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Elderly Piggy

Dianet

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Hi, I have an adopted elderly sow who is approximately 7 years old. I had him at the vets before Christmas due to a strange breathing noise he'd been making and they said it was probably due to his age but without bloods and xrays it was hard to tell. That problem seems to have settled, however, over the last few weeks he does seem to have got a little thin and although he is drinking and eating his straw and daily veg, he doesn't seem to be eating his nuggets. I'm worried he may have dental problems as his front top teeth seem a little longer than my other 4 girls. My nearest exotic vets that I take them to is half an hour away and quite expensive for a consultation and what I'm worried about is they'd say he would have to be anesthetized for xrays, etc and at his age I don't think he'd cope. Has anyone else had an elderly piggy anesthetized? He weighs 790g at the moment.
 
Hi, I have an adopted elderly sow who is approximately 7 years old. I had him at the vets before Christmas due to a strange breathing noise he'd been making and they said it was probably due to his age but without bloods and xrays it was hard to tell. That problem seems to have settled, however, over the last few weeks he does seem to have got a little thin and although he is drinking and eating his straw and daily veg, he doesn't seem to be eating his nuggets. I'm worried he may have dental problems as his front top teeth seem a little longer than my other 4 girls. My nearest exotic vets that I take them to is half an hour away and quite expensive for a consultation and what I'm worried about is they'd say he would have to be anesthetized for xrays, etc and at his age I don't think he'd cope. Has anyone else had an elderly piggy anesthetized? He weighs 790g at the moment.

Hi!
Please switch to weighing daily at the same time and to stepping in with syringe feed. In an emergency, this can be mushed up pellets. Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

Have your piggy seen by the exotics vet. There are lots more reasons for an older piggy to suddenly lose weight than teeth; don't be fooled by a quick online google! If there needs to be a scan, it will be done with the minimal amount of gas they can get away with, just enough to allow them to position your piggy.


If it is any help for you, I have had several older piggies requiring full operations for other issues and also dental treatment; with a good vet it is not as much of a concern. My closest piggy savvy vet is about an hour's journey away, whether I go by train or my husband can drive me there - and I count myself lucky for that! It has several times included train trips with freshly operated guinea pigs, but none has ever come to any harm because of that.
Vet cost is unfortunately an issue and they often mount up with older guinea pigs. I have had mistery weight loss problems from a wide range of problems over the years; dental issues are often secondary to them and not primary if and when they occur.
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Thanks for your reply Wiekbe. Initially I did just think he was getting thinner with age (like old people get frail) as otherwise he seems ok and still runs round the house and patrols up and down outside the girls cage. I only noticed his teeth tonight when he yawned during cuddle time and it just got me thinking. He's never really been a 'big eater' and as my daughters sometimes top up their food I hadn't noticed he wasn't eating it as he does wolf down veggies. I'll phone the vets tomorrow and hopefully they can fit me in quickly. Out of interest, whats the oldest guinea you know of. Is 7 really old?
 
I had one piggy live to well over 8, but 7 is a really good age. They do start "shrinking" with age, but you are right to get him checked out. The vets may be able to xray without giving an anesthetic or may be able to do it with just a whiff of gas, so that he recovers very quickly. Please let us know how he gets on.
 
Thanks for your reply Wiekbe. Initially I did just think he was getting thinner with age (like old people get frail) as otherwise he seems ok and still runs round the house and patrols up and down outside the girls cage. I only noticed his teeth tonight when he yawned during cuddle time and it just got me thinking. He's never really been a 'big eater' and as my daughters sometimes top up their food I hadn't noticed he wasn't eating it as he does wolf down veggies. I'll phone the vets tomorrow and hopefully they can fit me in quickly. Out of interest, whats the oldest guinea you know of. Is 7 really old?

7 years is at the upper limit of the average life span. I have had a few piggies live to 8 or 9 years until shortly before their 10 birthday, but that is fairly rare. It is balanced out by losing several piggies at a young age to heart failure or neurological problems.

I currently have got a piggy within 3 months of her 9th birthday, two 7 year olds and five more that are going to hopefully celebrate their 7th birthday this year.

It is always important to make sure that any loss of weight and 'tone' is not due to an underlying problem.
This is often from one of the organs no longer working at full speed (very often there is not too much you can do about that apart from the heart), internal tumours or growths, bloat in the stomach (but not in the guts), large ovarian cysts in sows etc.
When seeing a vet with an older or very frail piggy, make sure that you and they have an understanding as to how far you want to take any treatment, whether that is prolonging life at all cost or whether prioritising wellbeing/comfort during what is their natural life span. Your vet will then give you your options accordingly and within your financial means, which is an important aspect as you and your piggy can get quickly caught up in a spiral of increasingly expensive treatments which is very difficult to get out of. I always weigh up any pros and cons of operations and intensive treatments with my vets before making my decisions, especially where the risks are larger and the benefits comparatively small compared to what I am putting a piggy of mine through - but that is an area where we feel all very individually, so there is no right or wrong.

