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Help Please.. Uti Or Something Else?

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Hi there, I have just cleaned out my guinea pigs' enclosure and noticed this on the fleece blanket. I am assuming it's blood (although you can see plum tomato seeds on the right hand side as they had tomatoes and red peppers for tea). There was 2 other similar patches on the fleece. I have looked at both piggies and Iris' underside looks like this, so I am assuming it is coming from her. I have made her wee on a puppy pad and the wee seemed ok. There was no squeaking when she urinated. I guess vets tomorrow?

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Hi! I would recommend to have your girl vet checked tomorrow in case it is a UTI or a stone, especially if you see more patches like the one on the left. The ones on the right are tomato dribble (they are a different shade, too), but not the one on the left.
 
Hi! I would recommend to have your boy vet checked tomorrow in case it is a UTI or a stone, especially if you see more patches like the one on the left. The ones on the right are tomato dribble (they are a different shade, too), but not the one on the left.

Ok thanks Wiebke - I'll get her looked at tomorrow.
 
Hi! I would recommend to have your girl vet checked tomorrow in case it is a UTI or a stone, especially if you see more patches like the one on the left. The ones on the right are tomato dribble (they are a different shade, too), but not the one on the left.

Good morning Wiebke,

There was more blood on her clean fleece overnight. Iris has seen the vet this morning and has been prescribed 0.3mls of Baytril twice daily. Obviously I'll be administering a probiotic 2 hours after. The vet asked if she was passing normal pellets which I confirmed she was and he said that this was good news. He also felt her lower abdomen and couldn't feel anything. I asked if he thought it was a UTI. He said either that or a stone but either way the treatment would be the same i.e. antibiotics. Thank you again for your help.
 
Good morning Wiebke,

There was more blood on her clean fleece overnight. Iris has seen the vet this morning and has been prescribed 0.3mls of Baytril twice daily. Obviously I'll be administering a probiotic 2 hours after. The vet asked if she was passing normal pellets which I confirmed she was and he said that this was good news. He also felt her lower abdomen and couldn't feel anything. I asked if he thought it was a UTI. He said either that or a stone but either way the treatment would be the same i.e. antibiotics. Thank you again for your help.

Vets will always treat for UTI first and foremost as that is the most common issue. Only if there is no improvement after a second course, if there is a deterioration while on antibiotics or problems return soon after will your vet check first for presence of a stone (not quite likely if the bladder is soft to the feel) and then consider cystitis or an interstitial cystitis (IC) - an inflammation of the bladder walls which does not respond to antibiotics and is not curable at this time, only manageable. However, IC does not cause bladder stones and eventually goes away on its own. It can only be diagnosed by eliminating all th other urinary tract issues that cause the same symptoms. IC has beome more frequent over the last decade.

All the best! By the sound if it, it is still on the mild side as you have caught it early on.
 
Vets will always treat for UTI first and foremost as that is the most common issue. Only if there is no improvement after a second course, if there is a deterioration while on antibiotics or problems return soon after will your vet check first for presence of a stone (not quite likely if the bladder is soft to the feel) and then consider cystitis or an interstitial cystitis (IC) - an inflammation of the bladder walls which does not respond to antibiotics and is not curable at this time, only manageable. However, IC does not cause bladder stones and eventually goes away on its own. It can only be diagnosed by eliminating all th other urinary tract issues that cause the same symptoms. IC has beome more frequent over the last decade.

All the best! By the sound if it, it is still on the mild side as you have caught it early on.

Thank you for the information. The vet said that because her poo is normal it will be either a bladder or urethra problem. She has 5 days worth of antibiotics so if after the 5 days the problem hasn't cleared up a UTI then I assume from what you are saying they may give her a second course of antibiotics? And then if no change, they will then start to look into whether a stone is present? Just out of curiosity, what have I done wrong for her to get this? :no:
 
Although there are no signs of blood on the fleece to the degree there was before, Iris still has blood around her genitals and having sat her in a laundry basket with a puppy pad, there were spots of blood on the pad. She has been on the baytril now for 3 days. I have been administering a probiotic twice a day (much to her disgust) but the poo she did whilst in the basket was very soft - not formed as a pellet which I guessed would be the case as she had a small amount of runny/soft poo around her bum which I noticed before putting her in the basket. She isn't squeaking while weeing but was sat hunched up for some of the time whilst she was in the basket. If not, she was climbing up the basket trying to escape! Getting her to a vet is going to be extremely tricky because of the snow - but I am really worried about her.
 
