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I found Nixie passed away at breakfast this morning. I don't understand. It's not even three weeks since her mum died, but she was doing so well. Even with illness in the family I'd been keeping an eye on her and ticking off my care checklist everyday. She'd been bright and eating and she wasn't even two yet.

I'm going to get Harry checked at the vet asap, throw literally everything away and start again. What else can I do? I don't get it
 
I'm so sorry for your loss. It's devastating when one toddles off to the Rainbow Bridge and then another follows soon after. Maybe there was something genetic going on? or she missed her Mum and needed to be with her? Sometimes these things just happen. Its very sad. Sending hugs your way.:hug::hug::hug::hug:
 
I found Nixie passed away at breakfast this morning. I don't understand. It's not even three weeks since her mum died, but she was doing so well. Even with illness in the family I'd been keeping an eye on her and ticking off my care checklist everyday. She'd been bright and eating and she wasn't even two yet.

I'm going to get Harry checked at the vet asap, throw literally everything away and start again. What else can I do? I don't get it

BIG HUGS

The death of a much loved companion can lower the immune system and make a piggy (or a human) with underlying health issues or genetic defects more vulnerable. It is thankfully not too common but it does happen every now and then.

Nothing you can do anything about, sadly, and not your fault in any way. Just two or three things out of your control coming together - including in her case a likely hidden genetic time bomb that has gone off.

But since we are wired to reflect everything back on ourselves and our care, it can really throw us and our self-conscience and leave you shaking and questioning yourself. The first only time can cure but the second you can learn to put into more of a perspective and to try your best to unload yourself from a burden that is not of your own making. Intensive soul-searching is the normal reaction in this kind of situation to help you make sense of it. You will be more jittery for a while; that is also perfectly normal when you cannot brace and even worse, when multiple deaths you cannot brace for happen in very short order. I should know... :(

Try to take consolation that they are together at the Bridge now. But please don't seek the fault within yourself and the care you are providing. All you can do with piggies who have drawn a short straw in the genetic lottery is to bless every day you have/have had with them and the knowledge that you have done your best to make it a good one. Guinea pigs don't measure their lives in how long they live but in happy todays. As long as you give your piggies those, you have not failed them in any way as far as they are concerned.

Try to be kind to yourself and give yourself time to settle down and to grieve. It does help me to grieve for piggies having died close together as a 'package', especially when they are from the same group or age group.
I would not expect your vet to find anything obviously wrong with Harry and would not necessarily expect him to leave as well but if an examination can help to allay your fears somewhat, then please do it and get the same message as mine from another side as well.

PS: I have lost two young piggies of comparable age to sudden acute heart failure or a suspected heart attack right out of the blue. Nothing you can do about when that happens. They were both totally healthy and normal; just living with an internal ticker that could go off any time - and it eventually did without any warning. :(
 
Thank you everyone. I guess I knew in the back of my mind that if mother had a genetic issue daughter likely would too, it's just so close together it's hard to wrap my head around.

Trying to decide what to do with Harry now. I can't imagine giving him up but I've really lost my confidence. And it's going to sound dreadful to any rescue that I've lost two young pigs in just over a fortnight, would anyone trust me to re-home another?
 
I’m so sorry for your losses.

Yes, they absolutely would trust you. Any reputable rescue will understand the impact of potential genetic conditions and you are not to blame in any way, their passing is not due to anything you have or have not done. You do not need to doubt yourself as an owner.

Sending you huge hugs
 
Thank you everyone. I guess I knew in the back of my mind that if mother had a genetic issue daughter likely would too, it's just so close together it's hard to wrap my head around.

Trying to decide what to do with Harry now. I can't imagine giving him up but I've really lost my confidence. And it's going to sound dreadful to any rescue that I've lost two young pigs in just over a fortnight, would anyone trust me to re-home another?

