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Meet Peggy - Dental Pig

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I have snuck this little lady in quietly, a few of you know of her, but she needs her own space and to tell her own story now.

She is called Peggy. She is staying with me indefinitely, as such I'm able to introduce her to you properly. Let me explain. (I've done a lot of explaining myself this year, don't shout at me!) I have chosen to introduce her fully here, instead of in chat, as I felt I could continue this thread with any dental updates.

I've had her here for two and a half weeks, syringe-feeding her due to her continuing dental troubles (going on for 3 months in total so far) which her owner had hoped would improve. But the latest trip to Vedra to sort out her teeth revealed quite an abnormality with her jaw which is causing these teeth troubles, and it's not going to go away. Vedra's "artists impression" of her jaw and molar dentition (both should be in a straight line, as in the right of the picture):

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Which leaves her mouth looking a bit offside:

PeggyMouth26Jun.jpg


Peggy's top incisors grow in like this:

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I need to get a photo of her lowers to add here, they're growing from what appears to be a very twisted jaw.

As such, she's going to need frequent dental work and syringe-feeding very likely for the rest of her life, which her owner could not do. I shall be taking her to Vedra weekly and - gulp - learning to trim the incisors at least. Molars didn't need trimming for two weeks but incisors are growing in within a week and will need keeping on top of.

I know, I know, I can't take on every poorly pig in this situation. I am aware of how this looks and how it might make me seem (where did my limit go!?!?). I am fully conscious this has to be a one off, even though one of the main goals for the future is to take in those poorly pigs others can't help.

At the moment I have quite a few senior piggies, of which Peggy has now joined the likes of. She is an older girl, 5.5 years.

Now, little miss Saffron as you know is notorious for being a devil to other girls, but after having no luck with pairing Peggy up with other pigs, I tried Saffron - with some hesitation - and for only the second time ever, Saff is showing her softer side. Saffron was incredibly gentle and considerate of Lottie when she was ill and just before she died back in 2008, and she's showing the same tenderness with Peggy now.

So Kingslie is going to get two wifeys after all. Not something I ever foresaw, but there you go.

Now, back to the medical side - look how tiny Peggy is next to Saff!

SaffyPeggyAbove26June.jpg


She was a mere 575g on arrival, so much smaller than she is even in the photo. She is up to 700g now but heading on upwards, long way to go yet. Unable to eat anything for herself aside from soggy nuggets. She is taking, on average, 100ml a day. She would not (could not) take feeds more frequently than every 6 hours, her owner used to just sit down twice a day and feed her for around 45 minutes, so it took some time to adjust her tummy to more frequent feeds, but she'll take around 30ml from a syringe every 3-4 hours now.
 
awww, she is lovely! x) x)

She will have a great life with your tribe! Lucky Kingslie and Good luck with the teeth trimming, i'd be pretty nervous too, but i'm sure once you know how, it'll be easy :)

(p.s. i think you should scrap your limits..... :(|) :(|))

xx
 
Well firstly Laura - I salute you! If you can do it and do it well then why not do it? You're happy to do it clearly and you are very capable so why not?

Her teeth issues look quite serious and I am looking forward to her progress with you. How has she managed for so long?
 
She is lovely x) I'm glad she has a loving caring owner like you to help her through her dental issues. :)

I cant believe the size difference!
 
Aww Laura, Peggy is lovely, what a poor love having the problems she does. But how lucky she is now for having such a kind and caring owner like you! What a great thing it is, you have done taking her on, I'm sure now she is going to have a very happy life. Lucky Kingslie! He's going to think all his christmasses have come at once! :))
 
Poor Peggy. Her mouth does sound to be in a right old state. I hope the incisor trimming goes well. I too think you're doing a very good thing taking her in ;)

And I can't believe the size difference next to Saffron! She looks like she's about 4 months old! I love how Saffron has taken her under her wing though. So very sweet xx>>>
 
I have no idea why she's been fine for her 5 years before her teeth started causing problems 3 months ago. Her jaw is so out of shape, it's not normal, so why would it suddenly twist/bend out of shape like that...? Or why would her teeth be fine despite this jaw abnormality for so long before becoming problematic? It's very odd. I don't get it and I need to figure out with her old owner what exactly she's been through, if she saw a normal vet before going to Vedra etc.

Will try to get pics of these lower teeth posted in the morning. I had thought they were little stumps but not the case, very long, at a weird angle, coming from a weird jaw position.

As if I didn't have enough to worry about learning how to inject pigs, I've not got a very valid and very current reason to move forward with dental work too. All I can say is thank god I live so close to Vedra.
 