Vets will always treat for UTI first and foremost as that is the most common issue. Only if there is no improvement after a second course, if there is a deterioration while on antibiotics or problems return soon after will your vet check first for presence of a stone (not quite likely if the bladder is soft to the feel) and then consider cystitis or an interstitial cystitis (IC) - an inflammation of the bladder walls which does not respond to antibiotics and is not curable at this time, only manageable. However, IC does not cause bladder stones and eventually goes away on its own. It can only be diagnosed by eliminating all th other urinary tract issues that cause the same symptoms. IC has beome more frequent over the last decade.

All the best! By the sound if it, it is still on the mild side as you have caught it early on.

Good evening Wiebke. I thought I would give you an update on Iris...

I took her to my other vet (once the snow had cleared) which is 60-70 miles away in Reading but they are much more Cavy savvy than my normal vets. Iris had an x-ray which showed no signs of a stone. Her Baytril was increased to 0.45mls twice a day for ten days (the vet agreed with me than 5 days was not enough!) and was also prescribed a pain killer. Her antibiotics finished on Thursday and I have not noticed any more blood around her genitals (touch wood!). However, on Wednesday I had to take my boar to Reading as he too was passing blood and raising his back end when pooing. Once again an x-ray ruled out stones and the vet was a bit baffled as to why they are both experiencing the same symptoms - she thinks it could be stress related? Wallace was not prescribed any antibiotics or painkillers but they both are now on Catease for 2 weeks. Is it common for two pigs to encounter these symptoms at the same time. I know UTIs can be caused by sitting in wet bedding but I wash their fleece and replace their hay every other day - is this not enough or am I doing something else wrong? I will try filtering their water as we do live in a hard water area and my vet did suggest this. Any other thoughts please? I am at my wits end feeling guilty, stressed and upset - my pets are my world and I would never do anything to make them poorly but I just can't seem to get anything right but rehoming them would break my heart.
 
Good evening Wiebke. I thought I would give you an update on Iris...

I took her to my other vet (once the snow had cleared) which is 60-70 miles away in Reading but they are much more Cavy savvy than my normal vets. Iris had an x-ray which showed no signs of a stone. Her Baytril was increased to 0.45mls twice a day for ten days (the vet agreed with me than 5 days was not enough!) and was also prescribed a pain killer. Her antibiotics finished on Thursday and I have not noticed any more blood around her genitals (touch wood!). However, on Wednesday I had to take my boar to Reading as he too was passing blood and raising his back end when pooing. Once again an x-ray ruled out stones and the vet was a bit baffled as to why they are both experiencing the same symptoms - she thinks it could be stress related? Wallace was not prescribed any antibiotics or painkillers but they both are now on Catease for 2 weeks. Is it common for two pigs to encounter these symptoms at the same time. I know UTIs can be caused by sitting in wet bedding but I wash their fleece and replace their hay every other day - is this not enough or am I doing something else wrong? I will try filtering their water as we do live in a hard water area and my vet did suggest this. Any other thoughts please? I am at my wits end feeling guilty, stressed and upset - my pets are my world and I would never do anything to make them poorly but I just can't seem to get anything right but rehoming them would break my heart.

Hi! Poor you!

UTIs are generally caused by faecal bacteria getting into the urinary tract. Sudden swings in temperature and too early lawn trips can help as triggers.
I have noticed with piggies of mine and some other forum members that the infection can occasionally be transmitted to others (but never all in a group), mostly likely when they scent mark and drag their bottoms along the floor - and that is simply behaviour that you cannot stop or prevent.

