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Ic Diet Tips And Advice?

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I have two sows one is 1 year and 10 months and the other has just turned 2 years old, both have on and off blood in their urine, both have had urine cultures which revealed lots of blood but no bacteria and both have had ultrasounds which showed nothing abnormal, both have also been on antibiotics which didn't help them, so we believe they have interstitial cystitis.

Since these problems first started 1 year ago I've been making dietary changes along the way, not just for the IC pigs but for all my pigs, it has benefited everybody so I think I'm doing a good job, I barely ever see any calcium deposits whereas before I saw them all the time so I'm quite happy with that. However I still see blood from them both around once per week, Tizzie's blood is more pink tinted and Willow is very thick bright red typically, so this makes me think there are still changes to be made.

I recently bought Cystease but I haven't started giving it to them yet, I do plan to, on their bad days they can be in a lot of pain with squeaky pees and on these days I give them Loxicom 0.2ml to help with the pain and inflammation, my vet said this is okay, once every 1-2 weeks they will get one dose of this and that's usually all that's needed to fix the pain and bleeding and it's gone by the next day.

They're fed Oxbow adult pellets 1/8 cup per pig, Oxbow timothy hay, 1 Oxbow urinary support and 1 Oxbow vitamin C tablet. For veggies they get only veggies that are from the low calcium list such as red/green leaf lettuce (2 large leaves each), cucumber (1 inch slice each), celery (quarter stick each), green beans (2 beans each), bell peppers (1/4 pepper each), carrot (1/2 inch each) and half of a small cherry tomato each. I've attached a photo of what they would typically get daily, the tray on the left is for 4 pigs and the one on the right is for 5 pigs, I like to put a little extra in as they live in a herd to make sure everyone gets their portion. Once a month they will also get fruit, in this photo there is strawberry, that was this months treat, I don't feed it very often, other times they can get watermelon but for fruit I also stick low down on the calcium list I've also found fresh grass and dandelion is a big trigger for them so I try to limit this as much as possible.

Does their diet look alright or should I change something? :)

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Their veggie trays look very similar to mine though mine get some kale as well. Another med you could ask your vet about is Cystophan. These were originally for cats but often used for piggies. They come in capsule form & at present I empty the powder into a small medicine jar & add one ml of water then syringe 0.5ml twice a day. I find it's best to mix the night before with warm water because they take a long time to dissolve. My boy has an infection off & on and I notice when his has the infection by the hair around his bottom feeling like it's got hair lacquer on it. Then it's off to the vets. He's only been on Cystophan for about 10 days so I'll give him another 2 weeks before testing for blood in his wee again x
 
It sounds like you are doing well in eliminating the excess calcium for them. One of mine had bladder issues too, and was on a similar diet. One other thing to consider is drinking water- some areas have more mineral content than others in their tap water. If you have an excess of minerals in the tap water, you could look into a reverse osmosis filter to remove most of it.
 
How often do you feed the carrot is it daily? if so I would only give it occasionally as a treat. I would also swap the lettuce for something like spring greens or even coriander. Lettuce tends to flare my IC pig's symptoms. If you feed spring greens they should only have a small slither. They can have a sprig or coriander each twice a day.
 
It sounds like you are doing well in eliminating the excess calcium for them. One of mine had bladder issues too, and was on a similar diet. One other thing to consider is drinking water- some areas have more mineral content than others in their tap water. If you have an excess of minerals in the tap water, you could look into a reverse osmosis filter to remove most of it.
Thank you! I'm trying my best to get their diet the best possible but as I still see little flare ups here and there I still think changes can be made and anything is helpful, I did forget to mention they do drink brita filtered water as well as my area does have hard water :)
 
How often do you feed the carrot is it daily? if so I would only give it occasionally as a treat. I would also swap the lettuce for something like spring greens or even coriander. Lettuce tends to flare my IC pig's symptoms. If you feed spring greens they should only have a small slither. They can have a sprig or coriander each twice a day.
Carrot is daily at the moment but I was thinking about removing that and also the tomato too as they're both high in sugars plus they had strawberry this week and yesterday they both had a flare up, so I think sugar is the culprit this time as they've had nothing high in calcium for a long time, the last couple of times fresh grass caused it, before that it was spring greens and before that kale did it, so they don't get spring greens either, I can try the coriander though! I'm a bit worried about removing lettuce as that's their favourite veggie and they aren't good drinkers so the lettuce provides more water for them, would they be okay without lettuce and just eating the others?
 
Is the veg in the dishes for a day or for a week ? If it is daily i'd cut the veg drasticly! ,,
A pigs digestive system need lots of fiber and rouage to keep the small intestine "working "!
Pigs will happily eat that much veg but by the time they have eaten it all they are to full for the all
Important Thimathy hay to wear down there molers.
My pigs get a 1/4 of red pepper daily for the vit c , plus dried food! And a small peice of carrot, and the occasional peice of turnip to work there incisors
And every other day they get bits of other veggies, but it would only be a 1/4 of what is in those dishes
 
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Carrot is daily at the moment but I was thinking about removing that and also the tomato too as they're both high in sugars plus they had strawberry this week and yesterday they both had a flare up, so I think sugar is the culprit this time as they've had nothing high in calcium for a long time, the last couple of times fresh grass caused it, before that it was spring greens and before that kale did it, so they don't get spring greens either, I can try the coriander though! I'm a bit worried about removing lettuce as that's their favourite veggie and they aren't good drinkers so the lettuce provides more water for them, would they be okay without lettuce and just eating the others?
Leave the lettuce for now then and see if removing the veg with sugars makes a difference. I agree with Gizzy though that the portions are very big.
 
If that's too much then that means I over feed my piggies too... I can't imagine giving my 4 a quarter of a pepper to share a day!

Your 4 pig tray looks about the same as mine, I think I feed slightly less or I just don't chop them up so fine :))

I'm very interested in low calcium feeding too, it's such a mine field. I thought celery was high calcium for some reason and haven't been feeding it much. D'oh!
 
i would think that is the correct amount for 9 piggies,it is recommended 50grams per pig of fresh veg,or 1 small tea cup for each piggie,ive 20 piggies so you can imagine my portion sizes !
Yeah that's what I thought, the guideline is 1 cup per piggy and I add an extra cup to make sure everyone gets enough so I also think this is a good amount for 9 pigs, perhaps people thought that it was the whole tray just for one pig lol!
 
Is the veg in the dishes for a day or for a week ? If it is daily i'd cut the veg drasticly! ,,
A pigs digestive system need lots of fiber and rouage to keep the small intestine "working "!
Pigs will happily eat that much veg but by the time they have eaten it all they are to full for the all
Important Thimathy hay to wear down there molers.
My pigs get a 1/4 of red pepper daily for the vit c , plus dried food! And a small peice of carrot, and the occasional peice of turnip to work there incisors
And every other day they get bits of other veggies, but it would only be a 1/4 of what is in those dishes
This is how much 9 Guinea Pigs eat in total, not one... I did say that in the post.
 
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