I'm ranting, sorry. [warning: I discuss animal neglect; may find it upsetting]

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My disclaimer is that I have discussed two accounts of treatable guinea pig neglect; one of which I was involved with alongside the mentioned rescue. Some people may find the level of neglect in the first case upsetting; I did which is why I'm ranting! grrrr

I'm going to rant here because I don't want to upset boyToy who, like me, is tired and run down from a week of train-studying and since he's currently quarantining a pig for me I don't want to give him a heart attack with my current train of thought.

I have a friend who works for a small yet old rescue in North Carolina. Every so often we rant about the silly things we've seen online to do with guinea pig care or animal care in general. We co-moderate a guinea pig community, so we're both exposed to the same amount of stupid on there at the same time and sometimes we need to vent to each other so we can be productive, "professional" and useful in the community.

Today mine was a Yahoo Q&A entry where someone said you should pick rabbits/guinea pigs to teach a child responsibility because they'd sell quicker when you wanted to get rid of them {:|

She began to tell me hers... people disgust me.

They have a network of fosterer's and adopters and people who just do transports ("piggie trains") from the house where the pig is to the fosterer's. She was called a few days ago by one of the collection ladies who was sobbing, hysterically saying that Rescuer had to find an emergency vet en-route to where the pig was going as soon as possible to stabilize the pig. The pig's mite infection was so bad that the vibrations from the car were making the pig seize and scream.

The pig died a week later, despite being on the most intensive course of Revolution that was still within safe limits.

And now I'm faced with that surge of injustice and anger at people who are jerks with their responsibility to their pets again. And that anger makes me want to reach out and pick out all the piggies in the world who are being neglected and give them somewhere better to live. It wants to protect them and snuggle them and then whack the owners with a mallet.

I once visited an idiot of a friend in North Carolina called R. He had two piggies and both had mites. I'd spent a month talking to him, advising him on what to get to treat the mite problem and telling him that the care his vet was proposing was... well... stupid. You don't put revolution on a pig to treat them for mites and then - the next day - wash it off with a shampoo! When I went to visit him, the mites had progressed to the point where one boy was seizing because the itch was so bad...

Susie_q came to my flat yesterday to drop off a piggie who needed a new home (this boy was a lucky, lucky boy in that his owners spoiled him! He's the sweetest thing!) and while we were talking I mentioned that I'd always liked the idea of running a rescue or fostering but that I was scared I'd walk in on a collection, punch the neglector and run away with the pigs. I mentioned that I don't think I'm diplomatic enough to deal with owners who neglect their pigs in a way that would promote the rescue. But in hindsight I think I'm wrong.

When I saw Dom' seizing from something which should have been cured months ago I remember feeling sudden lump in the back of my throat and I couldn't say anything. I gawked at the pig for a long time before saying... "you realise what he's doing?" and when R said "Oh, he's just scratching his back!" I felt sick rise up in my throat.

I remember talking in a slow, non-threatening way and saying very, very quietly "He is not scratching his back. That is a seizure. Guinea pigs are prey animals and do not flip onto their backs to scratch; they use their hind feet." and then I asked permission to cuddle him. I held him and held cool cloths to his hot, inflamed skin and encouraged them to take him to the vet again and that I would go with them...

The pig was treated and made a full recovery but, besides realising that I'm not as bad-ass as I once thought I was ;) I guess I learned a few things on my self-reflection. I'm an altruistic softie and this path is only going to lead to me getting my heart hurt over and over again when I take the step toward offering myself to a rescue as a guinea pig foster and open my bank to another leak ;).

I just had to get all of that off my chest. :(
 
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How awful. People should remember mites can kill! As soon as mites is suspected then treat accordingly. I understand about trying to be diplomatic, I feel shouting the odds doesn't help in all honesty. Educating people is the only way. If then they won't act then I act according to their reactions and will report if necessary or take the animal in myself to treat.
 
i think you made some very good points! and no it wasnt a rant it was an extended version of the truth:)x
Btw that was quite disgusting what happened to the poor piggy8... I'm glad you made sure something was done,i ish some people cared more:(.
 
Boris - I agree. What happened to both boys was disgusting but the first one who died, I can't imagine what pain his little body was going through. I feel so bad for the people involved who came to pull him from his situation. :(
 
:(yes it amazes you how easier he could have been treated and he didnt get that until it was to late,i dont understand what go's through peoples heads sometimes well done to your friend who rescued him x
 
It always makes me so angry when I come across animals that have been neglected through sheer callousness and ignorance.

Last year, when I was at the vets, there was this little lady, certainly not young, that was half bald from lice. She had been dumped on the doorstep of the local piggie rescue on a cold November morning!

I offered the local rescue lady who had brought her in that I would adopt her if she recovered, but unfortunately she died a few days later from the ravages of long term neglect. Why did her people have to wait for so long, if they didn't want too care for the poor piggie?
 