Take a deep breath. Your new vets sound very competent. No stones is always good news; it means that whatever they have got may be a pain in the neck, but you are not going to face potential ops or anything. ;)

I would recommend to wash any bedding at 60 C and to change it more frequently (daily or every second day - I know that that is a pain!) That is what I have done in your situation, and it has usually done the trick with keeping it from spreading.
I would also recommend to make sure that temperatures are as stable as possible where your piggies are.

Please don't be upset; if you wish to, give your piggies a booster course of extra vitamin C for 2-3 weeks to strengthen their immune system. In hard water areas it is always best to filter the water and check your pellet brand/amount that you feed before you consider your veg.
Here are our diet tips for guinea pigs with chronic urinary tract issues: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diet

If the infection persists or returns, then you and your vets may be looking at interstitial cystitis (IC), an inflammation of the bladder walls, which has become a lot more common over the course of the last decade and which currently can only manage but not heal (it will eventually go away on its own). At the moment, IC is a default diagnosis after all other issues, like stones or UTI have been excluded.
Your vets have already excluded the stone/sludge angle and are addressing the cystitis angle with the metacam, which is not only a painkiller, but also an anti-inflammatory, so they are well ahead in the game. ;)

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@Wiebke

Wow! That's really helpful thanks! I suppose the sudden swings in temperature could be an issue - although there is no central heating in our living room where the piggies live, with the cold snap I guess we may have been using the wood burner more often. In fact, Wallace was treated on Monday with Nizoral shampoo for dandruff which again I understand can be caused by heating? Obviously they haven't been out on the grass BUT I have picked them some grass on several occasions recently which I thoroughly wash under the tap first (which I do with all my greens and veggies).

According to my other half, our washing machine is set to 60 degrees and like I say, I wash their fleece every other day.

I have this Vitamin C in my piggies' medicine cupboard... Buy Revitalise Health+ Chewable Vitamin C: 90 Tablets at Home Bargains

Will this be ok?

I'll definitely invest in a water filter so hopefully that will help.

I have always fed Burgess Excel pellets and tend to fill their bowl each day - I did try measuring it out but Iris started losing weight and I don't think she was eating it as much as she couldn't see it so easily in the bottom of the bowl!

Wallace has not been prescribed the Meloxaid or Baytril just the Catease for now. I'll get them both out tomorrow and put them on a white towel to see if anything shows in their wee or to see if they are still raising their back ends when pooing. They don't seem to do this when they wee and I haven't noticed either of them squeaking either.

I do feel much better now I have taken them to my Reading vets - the vet there is lovely and they even re-jiggled their schedule so that they could fit me in last Wednesday!
 
@Wiebke

Wow! That's really helpful thanks! I suppose the sudden swings in temperature could be an issue - although there is no central heating in our living room where the piggies live, with the cold snap I guess we may have been using the wood burner more often. In fact, Wallace was treated on Monday with Nizoral shampoo for dandruff which again I understand can be caused by heating? Obviously they haven't been out on the grass BUT I have picked them some grass on several occasions recently which I thoroughly wash under the tap first (which I do with all my greens and veggies).

According to my other half, our washing machine is set to 60 degrees and like I say, I wash their fleece every other day.

I have this Vitamin C in my piggies' medicine cupboard... Buy Revitalise Health+ Chewable Vitamin C: 90 Tablets at Home Bargains

Will this be ok?

I'll definitely invest in a water filter so hopefully that will help.

I have always fed Burgess Excel pellets and tend to fill their bowl each day - I did try measuring it out but Iris started losing weight and I don't think she was eating it as much as she couldn't see it so easily in the bottom of the bowl!

Wallace has not been prescribed the Meloxaid or Baytril just the Catease for now. I'll get them both out tomorrow and put them on a white towel to see if anything shows in their wee or to see if they are still raising their back ends when pooing. They don't seem to do this when they wee and I haven't noticed either of them squeaking either.

I do feel much better now I have taken them to my Reading vets - the vet there is lovely and they even re-jiggled their schedule so that they could fit me in last Wednesday!

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