The important point is that you see a vet and then make an informed decision. At the best, your vet will give your boy a clean bill of health for his age. ;)

PS: When looking at teeth, it is usually the back teeth that are the problem if the chewing is not even. You should notice that the self-sharpening front teeth are slanted or uneven as a result or are starting to grow inwards as they no longer meet to abrade against each. If one of them is becoming discoloured, this is usually from a root abscess in an incisor.
Looking at the incisors as part of the weekly health check and weigh-in is a good way of noticing protential dental problems early on. If the front teeth are looking normal and nicely sharp and even, then you can pretty safely assume that nothing is wrong with the back teeth.
Very slow and deliberate chewing, picking up pieces of veg but dropping them, gradual loss of weight and a wet chin as the tongue is starting to be trapped by overgrowing premolar spurs (they makes swallowing very difficult when they start bridging the tongue or are more rarely growing into the cheek) are the other symptoms of dental problems in ascending order. You have mentioned none of the signs that would point towards a dental issue. ;)
 
Hi, thanks for your replies. I've managed to get him in the vets tomorrow evening so I'll keep you updated. Unfortunately, I have limited finances but as you say I will have to weigh up my options if they do diagnose a problem, depending on the risks involved and his quality of life. I do wish you could insure guinea pigs like rabbits as I have spent a fortune on vets fees over the years, whereas I spend nearly £40/ month on my dogs insurance who's (thankfully) never ill.
He is such a little character who has free roam of my house when I'm home and follows me around, (especially when I go into the kitchen ). He will be so missed when his time does come.
 
Hi everyone, just a quick update on Sid my elderly sow. Without doing test/xray, the vet thinks he may have a URI and possibly crystals as she couldn't feel any stones. His heart sounds fine and his teeth look ok so she's started him on antibiotics and pain relief along with some recovery food (which he loves ) to get his weight up. I'm taking him back next week so I'll let you know how he gets on. I've also ordered a new food called Fibafirst which is suppose to be low calcium and better for 'bladder problem pigs'.
If no improvement, my next step would be to get bloods, etc for which she's recommended be done by Alan at Village Vets, Livepool. Obviously, given his age, I would have to weigh up if I can go down that route but fingers crossed it won't come to that. x
 
Hi, just an update on Sid for anyone interested. I was hopeful in the week that things were looking up as he started gaining weight after syringe feeding and then eating his new food Fibafirst. I took him for his followup vets appointment yesterday, however, and he's lost weight again and his urine sample, I eventually managed to get, was bright red. She's going to send it for analysis but its not looking good and the next step would be bloods and xray etc which she's quoted over £200 for. Hes still on pain relief and finishing antibiotics and I've got more rescue food, but I'm really undecided at what to do given his age. As he seems happy enough and she said he shouldn't be in pain, I don't want him euthanized but can I just keep him on pain relief as he is and manage his diet until his time comes naturally. Its such a dilemma.
 
Hi, I’ve just caught up with this thread. Oh no, sorry to hear Sids poorly & I send you lots of healing vibes. I’m afraid I’m not experienced enough to advise on pain killers etc..(sorry) but I hope Sid is pain free and happy. Hugs :love:
 
Hi, I just read your post. Sorry to hear Sid is ill. I've not had a pig with this problem but I can understand how you feel. Please give Sid a hug from me and I hope he gets better soon.xx
 
Hi, have just read your thread, I agree it is such a dilemma knowing what is best to do for elderly pigs with health issues, as Wiebke talks about above. If you went ahead with bloods and xrays you need to ask yourself would the results make a difference to what you would do? By this I mean for example if he had bladder stones would you want to put him through a risky opp, especially given his age? If, realistically the results will not alter his treatment then it is not wrong to decide against having them done.

If you are managing his pain and he is happily pottering about and eating well I dont think the time has come to have him put to sleep. You may need to make this decission a little later on tho if is health worsens.
 
Ok, I'm still on a rollercoaster of emotions with Sid. He's been to the vets again today for a conscious xray which was safer (and considerably cheaper at £87). He has got a bladder stone but it isn't very big so it isn't blocking anything. The vet has said she could refer him (which is not an option at over a thousand pounds) or she could do the operation herself at £350 but it is not an operation she has not done before. She has however operated successfully on Ebony one of my girls who had a very large abscess on her back. My other options are euthanasia or just to keep him on Loxicom for now as apart from blood in his urine he's now eating, drinking and running about as normal. I'm tempted to do the latter unless his situation deteriorates but wondered if anyone has successfully had this op on a guinea over 7.
 