AWWW - what a lovely, special girl!

As this is the direction you want to go, Peggy couldn't have come to a more loving place to live, and you are getting hands-on experience. I admire your courage, though!

Glad to meet you, Peggy!

(PS: Did you know that Peggy was Cariad's name before she joined me? Yet another lilac girl!)
 
I didn't know that Wiebke. :)

This little Peggy reminds me so much of Mandy's (tattyruncy's) Peggy. Both with dental problems and both such dainty little things, same name and all...I just keep thinking back to those times I met Mandy's Peggy. She had a gentler nature than Peggy Humphreys though, she's quite impatient for her feeds and will shove me out the way in the process...

Thanks for the support, suspect I'll be needing you all along the way!
 
She's a sweety and all the more lucky for having landed with you. Thankfully you can decide and you are allowed to make exceptions to the rules, they are there to be broken and amended! I hope she continues to thrive, and enjoy her time with Saffron who must also realise she is a special little lady in need of some TLC. I can't imagine what it is like to have to syringe feed a guinea so frequently, but I'm sure it is well worth the trouble when you see them thrive and enjoy life again! :)
 
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Peggy is gorgeous! I hope her dental problems will improve - as long as it doesn't get worse. I don't think you should be ashamed...you're doing a great job! You are such an inspiration..x)x)
 
Oh Laura she is beautiful - I'm so glad you have decided to take care of her, I couldn't think of anywhere better xx
 
Awwwwww Laura, she's beautiful :) Reading this has left me with tears treaming down my face 8... I'm so glad you are devoting your time to Peggy to take care of her for the rest of her life :)
You are an absolute angel x>> It will help you to achieve your goals with learning more about dental treatment and help you to get to Vedra's as you will need to be strong for Peggy, and I know you can do it :)
Love and hugs to Peggy and I'm sooooooooooo glad Saffron loves her :)
 
Her jaw looks twisted like my sweet Millys was; she was a rescue pig and was fine for the first 14months and lived another 2 years with ongoing and worsening dental problems and more frequent visits to my rodentologist. The left side if her jaw grew increasingly thickened so that eventually the molars no longer met.
Good luck with dear Peggy.
 
she certainly is a complex case, and she is with the best possible piggy mummy.

Luve that creamy colour!
 
Wow! Good for you....and Peggy! (And Kingslie!)

She's a beautiful little thing and I really hope everything works out for the best, all round. She's in very safe hands and I know you'll do everything you can for her. Good luck x
 
Thanks for the messages. :)

Peggy's lower and upper incisors:

PeggyTeeth30-6-10.jpg


Despite me holding either side of her jaw, I'm not pressing, this is just how she is.

I'm going to talk some things through with Vedra when I take Peggy down for some dental work, hopefully tomorrow night. Looking at the possibilities that she may be a satin carrier (she has a few select, unusually glossy hairs on her face), in which case she'd be suffering OD (osteodystrophy) and would explain a number of things, and considering taking x-rays to look at the state of her jaw and teeth, and the rest of her bones.

It's possible that she's just a dental pig, just has a misaligned jaw, but I'd like to make some effort to make sure there's nothing sinister going on which had led to her problems and could potentially inhibit her recovery. Something about it just being dental/jaw doesn't add up.
 
I think its a good thing thats she found a nice home with you and I'm sure she will get all the care she needs. Look forward to hearing updates :)
 
Thanks for the support. :)

We've had a real up and down week, we seem to alternate good and "bad" days which I suppose is par for the course. She's happy to nibble on some things at the moment - mashed banana and Oxbow Daily C (vitamin C tablet) are the ones interesting her at the moment. I'm starting to realise I'm lucky that she's willing to do anything for herself at all. Still not keen on taking the syringe for herself (she's been reluctant to take the syringe in her mouth for the past week so have had to be a bit more "forceful", whereas before she was pretty much 'drinking' it all from the syringe) but still getting a good amount in her, average 100ml a day give or take a bit. Drinking lots of water, she can easily get through 20ml, give or take a little, per feed.

She is on Daktarin Oral Gel and Nurofen, I decided to crack on with those as her saliva was starting to smell a little despite cleaning her mouth out with a (big) drink of water after each feed. I'm giving her lower doses due to her low weight (currently 660g), 0.3ml Daktarin 3x daily, and 0.1ml Nurofen 2x daily. I'm happy that the Daktarin is having a positive effect, three days into treatment the odour has gone and she seems to be gaining weight and chewing her food a little more comfortably but considering upping the Nurofen dose to 0.2ml 2x daily though. Little Peg has got bumblefoot on her front left paw which is starting to become a bit sore for her, able to walk normally thus far but she is lifting it when resting and isn't at all happy for it to be touched. All her feet are very red but there's definite swelling and ulceration on this front one. I'm applying GG foot ointments as well as giving the Nurofen.

