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well if it is, arguing and debating it will just feed any trolls.

People are unanimous on here that this piggie needs a new vet ASAP, and there's no point trying to speculate about what could have caused it

I wasn't speculating about anything :{
 
I wasn't speculating about anything :{
nooo not saying that, my cmment was to if it was a wind up- just that if someone comes online with the deliberate aim of winding people up, then everyone getting angry just gives them what they want and it just goes on and on..

the speculating bit was to the OP who wanted someone to advise on how to treat it!
 
I have never known a vet to dismiss a wound this severe. I'm not a vet and neither are the other forum members but this is the worst i have seen. A competent vet would know this is a BAD wound, if they cant treat it they would at least refer you to someone who knows more. Anyone who gives this guinea pig the all clear should NOT be allowed to treat animals at all.

During my animal health course i have learnt that there are quite often infections deep inside wounds that can cause serious health problems. Your vet should know this.

Guinea pigs can hide their illnesses quite well, you may think he is fine but i assure you he will be in alot of pain.

Also, i find it hard to believe this pig has had this for over a year. You only have to look at it to know that it is infected.
 
Even a laboratory test animal would not be allowed to reach this type of condition looking at the photo - the animal would have been euthanased a long time ago.

I can;t believe your vet(s) are prepared to sacrifice their vet registration by giving your piggie a clean bill of health in view of it;s current condition from the photo (unless when your piggie last saw a vet it was some time ago and the condition was not as serious)

Currently we are not aware of a vets in Ross who could deal with this situation in a cavy savvy manner (and we have spent the last few hours searching and contacting members)

So I may be a mug, but here is my final offer:

I will cancel my commitments for tomorrow and ring Simon Maddox to see if he is available tomorrow late pm in Northants. If so, I will drive up and pick up your piggie (and you) at about 2pm and return you to Ross on Wye after the consultation.

If Simon is not available, then another guinea pig vet Lance (one of the best) is available in Wales on wednesday next week. Again I will cancel my comitments and offer to take your piggie to Lance for a late afternoon surgery next wedensday. (After all, you say he has been like this for a year so a few extra days should not make any difference)

You pay the vets fees...I pay the petrol.

I will need you address/phone number etc by 11am tomorrow on my email:
[email protected] if you wish to avail yourself of this offer.

I don;t think this forum can do any more to help your piggie

The two vets quoted are the two best guinea pigs vets we know of in England/Wales that could help your piggie recover...hence why I am prepared to take you there.

Bumping this up, so the Original Poster doesn't miss the fabulous offer Pebbles made.
 
Just in case you missed it the first and second time.

Even a laboratory test animal would not be allowed to reach this type of condition looking at the photo - the animal would have been euthanased a long time ago.

I can;t believe your vet(s) are prepared to sacrifice their vet registration by giving your piggie a clean bill of health in view of it;s current condition from the photo (unless when your piggie last saw a vet it was some time ago and the condition was not as serious)

Currently we are not aware of a vets in Ross who could deal with this situation in a cavy savvy manner (and we have spent the last few hours searching and contacting members)

So I may be a mug, but here is my final offer:

I will cancel my commitments for tomorrow and ring Simon Maddox to see if he is available tomorrow late pm in Northants. If so, I will drive up and pick up your piggie (and you) at about 2pm and return you to Ross on Wye after the consultation.

If Simon is not available, then another guinea pig vet Lance (one of the best) is available in Wales on wednesday next week. Again I will cancel my comitments and offer to take your piggie to Lance for a late afternoon surgery next wedensday. (After all, you say he has been like this for a year so a few extra days should not make any difference)

You pay the vets fees...I pay the petrol.

I will need you address/phone number etc by 11am tomorrow on my email:
[email protected] if you wish to avail yourself of this offer.

I don;t think this forum can do any more to help your piggie

The two vets quoted are the two best guinea pigs vets we know of in England/Wales that could help your piggie recover...hence why I am prepared to take you there.
 
Even a laboratory test animal would not be allowed to reach this type of condition looking at the photo - the animal would have been euthanased a long time ago.

I can;t believe your vet(s) are prepared to sacrifice their vet registration by giving your piggie a clean bill of health in view of it;s current condition from the photo (unless when your piggie last saw a vet it was some time ago and the condition was not as serious)

Currently we are not aware of a vets in Ross who could deal with this situation in a cavy savvy manner (and we have spent the last few hours searching and contacting members)

So I may be a mug, but here is my final offer:

I will cancel my commitments for tomorrow and ring Simon Maddox to see if he is available tomorrow late pm in Northants. If so, I will drive up and pick up your piggie (and you) at about 2pm and return you to Ross on Wye after the consultation.