Ok, I'm still on a rollercoaster of emotions with Sid. He's been to the vets again today for a conscious xray which was safer (and considerably cheaper at £87). He has got a bladder stone but it isn't very big so it isn't blocking anything. The vet has said she could refer him (which is not an option at over a thousand pounds) or she could do the operation herself at £350 but it is not an operation she has not done before. She has however operated successfully on Ebony one of my girls who had a very large abscess on her back. My other options are euthanasia or just to keep him on Loxicom for now as apart from blood in his urine he's now eating, drinking and running about as normal. I'm tempted to do the latter unless his situation deteriorates but wondered if anyone has successfully had this op on a guinea over 7.
I’m sorry you’re in this predicament.Have you looked on the vet locator? You could try ringing them to ask about the cost because £1000 is ridiculous.It cost me £250 for my late Sam to be operated on and that included being PTS when they couldn’t remove the bladder stone due to it being in his uretha x
 
Hi, just an update on Sid for anyone interested. I was hopeful in the week that things were looking up as he started gaining weight after syringe feeding and then eating his new food Fibafirst. I took him for his followup vets appointment yesterday, however, and he's lost weight again and his urine sample, I eventually managed to get, was bright red. She's going to send it for analysis but its not looking good and the next step would be bloods and xray etc which she's quoted over £200 for. Hes still on pain relief and finishing antibiotics and I've got more rescue food, but I'm really undecided at what to do given his age. As he seems happy enough and she said he shouldn't be in pain, I don't want him euthanized but can I just keep him on pain relief as he is and manage his diet until his time comes naturally. Its such a dilemma.

@Dianet Just checking is Sid a Girl or Boy? you mention your sow & then make references to him?
Girls are less complicated when it comes to bladder stones generally. Boys have the disadvantage of narrow pipework & stones are likely to get stuck more easily causing more serious complications. That would need costly. emergency surgery in the case of a stone being stuck in the wrong/place.

If its any help my Grace was about 5 when she had a big stone stuck in her genital opening, she had to be anaesthatised for it to be broken up, but this was at my general vets practice (not an exotics/specialist) she's now 18 months on roughly & had general anaesthetic for a large facial abscess about 6 months ago.
my vet thinks a mix of injectable & gas anaesthetic works best/safest for him.
Grace Has A Bladder Stone :(

Also i had a Ellie another sow (6yrs) with consistent UTI's/bleeding & had hormone injections as it was discovered she had ovarian cysts via a conscious ultrasound. she had two rounds of the injections, stopped bleeding & lived until she was 8yrs old.

have you tried a low calcium diet (no Kale, filtered water, etc) there is a thread of it on here somewhere, i'll try & get a link to it.

which antibiotic are you giving him at the moment? i have a feeling i've read somewhere on here Septrin in more effective for soft tissue or stubborn infections? Might be worth discussing with your vet trying a different one? @helen105281

Also a lot of bladder issue guineas have some success with Cystease (its a treatment for cystitus in cats) try discussing this with your vet too, if its only bladder sludge, cystitus, infection, crystals opposed to a stone it may help? (its an anti inflammatory that lines the bladder wall & contains glucosamine). this may be an option if its a boy too, opposed to my other girl based answers.

Feliway Cystease

if your guinea is on Loxicom thats a anti inflammatory based pain killer anyway so should make guinea more comfortable in the mean time.

good luck, speedy recovery & keep us updated.
love from the girls & I. xx
 
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HI Gem789, thanks for your reply. My vets said she'd do it for £350 and if I thought he could survive the anaesthetic and operation I'd definitely be considering it, even if I had to use a credit card. But I'm trying to find out what his chances would be at his age and if anyone's gone through this particular op in an elderly piggy.
 
I have no advice to add but just wanted to assure you of my support.
This is a difficult time for you I know.
 
HI Gem789, thanks for your reply. My vets said she'd do it for £350 and if I thought he could survive the anaesthetic and operation I'd definitely be considering it, even if I had to use a credit card. But I'm trying to find out what his chances would be at his age and if anyone's gone through this particular op in an elderly piggy.
My worry would be the fact she’s never performed this operation before.Id definitely consider looking on the vet locator and enquiring with them about prices and maybe asking if they’ve operated on older piggies x
 
Hi, just to update anyone who'd been following the thread. I decided against operating on Sid due to his age and just continue with the Loxicom and critical care. He was still eating his salad, pottering about and purring when I picked him up for a fuss and I was weighing him daily and he was maintaing his weight. Unfortunately, when I checked on him this morning he had passed away overnight. He was stretched out and looked quite peaceful like he was sleeping but with his eyes open so I'd like to think he was happy until the end and didn't suffer. For a creature so small its surprising how much of a presence he had and I will dearly miss my little boy. R.I.P. Sid. x
 
So sorry for your loss.
I hope you find comfort in knowing that you gave him the best possible care and he was well loved.
 
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