Good standard rescues only know too well the impact that compromised genetics have on piggies and that any good care can only do so much in that kind of setting and in closely bonded piggies following each other to the Bridge.
They are regularly faced with large intakes from uncontrolled breeding situations ('hoarding'), often caused by a mis-sexed starter pair. It is fine if there is no bad gene in play but as soon as their is just a single bad gene, virtually every piggy from generation 3 or 4 is inheriting the faulty gene not just from one but both parents. The results can be truly dire and heart-breaking. They understand even better than you that good care can do only so much. :(

If you are looking for an unwanted/bereaved sow or bonded sow pair with a pet shop background rather than a breeder background that should hopefully avoid that particular road bump. ;)

But please give yourself time. See how Harry is coping on his own. You have about a month's leeway if he is coping. That will hopefully get you through the roughest bit.
You will find this link here and the further story links in the guide helpful: Looking After a Bereaved Guinea Pig

How to spot when Harry starts needing new company: Single Guinea Pigs - Challenges and Responsibilities

For yourself and for the trauma/guilt part of your grieving: Human Bereavement: Grieving, Processing and Support Links for Guinea Pig Owners and Their Children


PS: My Telyn died just days after her 2nd birthday from sudden acute heart failure in July 2011, like virtually all the rescue born babies of her generation from an intake of ca. 45 pregnant sows from a backyard breeder in Northeast England. You could spot the babies who all sported a distinctive look that must have come from their compromised breeding boar dad - unfortunately, he also passed on something else. :(
It was a case that actually made it to court and ended with a conviction since it was literally hundreds of small pets from rabbits to guinea pigs, degus, chinchillas etc. to hamsters nesting in their own never cleaned out excrement. The local RSPCA and guinea pig rescues were hopelessly overwhelmed.

I really struggled with Telyn's sudden death. She was such a friendly piggy, as good-natured as her mother and promising to follow in her steps as one of the respected group leaders. Telyn is the only piggy I had a real physical craving to touch and hold again. Thankfully, just three months later my surprise baby Tegan 'Little Beauty' was born - Tegan was Telyn's baby name before her nickname stuck. She was nothing like Telyn but she was a baby I could hold and who took me on her own wild ride of a life journey.
However, Telyn's mother Taffy lived until 2014 to an estimated age of 6 years despite being severely overbred and her spine still not having any flesh on it for a finger's two months after giving birth to her last lot of four pups so Telyn's early loss was certainly not caused by bad care even though it was the second heart failure just a year after the first shock of losing Ffion totally out of the blue. Telyn and Taffy were among my first adoptees in 2009 when I finally was able to start my life-long dream of my Tribe group adventure. :(

My current Blodyn 'Flower' very much resembles my Telyn 'Harp' (for her loud voice and truly ear-splitting wheek); she brings me back some precious memories. The little Cornish family was coming along at the right time for me on so many different levels; she is the only female baby in that group. I see it as the blessed continuation of a journey that has started so many years ago. Some things are just meant to be... and there things out there waiting meant to be for you if you are willing to wait and open-minded.

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Please give yourself time and space to get over the worst of it. You have a great capability to love and that love will find its own way if you let it. Grief is the other side of love but there is a hidden strength and a benefit in the grief, as much as it is in the love as long as you trust in yourself to bear the force of your sorrow and to come out again on the other side. What looks like a bottomless abyss right now is bridged and can be crossed. The inner strength and insights you gain from that crossing will stand you in good stead in your future life.

I hope that helps you? Please don't rush and don't force anything right now that you may come to rue.
 
I’m so sorry for this sudden loss. It’s heartbreaking for you but please be assured that any rescue would totally understand that you have no control over genetic issues or closely bonded piggies following each other to the Rainbow Bridge. It’s part of our human make up to immediately question what we have done or not done but rest assured it’s nothing you’ve done. Huge hugs to you.
 
I am so very sorry that you lost Nixie so suddenly.
It’s such a shock.
Be gentle with yourself as you grieve.
Holding you in my heart ♥️
 
Sorry for your losses. You did everything you could for your piggies, and I’m sorry it wasn’t a better outcome. Sleep tight little ones x
 
I am so sorry you have lost Nixie, (and her Mum) sending big hugs. It really knocks your confidence but please never think it’s anything related to your care, you are a marvellous caring owner :hug:Both girls will have known just how much you loved them x

Sleep tight little ladies 🌈
 
Thank you everyone, I've really appreciated all your kind words. It still doesn't feel quite real yet.

I couldn't reply sooner as it was looking more and more like I'd have to return Harry to the rescue we got our trio from, and I was heartbroken. I'm very grateful to my husband for agreeing to continue the piggy cycle despite the trauma of the past few weeks 🥰 (Not like he had the deciding vote or anything, just that we're a partnership running a household together and it needed to be something we both agreed to.)