If Simon is not available, then another guinea pig vet Lance (one of the best) is available in Wales on wednesday next week. Again I will cancel my comitments and offer to take your piggie to Lance for a late afternoon surgery next wedensday. (After all, you say he has been like this for a year so a few extra days should not make any difference)

You pay the vets fees...I pay the petrol.

I will need you address/phone number etc by 11am tomorrow on my email:
[email protected] if you wish to avail yourself of this offer.

I don;t think this forum can do any more to help your piggie

The two vets quoted are the two best guinea pigs vets we know of in England/Wales that could help your piggie recover...hence why I am prepared to take you there.
thank you very much for your offer of help but i will sort a vet out myself tomorrow morning.
it is a nasty wound and i have been mislead into thinking that as he was eating and drinking he was ok i now know different he is my daughters world and i wouldnt do anything knowingly to harm him I'm not a nasty person and really cant believe all the negative comments. so next time i wont bother with a forum and ill just stick to talking to friends i know who dont judge me so quick!
 
thank you very much for your offer of help but i will sort a vet out myself tomorrow morning.
it is a nasty wound and i have been mislead into thinking that as he was eating and drinking he was ok i now know different he is my daughters world and i wouldnt do anything knowingly to harm him I'm not a nasty person and really cant believe all the negative comments. so next time i wont bother with a forum and ill just stick to talking to friends i know who dont judge me so quick!

~sigh~

The sad thing is, if you had not come on the forum you would have remained in the belief it was nothing to worry about...

Has his friend/girlfriend also got injuries like this?
 
~sigh~

The sad thing is, if you had not come on the forum you would have remained in the belief it was nothing to worry about...

Has his friend/girlfriend also got injuries like this?
he is on is own and i didnt think it was nothing to worry about that why i came on here.

i didnt want expert advise just friendly advise that you would give to youyr friends i now know better
 
Hi Karen,
please take pebble up on her offer to get your pig seen by Simon. It looks like a sore open wound that is very large and i think it will need extensive treatment by piggy savvy people. Pebble is extremely knowledgable and I trust her judgement about all things guinea. It's difficult to come on the forum and hear the negative responses that your picture has encouraged but remember that your guinea needs you to provide him with treatment that Will help clear his wound up so please stick around so we can hear how he is getting on and what he is diagnosed with. I volunteer at a guinea pig rescue near gloucester and if you felt you were unable to manage his condition i would be more than happy to take him on and nurse him back to health. Good luck with the vet visit
Alyson
 
he is on is own and i didnt think it was nothing to worry about that why i came on here.

i didnt want expert advise just friendly advise that you would give to youyr friends i now know better

Well I would say to anyone, friend or not, the things I said to you. When it comes to animal welfare I am afraid I have no time for cooing and ahhing, with animals you don't always have a lot of time so I prefer to get right to the point. What I saw horrified me so there wasn't much point being fluffy about it really.
 
he is on is own and i didnt think it was nothing to worry about that why i came on here.

i didnt want expert advise just friendly advise that you would give to youyr friends i now know better

I'm sorry but you really don't seem to know what your talking about.

If one of my piggies ever got like that... whatever the cause I'd be up the vets as quick as you can say snap. For him to be like that over a year is shocking, he's probably been in so much pain.

You need to find another vet, look online or in your local paper.. there must be a more experienced piggy vet near you.

If my vet saw one of my piggies like that, and said 'he's fine.. it's not serious' I would laugh in his face and say are you blind? then immediately take him somewhere else.

You may not have caused this wound, but not getting him the proper care IS cruelty and neglect.

Also, that is NOT mange. My gilly had mange and it looked absolutely nothing like that what so ever. It looks like something has took a huge chunk out of him..
 
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The best advice that you've been given is to get this guy to someone who knows what they are doing. Pebbles offer is very kind, and I'd urge you to take that offer up.

As for the 2 vets who have dismissed you when you've taken this pig to them wish such a severe injury, you need to report them so that other owners don't fall fowl of them and end up with animals being caused long term suffering from their lack of vet skills.

You may feel like you've been jumped on but this is a pretty horrific wound, and I think everyone is just wanting to make sure that
a) you realise how serious this is and it's not something thats just going to go away
b) that you get him to the best vet possible asap so that he can be treated and made more comfortable

Petshops are there to sell you things, if you asked most petshops if a cat could eat rabbit food they'd tell you they could just to sell you something. They are not qualified, and what they've sold you is standard stuff for treating mites, not a large open wound.

