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Abnoba

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Lily started behaving oddly over the last couple of weeks. Didnt move around much any more, didnt eat as much as she used to..
She is still eating plenty, but nothing compared to what she munching through on a daily basis before.
She is only 2 to 3 years old (dont know exactly) so it wouldnt be old age really.

Anyway, with her not moving that much she got really messed up, to the point that the urine and poo had made such a mess of the fur on her tummy that there were dried on strands of mucky fur.. so it was bath time.
And once she was in the water, she was pooing like at least 20 little.. what do you call them... "poo-lets" ;D, all a very slight brown colour not the dark they usually are. they were also very soft. And all that poo in like, less than 5 minutes?

On another forum they were asking what she had to eat before she went into the bath, because warm water activates your bowels, and well yes, she did have lettuce just before.
Well they told me it could either just be that, or beginning diarrhoea. If she was eating plenty of hay?

I have to admit, the hay intake HAS gone down a fair bit.. So they were saying, that might be a reason for diarrhoea, not enough fibre. And obviously, if she isnt eating enough hay, then there might be something up with her teeth.

I mean you know this common problem when the back teeth grow too far on the inside and chafe the tongue, tongue gets sore and piggies dont eat anymore? They were asking if she had lost any weight.

Well, when I last weighed her she had lost like 50 to 75 g, but as this varies from week to week anyway I wasnt too concerned.

After the people on that forum had mentioned that topic though, I weighed her again - and WHOA

She has gone down from approx. 1000g to 850g!



As I am not confident in checking backteeth, I suppose a trip to the vets will have to be done next week :(

Oh dear me. I hope its something different. I heard such terrible stories about teeth problems!
 

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Awww, I'm so sorry. It surely does sound like a problem with the back teeth. Hugs all round, let us know how it goes at the vets :)
 

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I would contact the CCT and find your nearest Rodentologist rather than going to the vets if you suspect teeth problems. It's sad to say but most vets are dreadful with piggies teeth so you really need an expert.
 

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Came home from work today, and my boyfriend said she has real bad diarrhoea now, not just soft poo anymore but a proper splat.

So he will go with her to the vets asap tomorrow morning...

I have put her out of the big cage now and back into a petshop one, shes sitting on towels so we can monitor how much shes been pooing and how it looks like, and shes on a hay/water/dried bread diet for now..

my boyfriend wanted to give her a carrot as he says she still eats that and if she looses weight so much she probably should have as much as she wants of the stuff she likes, but as fresh fruit and veg isnt really the thing you should give when they got diarrhoea,
I left it all out.

*sigh*

whats CCT?
 

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Cambridge Cavy Trust

They are a specialist guinea pig clinic - sounds like Lily could do with their imput asap. They give help by phone and text too - Think the number is a sticky on this board.
 

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This could be serious. It is what happened to my darling Dr Atkins - dreadful diarrhoea and tremendous weight loss caused by malocclusion of teeth. When he died he weighed less than half original adult body weight. Please get this seen to ASAP. Where are you?

You must get some nutrition into him. Try recovery food or I found fruit smoothie to be good, and Dr enjoyed it. Natural yoghurt also can help with diarrhoea.

I'm so sorry this is happening. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Please keep us posted. Hugs xx
 

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^^^^^ agreed

I went through exactly this with my poor Billie

I syringe fed mushed up Burgess Supa Guinea feed and also fed blended vegetable soup to get Bils weight up ( if you go down this route be careful with temperature - test on the underside of your wrist to see how hot it is before feeding)

I can recommend an excellent vet for teeth in London

Good luck
 

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Right, my boyfriend went to the vets with her this morning, and we just picked her up.

Vets checked her out and said that there were some sharp bits growing on the back teeth, and they cut them down, however they say they hadnt been growing that much to cause that bad a reaction (lilys tongue apparently was only a little bit sore and nothing major).

However they commented on her urine smelling quite strongly, and so they gave us some antibiotics that we have to give her daily with a syringe (0.2 ml) for five days, and then see how she gets on. They also said we should continue to keep her on a hay and water diet for now. If it doesnt get better (diarrhoea continues, or weight doesnt improve) we should contact them again.

I asked if I should do anything special to get her to gain some more weight, and asked about Critical Care, but they were just recommending Burgess.. however when it comes to GP-Food I usually go with the Vitakraft Regular, which is quite good.

If anything else happens, Ill let you guys know :)

thanks alot for all your advice!

//EDIT:

I am based in Malton, near York.

Oh, btw, to get her to gain weight - I have read that sunflower and pumpkin seeds are apparently quite fattening, also those flakes from oatmeal?
 
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I think the sunflower and pumpkin seeds are for fattening Gerbils!

I think your vet should have recommended a probiotic for your piggy if you have antibiotics. A sore mouth, upset tum and now antibiotics aren't going to encourage her to eat! Maybe you should ask the vet about probiotics and forget the seeds!
 
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I think the sunflower and pumpkin seeds are for fattening Gerbils!

I think your vet should have recommended a probiotic for your piggy if you have antibiotics. A sore mouth, upset tum and now antibiotics aren't going to encourage her to eat! Maybe you should ask the vet about probiotics and forget the seeds!
You are right piglover pumkinand sunflower seeds are not good for guinea pigs and they can stick in their teeeth causing problems.