We don't have any recommended rescues nearby (closest is probably TEAS, easily 90mins away) so I am going to start looking at other options tonight. It's a bit soon for me but Harry is so subdued; he must be reeling even more than we are. But I'm so happy he's staying 😊
 
Thank you everyone, I've really appreciated all your kind words. It still doesn't feel quite real yet.

I couldn't reply sooner as it was looking more and more like I'd have to return Harry to the rescue we got our trio from, and I was heartbroken. I'm very grateful to my husband for agreeing to continue the piggy cycle despite the trauma of the past few weeks 🥰 (Not like he had the deciding vote or anything, just that we're a partnership running a household together and it needed to be something we both agreed to.)

We don't have any recommended rescues nearby (closest is probably TEAS, easily 90mins away) so I am going to start looking at other options tonight. It's a bit soon for me but Harry is so subdued; he must be reeling even more than we are. But I'm so happy he's staying 😊

Hi

HUGS

It is still only a few days yet, so give yourself time. Eventually, it will sink in. When that happens, give yourself time and be kind with yourself and give yourself space to let your emotions out when they come.

I have adopted over much larger distances over the years and would consider 90 minutes' drive 'local'. It very much depends what is in rescue available for adoption at any given time - not every rescue has suitable companionship available; especially when you are looking at sows and not at boar company. The best way forward is to contact any rescue within your reach and take it from there. I have usually started with the one with more than one potential candidate or with the best match on paper - although these can easily not work out when the piggies come face to face... At least with rescues you have the option to return an adoptee that is not working out.

Rescues (Adoption and Dating), Shops, Breeders or Online? - What to consider when getting guinea pigs
 
Hi

HUGS

It is still only a few days yet, so give yourself time. Eventually, it will sink in. When that happens, give yourself time and be kind with yourself and give yourself space to let your emotions out when they come.

I have adopted over much larger distances over the years and would consider 90 minutes' drive 'local'. It very much depends what is in rescue available for adoption at any given time - not every rescue has suitable companionship available; especially when you are looking at sows and not at boar company. The best way forward is to contact any rescue within your reach and take it from there. I have usually started with the one with more than one potential candidate or with the best match on paper - although these can easily not work out when the piggies come face to face... At least with rescues you have the option to return an adoptee that is not working out.

Rescues (Adoption and Dating), Shops, Breeders or Online? - What to consider when getting guinea pigs

If it was just me in the car I would be more than happy to make a 3-4hr round trip (maybe more) - the small human, not so much :))

Rescues are far and away my first choice though, not least because Harry would be able to choose his new life partners himself (hopefully). Harry is clearly sad but still eating well and yelling at me every time he hears the veg trays in the fridge move so there's some wiggle room yet, at least. I'll just need to make a judgement call weighing up what's ideal and what's practical.

TGPF really does have a resource for every situation - I'm once again very grateful to have access to all of this. I've become a much better guinea pig owner thanks to this forum.
 
If it was just me in the car I would be more than happy to make a 3-4hr round trip (maybe more) - the small human, not so much :))

Rescues are far and away my first choice though, not least because Harry would be able to choose his new life partners himself (hopefully). Harry is clearly sad but still eating well and yelling at me every time he hears the veg trays in the fridge move so there's some wiggle room yet, at least. I'll just need to make a judgement call weighing up what's ideal and what's practical.

TGPF really does have a resource for every situation - I'm once again very grateful to have access to all of this. I've become a much better guinea pig owner thanks to this forum.

HUGS

We can only provide the resources; it is in each case the practicalities and availabilities that inform your actual decisions. Rescue access varies massively. There is no right or wrong as long as you do your best to work things out for Harry in your individual situation.
Our advice is pro-rescue but I have tried to give as fair and clear-eyed a picture as possible of the various challenges and pitfalls with every source you can get piggies from so you can make your own choices with open eyes and know what to look out for.

Welfare doesn't mean that only the very best is acceptable. Welfare means that we try to make the best of our individual options and personal limitations to get as far as we can. It doesn't make you a worse owner. After 50 years of having piggies in my life I can take the the long view - you can always only do your best at any given time. My childhood piggies were not at all unhappy and had a good life for their time, long before rescues were actually taking in and rehoming piggies and while we knew so very little compared to today. Future generations will think differently again.

Give yourself the time to ask and look around but give both of you time to grieve and to clear your head. Harry is grieving himself - guinea pigs do not feel any less deeply than us - but he has quite obviously not lost his zest for life. He will hold for as long as needed. :)
 
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