Hopefully your boy will be seeing a decent vet asap. Ross is only a few hours from me, however, a wound this extensive needs a top cavy vet, and I'd be taking him to the best money could afford to get this guy healthy again.

I hope that you will keep us all informed about how his appointment and treatment goes?
 
ok everyone. Yes this is shocking but I think Karen has the idea now that her pig needs a good vet asap. Let's concentrate on getting her piggie better as i for one would like to know he is being treated correctly and not in pain, rather than not hearing anything back because Karen has been chased off the forum.
Karen you want to get your pig better but he is seriously ill at the moment. PLEASE let Pebble help you and your pig get to the best vet possible. This is something that hasn't been seen before and needs a specialist.
If you would like to contact me you can at [email protected]. Please keep us updated on how your boy is x
 
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posted at the same time as allabouttheanimals who put it much better than me ;-)
 
he is on is own and i didnt think it was nothing to worry about that why i came on here.

i didnt want expert advise just friendly advise that you would give to youyr friends i now know better

I would've given the exact same advice to a friend.
 
Lets hope that the guinea pig recovers as soon as possible with the help and treatment from a new vet.
Just a quick friendly note (my vet advised) bephar does nothing once the fungal goes past the first stages and can actually aggrevate open wounds as can antibacterial powder.
My Lottie is just recovering from a very mild case of fungal where I used bephar but she didn't seem to react to it so I used a Peter Gurney remedy from off here which someone posted in a link a couple of weeks ago and I'm pleased to say it's working :).

So please don't feel like everyone's being unfriendly it's just that we're all guinea pig lovers and just want the best for the little critters and sometimes you have to be ...well a little blunt for people to listen.
I don't think there are any qualified vets on here (was one once I think) but there are a few that works within a vets practice, but they can only offer guidence & advice not a solution.
His wound does look nasty but I'm sure with a new cavy savy vet they'll sort him out soon xx
Please let us know what the outome from the new vets is :)
 
Pebble has kindly offered to take your guinea pig to the vets, frankily you'd be stupid to not take this offer up. If I saw a guinea pig in that state I'd be tempted to phone the RSPCA as I have never seen a wound so bad before.

Also, never ever go to a pet shop to get advice, they aren't vets and their products aren't any good. Pet shop spot-on isn't very effective and powders are useless and usually can make wounds worse.
 
Hope this animal gets the help it needs, please do not put this pig outside to graze, I am worried cos of the flys.. Good luck, please let us know how he gets on..:(:(
 
Hope this animal gets the help it needs, please do not put this pig outside to graze, I am worried cos of the flys.. Good luck, please let us know how he gets on..:(:(
he goes out to graze all the time and doesnt get problems with flys
 
I havent time to read the whole thread, but it looks very similar to what happened to my piggy.
It started as a small irritated lump, which grew and grew, the vet said i had to monitor it daily and see how big it grew in a evening. Well it started off less than 2 mm and in 3 weeks was massive, the medications the vet prescribed just didnt work despite numerous trips. The night before she was to go in for surgery the lump split open (like in this photo) the only option was removal of the lump or being PTS.
We took her in to have the lump / tumour / growth removed and she healed really nicely and didnt have any problems again..

Please please see a different vet, a pet shop is not qualfied to tell you whats happening.
If you cant get to another vet then you need to be looking at a rescue for it before its too late
 
I havent time to read the whole thread, but it looks very similar to what happened to my piggy.
It started as a small irritated lump, which grew and grew, the vet said i had to monitor it daily and see how big it grew in a evening. Well it started off less than 2 mm and in 3 weeks was massive, the medications the vet prescribed just didnt work despite numerous trips. The night before she was to go in for surgery the lump split open (like in this photo) the only option was removal of the lump or being PTS.
We took her in to have the lump / tumour / growth removed and she healed really nicely and didnt have any problems again..

Please please see a different vet, a pet shop is not qualfied to tell you whats happening.
If you cant get to another vet then you need to be looking at a rescue for it before its too late
that sounds very simular and the vet did sugest surgery but did also say that he might not make the operation.
its nice to know someone else has had something simular thats what i wanted to know.
to have an operation that would cost over £100 and he may not survive is a difficult thing to put to my daughter as she would rather have him happy alive and maybe not look to beautiful than have a dead pet.
it is something that we will disscuss as a family tonight.
 
that sounds very simular and the vet did sugest surgery but did also say that he might not make the operation.
its nice to know someone else has had something simular thats what i wanted to know.
to have an operation that would cost over £100 and he may not survive is a difficult thing to put to my daughter as she would rather have him happy alive and maybe not look to beautiful than have a dead pet.
it is something that we will disscuss as a family tonight.

