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Lorcan

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All those things I'd forgotten come along with keeping guinea pigs, and in trying to avoid a health scare freakout on my own part (and actually doing quite well with it all things considered), I've been thinking about their hay. Because good grief will Camowen and Bann eat so much of it.

I first had guinea pigs half a lifetime ago, back when I used to pride myself on "making the hay last". Cringe. Then Comet and Blitzen arrived and they'd eat whatever hay you put anywhere near them. No fussiness, just "gimme gimme gimme". They mostly got the Nature's Own 5 a Day hay. It came in 1kg bags I could stack neatly into the spare cupboards. There was also Burgess hay chucked into the mix occasionally.

The current dilemma is two-fold. I no longer have the space to be storing plastic bags of hay no matter the size. I'm also wary of plastic bags on hay in general, not because of the pigs themselves, but this past couple of years I've been trying to avoid plastic packaging on a few things - kitchen roll, toilet roll, that kind of thing. Plastic bottles bother me less because those can go into the recycling but plastic hay wrapping, not so much. I also don't drive, so farm hay isn't really an option - Rochdale's hardly farming country.

The second dilemma is, though they'll eat all the hay I give, they are fussy. They don't appreciate the soft hay very much 🤷‍♂️.

They've been through roughly 6/7kg of hay in 3 weeks (and they do eat the vast majority of it, I should point out). They arrived with a mostly full bag of Nature's Own meadow hay and a barely used box of timothy hay. I've had a couple of different hays in since - 1kg of Burgess Feeding Hay and a small bag of Small Pet Select's 3rd cut timothy. They have half of the 7kg box remaining, that's it. And that's the hay they really, really want. It's not even soft hay, it's...I want to say proper stalky timothy, you know what I mean? It's definitely not meadow hay and meadow and timothy are the only two hays this particular company sells. It's also £23 for a 7kg box, which is a fair amount at once. It might be less cost effective in the long run but smaller boxes more often is easier to budget, and they only sell 7kg boxes.

So, here I am, very long post later. If you'd told me I'd be on the lookout for a box of stalky-as-possible timothy hay 3 weeks ago, I'd've laughed at you. Now I've got a box on order from elsewhere and thinking either they'll like it, which is great, or they'll still demand the first box. At which point I mix the two together and hope they won't yell at me too much for it.
 
Haybox timothy is super stalky and coarse, my pigs love it- we now go through 25kg of Haybox every 3 weeks, 2 boxes coarse spiky timothy, 2 meadow hay, 1 soft timothy which they are less fussed about but in paper bags and confined spaces its less of an eye risk!
But they mostly just eat that and veg, a 1.5kg bag of pellets lasts 9 pigs for over a month, once the green spiky good stuff goes in its pellets be damned- they are complete Haybox addicts :)
 
once the green spiky good stuff goes in its pellets be damned

I give them a handful of hay when they're shrieking at me and it's not mealtime. And they shut up and eat it every time because even a guinea pig can't yell with his mouth full. I ended up ordering from Happy Hay Co, and if it doesn't work out, Haybox is my next step. Their current stuff isn't green as such, closer to yellow - but I hate saying that because I feel I'm making it out to be bad hay and it clearly isn't, not if they're eating it like they'll never get eating hay again lol.

I never knew hay junkies existed before.
 
In fact seeing as your cage is so big, have you thought about partioning off an area with extra grids or correx for a hayroom?

My main herd have a 3x2 hayroom, I kid myself it keeps the hay and disposable bedding off the fleece but it doesnt of course lol :)

I have disposable paper bedding and hay on top of newspaper in the dedicated hayroom area then fleecy stuff in the rest of the cage, then that dedicated hayroom just gets filled with huge piles of hay twice a day, I do half meadow hay for Luna who likes to sleep there in a soft hay nest, then half super spiky green Haybox timothy for the eating :)
 
Some piggies can be selective ! I have two ! I generally use haybox and they are very quick to deliver - they also offer free selection boxes of different varieties to try - I also use Natures Own ( natures own pets Ltd) and if you buy direct from them , the hay comes in recycled compostable bags. Both companies do a lot of forage products, wicker tunnels, toys etc. Good luck 🥰
 
If the fleece is clean and available I tend to put it at the far end of the cage, with the beds and the snugglesafes on it. Doesn't keep everything off it but it's better than nothing. Then the food (hay, veg, pellets when I remember to give them) goes at the edge of the cage nearest the door. Even when I have all paper bedding in I still keep the food at the near end. I could partition it off but with only having access to 3 sides of the cage I feel like it'd hamper my ability to fully clean it out?
 