We paid a visit to "Auntie Vedra" last night as she's been grinding her back teeth. As suspected, the teeth right at the back were too long, hence the grinding and the discomfort and difficulties she's been having with the syringe. Vedra did mention that it was difficult to get at those back teeth, but her teeth were apparently quite "soft". I asked to watch the dental work being done and could hear they weren't clear sounding cuts in any sense, more of a grinding/crumbling sound to each cut. (I don't recall this being the norm with Tuppy when she had her molars cut.) Anyway, V has done her best and Peggy does look significantly happier. Took the syringe herself this morning, slower than usual but first time in a while that she's been helping herself, as it were.

Incisors have actually been ok for once, I filed them a touch yesterday but the uppers are not curving and the lowers aren't too long yet, so no work needed on them this time.

I did ask about why the jaw is misaligned and Vedra explained that when the teeth overgrow it can push the jaw out of alignment. For now I didn't request x-rays as I'm happy with V's explanation and can understand that. Still some genetic deformity with her jaw and molars, but with regard to the front part of her jaw that's sat at an angle, I can see just how it could have happened from the molars becoming overgrown. Her old owner went a month without dental treatment for her, and given I've had to take her weekly, she must have had very overgrown teeth at one stage, so I'm happy with that reasoning for the time being at least.

*sigh* The little lady has got a lot going on with her so she is doing very well, really. I've got a lot to learn, these pigs really are very good teachers.

I'm popping back down to V this morning to get a metal dental rasp as I could use one I can easily sterilise. Also looking to buy the bone ronguers for clipping the front teeth, and thinking of booking myself onto the dental workshop in October. This pig is doing me as much good as I hope I'm doing her. :))
 
You're doing a fantastic job with Peggy. She sounds like a real trooper too. Big pats on the back for both of you. xx>>>
 
you are doing fantastically! people who would take on a piggy with that amount of dental work required are few and far between! best of luck to you and peggy
 
Wow, am so pleased you have taken her in and good luck with the challenges it will bring. She is lovely.
 
Update:

We've had a couple of weeks of her making no effort whatsoever, not even with the syringe, but the last couple of days she has picked up and is back to willingly taking 20ml+ per feed. Only thing is that Vedra would rather I gave SubQ fluids rather than syringing them orally, but I am having problems with it as Peggy is so little. If the needle and fluid doesn't go straight out the other side of the tent (when I eventually manage to find a bit I can pick up) then the fluid just creates a lump and then leaks back out on removing the needle...which is a problem when I'm supposed to be putting 10ml into her. I will take Peggy down to Vedra when I collect some more fluids and see if she can help.
I'm ok on the other pig I'm having to give SubQs to, and although she is lighter than Peggy, she is physically a little more substantial than Peggy!

Vedra would also like me to try to keep the teeth at the length they are now (after her latest dental work) so I took some pictures to remind me of how she should be looking - not great pics but good enough to remind me. I do have other ways to recognise the right length of molars and incisors after looking for a good while at her mouth. As yet I can't do trimming, I am going to learn that soon, so for now it's a case of daily filing both molars and incisors. They seem to overgrow within about 5-7 days. If filed daily I have more chance of keeping on top of it but we'll see how long until I'm on Vedra's doorstep with Peggy again...

Pics for those who don't see anything of tiny piggie teeth. ;)

PeggyTeeth29Jul10.jpg


PeggyMolars29Jul10.jpg


PeggyIncisors29Jul10.jpg
 
You are doing a great job - it's a hard learning curve for you and a big task looking after a piggy like Peggy!
 
Thanks Wiebke. :) The thought of dental work terrified me but not any more, looking forward to learning to clip the teeth - then it's just onwards and upwards (with as few blips as possible......!). I hadn't even wanted to put the separators into Peggy's mouth due to her misaligned jaw but after practice I've no issues with accessing the mouth now.

It's just the SubQ that is bugging me, can't win with it at the moment as her skin just sinks around her shoulder blades, leaving me not enough skin to tent and safely inject.

I will write up the other pigs history and info as soon as I can, she's a good pig to write about treatment options to help prevent a very common problem.
 
Oh wow, you have definitely given Peggy a new chance at life! She's so lucky to now be a part of the Humphreys tribe! It sounds like you are learning a lot from her too :)
 
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