I would strongly urge you NOT to let this vet operate on your guinea pig. He has seen an animal that is clearly not ok, and told you it is 'in perfect health'. No wonder he doesn't think it will survive, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the type to use an injectable GA incorrectly then go oh whoops look it died.

Have you not been to another vet today then? Despite all the advice given here and Pebble's incredible offer? I know where she lives and it is NOT on your doorstep, so was a lovely thing to offer to do, but you still seem to have your head in the sand.

It is not a case of looking beautiful, it is a case of an open wound that is likely infected. Have you considered that your daughter could actually catch something from this? e.coli and septaceamia are transferable between animals and humans you know, and that's just a couple of things.

As I say, be interested to know if your daughter had a wound like this, would you tell her she was ok if she ate and drank, or would you have her in a and e? As it is just the same.

I don't care if people think I am blunt, I have a zero tolerance policy with people who won't get their animals the proper care.
 
I have only just found this thread and I have to say I have seen wounds like this before, never on a pig.

It looks like flystrike or some flesh eating bacteria or even an animal created wound. Its still very pink, very fresh looking and very much like this has happened recently not something that has lasted a year, even if its been cleaned every day - the flesh should have been trying to close up and repair not stay open like that. There is also no areas around the wound that is or has dried up where the flesh is mending and knitting back together - equally there is no necrotic tissue (a good thing) but its so bad.

I am not a vet, I used to be a farmer and I have seen some sights - this has to be one of the worst things I have seen, especially as its supposedily a year old problem. Its not just a flesh wound, this goes way deeper than the first layer of skin - it might even be a ruptured tumour. Whatever it is I would not have been looking at it a year on with the same blasie attitude I would have been back each week to the vets or changing vets if I had no luck with them to get this poor piggie sorted out.

I am both very angry at seeing the picture and reading the replies to a lot of shocked and rightly so concerned members of this forum, and flabberghasted that any vets would allow this piggie to continue to live like this. I just hope this piggie gets sorted out finally and if the vets truely were at fault as well for neglecting their part of caring for this animal I would name and shame them.
 
We all agree this wound is shocking and are naturally concerned for the health and wellbeing of Karen's piggie. There have been some pretty strong posts which in my opinion are in the main justified....but I don’t think that continuing to express horror and concern in a way that alienates Karen is going to achieve any useful purpose for anyone as far as the piggie's future treatment is concerned.

Therefore, before the "Friday fires" start burning, can I just put a bit of perspective into all of this please? And hopefully provide some more information for Karen to take on board as she and her family will be deciding what to do tonight and will then have to have a difficult conversation with either their existing or a new vet.

The first thing to consider is whether the piggie is in any kind of distress or pain. We all know how piggies behave if they are in pain or distress....they stop eating, they ruffle their fur, they turn their face to the corner and don’t move about, their eyes are sunken, they start to lose weight, their guts/poos become affected........If Karen's piggie is behaving absolutely normally and is not exhibiting any of the pointers above, then we have to assume that the piggie is not in serious pain or distress with this wound at the moment and seems quite unconcerned about the horrible mess on her back (which could be why the vet didn;t wish to act) That is not to say that she may be in some discomfort and it may itch/sting a bit and she may scratch it from time to time (which would be transiently painful)

As unbelievable as it might seem, it is entirely possible for animals to have a wound of this nature and not be in pain and behave perfectly normally (I know from past experience of working with Leishmaniasis - an infectious tropical disease that causes deep-seated skin ulcers in humans and furries...and that's the mild form! Although the animals have active infection, that looks a damn site worse than the wound in the Karen's photo, yet they are behaving completely normally and show no distress or pain )

Secondly – Pepperdog’s appraisal of the lesion's current condition is very valuable (and actually encouraging). The worry is that this thing doesn’t want to heal and (perhaps) has been growing for some time and possibly STILL IS. Let's remember that this probably started out as one of those small "lumps" our piggies get and we are all told by the vet to "wait and see". The real and very understandable issue about why people are getting so upset on here is why what started out as a small lump has now been permitted to grow into this very large lesion without veterinary intervention....and to be honest I think this is where the vet (and possibly you too Karen) are being called, quite understandably, to account.