Aw Teadragon - what you did for you friend's pig was admirable. i think sometimes when we see neglect and it is a friend or someone we know personally, it can be much harder for us to deal with. It really does sound like it was a huge case of neglect *through* ignorance. (On his part and the vets. Shampoo? Really?) When we submerge ourselves in communities like this one, we tend to forget that the majority of people who are guinea pig owners do not know what we know - and I think it can sometime be a fault with us that we don't realise this fact, and therefore get angry when, as Louise said, we need to educate people and try our best. Ultimatly I think every rescue would much rather that pigs stayed with their owners who learnt more about how to properly take care of them, than take away every pig whose owners "just didn't know." :(

And that case of the pig in north carolina with the car - is truely shocking. I can understand people not understanding how pigs work or how dangerous mites can be, but leaving animals to suffer for extended periods of time like that is incomprehnesiable. Makes me want to go and snuggle my boys and girls and remind them how lucky they are.
 
For what it is worth Emma, you were those piggies saviour - whether or not the pigs survived. Without your advice, those piggies would have been far worse off. The fact that you did save one of those pigs is a credit to you.

You give fantastic advice - remember that in itself makes a big difference. I understand wanting to do more, and you'll know when the time is right to go further down the rescue route.

And remember we are all always here when you do need to rant and rave!
 
Thank you everyone for understanding.

I just had one of those moments when someone tells you a story and suddenly it triggers forms of neglect for you and then you think on the pigs - whose owners haven't wanted them but never neglected them until they were rehomed and you think "Why?!"

I agree that sometimes I have this habit of feeling "WHY DON'T YOU KNOW!" when people hit the piggie community I moderate: google is easy to use, many web pages reference guinea lynx - why haven't they found it. I think I forget that GL and other great care sites were linked to me directly when I was learning about piggie care and that it took years for me to learn what I know now and will take me years yet to become more and more experienced.

Perhaps I should walk around Glasgow with guinea pig care sites stapled to my face *cackles*
 
Aw, that poor little piggy.

I have to say I wouldn't know whether or not my guinea pigs had mites or not (although, maybe I would), I'm not at all clued up on guinea pig illnesses but I would definitely know if something wasn't right and take them to the vet straight away and ask for advice on here.

Unfortunately I even know a few animal lovers who always leave going to the vet as a last resort - if they're doing that, heaven knows what state some poor animals must be in with owners who don't really care at all. For me, I have always taken my animals to the vet immediately something isn't right - I can't stand to see any of my babies suffering.

Rant away to us anytime you want - that's what we are here for!
 
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I think the real tragedy for the two boys was that the vet failed to treat the mites properly in the first place - and it is not so easy for a lay person to question somebody who SHOULD know!

Well done, teadragon, for your efforts. It's so much more difficult when it's somebody one knows and likes!
 
I think the real tragedy for the two boys was that the vet failed to treat the mites properly in the first place - and it is not so easy for a lay person to question somebody who SHOULD know!

Well done, teadragon, for your efforts. It's so much more difficult when it's somebody one knows and likes!

I agree, the fault of my friend wasn't just his own ignorance and later stubbornness- it was fundamentally the fault of the vet who prescribed a very stupid treatment (suggesting daily baths while using a topical anti-parasitic) I believe the treatment she gave him was also Advantage which can cause brain damage in rabbits.

He was utterly devoted to his vet who he insisted to me that he owed a debt because she'd brought their cat back from the brink of death one day. He couldn't seem to understand that; while I have no doubt she is an awesomely responsive and effective cat vet, that doesn't mean she'll be an awesome guinea pig vet.

I don't want my (apparently new :P) rant to turn into vet bashing. I don't hate vets but I find a minority of vets who I encounter to be so unbelievably frustrating but that's on a personal level where one of my boys didn't get the treatment he needed because a vet told me there was nothing he could do; that there was no way he could take blood from him. When I later found a vet that could, I was livid at the other vet for what he'd done during that consultation and also what he'd told me about the hopelessness of the pigs prospects.

But, but, but, I don't want to be known as the forum member who's constantly mouthing off about vets and piggie care so I'll shush for now.
 
We've all had our experiences with vets...

Though I have to make an apology to the "cat&dog" vet in my centre - when I went back with Llewelyn, because I finally got prescribed septrin by one of the other vets, but on too low a dose for it too clear his stubborn cystitis, he looked it up and upped it to the dose recommended on the boards without a quibble! Miracles DO happen!
 
I have a special place in my heart for vets who will research into the problems you're having and listen and trust that you're not a raving lunatic :D
 
But it's only because of this forum that I've learnt that not all vets are trained in rodentology - so, because of threads like this, I have learned that I need to take special care when choosing where to take my girls if they should ever become ill (although I do have the name of someone in Edinburgh now should the need arise).

So, although you may feel that you are ranting, I'm actually learning from what you and other members are saying about the matter.
 
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