If the fleece is clean and available I tend to put it at the far end of the cage, with the beds and the snugglesafes on it. Doesn't keep everything off it but it's better than nothing. Then the food (hay, veg, pellets when I remember to give them) goes at the edge of the cage nearest the door. Even when I have all paper bedding in I still keep the food at the near end. I could partition it off but with only having access to 3 sides of the cage I feel like it'd hamper my ability to fully clean it out?
Yes our hay room is at the back going into an alcove and unless we climb in the cage completely inaccessible lol! It gets cleaned twice weekly when the pigs have playpen time in the other room and then as we have 4 or 5 layers of newspaper underneath the small pet select paper bedding and hay we just roll that up like a poopy wet hay burrito to take it out, then give the correx a wipe. It stays cleaner looking and smelling than the fleece though due to the depth of paper bedding and floor hay :)
 
I'm stuck without playpen time til the weather warms up, it's far too cold to bring them downstairs even with the heating on. I don't care if the thermostat says it's 20C, because it's not lol. Too many drafts. Come April/May (or if I ever get those windows and the front door fixed, but chance'll be a fine thing), I'm hoping to get a pen set up - or even a separate cage to move them to for a few months, if it gets as warm as I suspect it will with south facing windows. I get into the cage for cleaning occasionally but it's awkward when you've got pigs who know exactly where you're about to put your hands and immediately run to get in the way (yes Bann, I mean you).
 
We love hay box and Natures Own too. I have Natures Own bags (5 at a time) stored on top of the wardrobe. Now it's in compostable bags I worry they will start disintegrating before we use them, there's enough hay over the bedroom floor as it is. I seem to drop hay where ever I go, I'm always covered in it!
 
We use Nature's Own Green Hay the piggies love it. As mentioned elsewhere it is now in compostable bags. We also buy bales of hay from an equestrian supplier in Heywood, you can keep bales outdoors in a wheelie bin if you have a spare one.

We use potting trays like the one below in the cages to contain the hay a little. They are quite large, our trio fit easily into one. We line them with newspaper and then just fill with hay. You can get these trays much cheaper from a garden centre.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tierra-Gar...ng+trays+for+greenhouse&qid=1645115913&sr=8-5
 
So, with the Happy Hay Co box arriving yesterday with 5 samplers in it, and my having now given them all 5, I have an update. In order of least to most favourite -

5. Meadow hay (no surprise there, tbh)
4. Crau hay (no bad thing, they shouldn't get it regularly anyway and it's very expensive)
3. Rye grass hay (although they did eat it after a while)
2. Orchard hay
1. Oat hay

Again, they won't be getting anything rather than timothy on a regular basis but man, they ate that sampler faster than I've seen them eating anything other than their favourite veggies before. I do feel very lucky to have good hay eaters.

Watching Bann get half the water in the bottle onto the cage floor, right in front of me? Yeah not so lucky there :doh: lol
 
We’ve been using Happy Hay for a while and are liking it so far. Mine hated the Timothy but they love the meadow. I didn’t order Timothy to be fair, they sent a mislabelled box but their customer service was brilliant and they sorted it.
 
I completely understand your hay worries @Lorcan, all of mine are absolute fusspots. Flubs my heart pig needs about 5 types of hay in his cage at all times to ensure he eats just about enough... Currently the staples are Hay and Straw's Ings, Healthy Herby's Orchard, and Haybox's Timothy :mal: Three different vendors, it's not even funny!

Happy to post you an envelope stuffed with Haybox Timothy to try if your lads start being daft with the perfectly lovely stuff you've already got for them. There really is nowt so queer as pigs :eek:
 
I completely understand your hay worries @Lorcan, all of mine are absolute fusspots. Flubs my heart pig needs about 5 types of hay in his cage at all times to ensure he eats just about enough... Currently the staples are Hay and Straw's Ings, Healthy Herby's Orchard, and Haybox's Timothy :mal: Three different vendors, it's not even funny!

Happy to post you an envelope stuffed with Haybox Timothy to try if your lads start being daft with the perfectly lovely stuff you've already got for them. There really is nowt so queer as pigs :eek:

Thank you! Although with a bit of luck I'll never have to take you up on that offer - maybe I should stop though, before I jinx myself and they decide they hate it 2/5 of the way through it? :))
 
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