Thirdly, what can be done now? This will depend upon how far the lesion has progressed into the tissues, whether it is continuing to grow and if so why is it continuing to grow (infection? some type of inflammatory reaction? the piggie scratching and making things worse? a malignant tumour?) .

What IS clear is that this is a BIG lesion...and if the cause isn’t diagnosed and treated and the lesion excised (if necessary) VERY VERY soon then it will be too big to take out and permit proper healing (I have to say that Karen's vet may feel it is too late already - but that doesn’t mean another vet with more experience of surgery and subsequent healing of chronic wounds would feel the same way - I know colloidal gels etc can work wonders...even on piggies...and I know my own vet took in Ginger piggie for 4 weeks to get his wound to heal). I also work with a chronic wound healing company who have healed war wounds and diabetic foot ulcers in people who have suffered with them for years. There are loads of extremely effective human solutions (impregnated dressings/creams etc) now on the market….vets just need to have the courage to try them in piggies.

OK....I'll stop this post now and start another one with the possible suggestions on ways forwards.

x
 
2nd post - way forwards

Karen - I am taking your word that your piggie is acting completely normally, that you are monitoring/cleaning/treating the wound with appropriate medication (NOT antibacterial granules from a pet shop) on a twice daily basis to ensure no possibility of fly strike or infection..and on THAT basis I suggest this might be an appropriate way forwards

You DO need to be aware that if you consult your previous vet, they have a vested interest in protecting themselves. There have been lots of comments regarding your previous vet's competency.....they are justified and therefore you need to consider how this may potentially affect the "cover my own backside first" advice your vet gives you.

Whoever you see: ( I suggest that even if you see your usual vet you then go and get a second opinion)

1) They should be able to diagnose whether there is any infection/malignancy/what has caused this lesion ...and then make a decision on immediate treatment/urgency

2) they should be able to give you a treatment plan to make her better - this may involve surgery and also a prolonged treatment regime to heal a chronic wound. The vet needs to be extremely competent and be able to advise you of the risks/prognosis (ie chance of full recovery)..and tell you what has already bee "done by others" and what is "experimental"

3) they should be prepared to admit straight away if this is outside their experience or ability, be prepared to consult with/refer to other more experienced vets if necessary...and not just write off your piggie with the "PTS"......because unless there is malignancy that has spread to other organs I DO believe there may be a chance of recovery at this stage


HOWEVER....any treatment needs to take account of the distress your piggie may experience....it might not be fair to put her through this....only YOU can decide that providing you have trustworthy info from the vet....and she continues to behave perfectly normally showing no signs of distress or pain.


4) In view of the lesion size, I would hope the vet would also suggest an alternative treatment that centers around palliative care (ie managing instead of curing the clinical symptoms). A similar scenario is when a piggie has kidney stones - they are inoperable, there is no cure, eventually the piggie will suffer renal failure which is very unpleasant.....a good treatment regime can give the piggie many more piggie years of pain-free enjoyable life and they are then PTS when renal failure is imminent


I hope this helps you in the difficult days ahead. I would strongly advise you to go and see Lance Jepson, who is holding surgery in Swansea next Wednesday and has other surgeries throughout Wales on other days

http://www.vet4dragons.co.uk/surgeries.html

I will be thinking of your piggie (and your family) and hope that if your vet gives you a load of negative bumph you will at least feel able to PM one of us and seek out comments/alternative opinions before you make any decision

You have my email address if you want to contact me

xxxxx
 
P.S. I am in regular contact with 3 cavy savvy vets across the country who are committed to specialising in piggies and who would welcome any case histories/experience and would be willing to provide their own comments/advice

If you want, I am happy to email the picture of your piggie's lesion (no other details or identifying text) and just ask their opinion as I'm sure they'd all be interested.

I would need you to send me the original image to your email as I can;t seem to extract it from the forum

HTH
xx
 
Oh dear, theres too much here for me to read. Sorry about the response your getting. People here only want the best for piggies so i can completely understand their response. Wounds that look like this (that definatly are not infected if you say so) can be sorted surgically. If its been going on a year or so then the piggie probably has some sort of immune problem meaning the wound will not heal. No vets i know would leave it and tell you to keep an eye on it for this long. I refuse to believe he is not in pain, piggies are great at hiding pain, and its hard to spot it. so dont just think because he's eating/drinking he's feeling great. Please see a different vet and get this sorted (probably surgically)

Please note also, that an open wound like this in the summer is almost certainly going to attract flies and your piggie is a high risk of fly strike! Which can (and very often is) fatal!

Sorry to moan. We just want the best for the piggie.

x.
 
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