum members has got them...
It is not uncommon that bonds that have rather sailed through the normally trickiest months without any mishaps suddenly founder at a time when other bonds are actually calming down.

You may find the tips on how to evaluate the bond in this guide here helpful: Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
 
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