I wouldn't worry to much about getting weight on her, just let her eat her normal food for now as it's important to keep her chomping. Now wouldn't obviously be a good time to swap mixes. Feed her the veggies and fruit you normally would though I would avoid anything acidic if she may still have a little bit of a sore mouth. If she has had, or you could introduce her carefully to a piece of fresh corn on the cob. Plenty nice fresh hay should be available, ahve you ever bought online from the "Hay Experts" they sell some lovely (obviously) hay and the dried grass is a big hit here with all the guinea pigs :)

*Has Lilly stopped the diarrhoea yet? Obviously follow your vets advice regarding food until then and as mentioned the CCT would offer great advice to you.

Look forward to an update, hope all is going well.
Barbara
 

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I am not feeding her any dry food or fresh fruit and veg atm, as she needs to get plenty of hay into herself first to a) help her teeth b) stop the diarrhoea.

I am not sure how her bowels are atm as I put her back with the others and dont keep her on towels anymore.. but yesterday evening she already started munching hay so I suppose thats a pretty good sign :)

The vet was saying about probiotics, but we both thought it would be good to see how she is getting on first.
I do prefer it when the piggies manage to go back to normal on their own... and as she is eating hay again already and therefore getting lots of fibre, I am going to sit back a bit and see.

About sunflower seeds - I am just wondering, how will they stick between their teeth as they are quite large? O_o

Anyway, we will weigh her daily now when we take her out to give her the Baytril, and check for diarrhoea aswell.

But she looks quite good, she was back to being quite chatty today :)

If she continues eating well we will also introduce fresh veg back into the diet.

Fingers crossed, it seems as if everything goes as it should :)
 

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2 days later, and she is down to 750g. :(

So we went to the vets again, they gave her an injection (Metoclopramide) against ileus.
We are also giving a syringe full (1 ml) of Critical Care every two hours now.

Tomorrow, we will pick up some probiotics from the vets, a paste, which we will have to give her with a syringe aswell.

I bought some new hay aswell in case she likes it better than the old, but she just seems to have lost her appetite completely.

We will see how she gets on with CC now, I hope she manages to keep her weight and not lose any more.. :(
 

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Sorry she still isn't improving.

Have you tried giving her any metatone tonic to stimulate her back to eating?
 

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If she has a sore mouth, daktarin oral gel (orange box, otc from boots etc) would be useful to give her. A good blob 3 times a day or if you don't feel happy putting your finger in her mouth, use a syringe and aim for 0.1-0.2ml.

You need to be giving her more CC too if possible, and water.

If you can get her to Nottingham to me, I have 2 good local rodentologists and would be happy to help if I can.

Fingers crossed for your gorgeous girlie!
 

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vet had a look at her tongue yesterday and said its not really sore anymore, so that shouldnt be the problem...

she still isnt eating, and she is trying her best to refuse CC - but we have to make you, silly little girl :(

I will ring the CCT today or tomorrow, simply because I am a bit disappointed with our vet.
I mean, on another forum I go to they told me I have to leave two hours between giving the antibiotics and giving the probiotics -
of course, because you dont want to give two things that counter each other. one that gives good bacteria, and one that gets rid of it all..

but the vet didnt bother telling us about it. *sigh*

A question about CC:

The vet told us that the water should just be slightly coloured, and give that to her.
on another forum I was told that I should make it more like a very thin paste, and that so strongly diluted as the vet recommended wouldnt do a thing for her really...

how do you give CC?
 
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Abnoba said:
A question about CC:

The vet told us that the water should just be slightly coloured, and give that to her.
on another forum I was told that I should make it more like a very thin paste, and that so strongly diluted as the vet recommended wouldnt do a thing for her really...

how do you give CC?
I don't use CC, have always used Recovery and that is made up to quite a "watery" consistancy as per instructions but it is very coloured.
Are there no manufacturers directions on the CC packet? If there are, I'd follow those unless the CCT advises otherwise.

You are right if you over dilute anything like this, you might as well give water ::)

I'd give the CCT a ring today if you can, it's easy for some vets to blame tooth probs, when there may in fact be an underlying disorder.

Hope all goes well,
Barbara
 

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CC should be mixed 1 part CC to 1.5 warm water, I tend to find I use 1 part to 2 parts water to make it a little thinner.... Although her tongue doesn't look sore, I would still use the daktarin just in case and to prevent infections in her mouth. It's tasty so she shouldn't mind... If you find her poops have stopped 1ml of olive oil daily will help to prevent gut stasis...
 

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Rang Vedra from CCT, the nearest specialist to us is on holiday! :(

She we could come down though, to Huntingdon... but they only have time today this week.
But this afternoon my boyfriend is going for a job interview, so I am not sure if we can make it, the drive down to London from Yorkshire will take us three or four hours I think :(

Lilys breathing is sounding really bad now, and she is so floppy :'(

I really dont know what to do I just rang my boyfriend he is still at a customers, and he wanted to be home by 11:30 because Lilys CC is due again anyway and now he is taking ages there..
I'm sitting here and cant do anything, I cant drive so I cant go down south without him and I cant give her anything with a syringe alone because she struggles so much and all I can do is sit here and hold her and feel so incredibly USELESS.
 

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If you wrap her in a towel and then place her in your lap, bum to your groin area, that should prevent her struggling so much and make feeding her a little easier.

If you can't get to Huntingdon, could you get to Notts if I contact my local rodentologists?
 
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