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Ok, I'm just searching for any ideas, or for anyone who has had anything similar as Mr T's bottom is really becoming a bit of a puzzle to me.
Bit of a backstory (hope its not too boring/lengthy!):

A while ago now I posted about little Tango making some pained squeaking when he was doing number 2s - poos all normal, no trouble whatsoever with weeing, perfectly healthy and lively otherwise.

We saw a local vet (who knows piggies well enough for general visits) and got the all clear, by the time we'd saw the vet he'd stopped his squeaking as well so we figured must have just been a blip/something he ate.

Then a week or so later it started again. It wasn't happening all the time, just every now and again when he'd try to go, and sometimes it'd stop again for a few days. Had a visit from the lovely Pebble who helped do some urine dip sticks, on which the only abnormality was a high protein level.

After that we went to see Ann at Ewell for a second vetrinary opinion. She couldn't detect anything obviously wrong either and was very pleased with his overall health otherwise. Couldn't get a urine sample out of him unfortunately but she saw no reason to x-ray him then as he seemd in such good health otherwise. She suggested we cut down on his nuggets and just up the hay intake to see if that combatted the high protein and would possibly help the situation.

Tried cutting the nuggets for two weeks as advised and still no change in the painful poo squeaks. :( However, he was still completely fine otherwise, eating as only a pig can do, drinking, running etc.

He was scheduled for an x-ray with Ann next week but this morning we were having lap time and after three periods of squeaking and eventual pellet appearance, there was a tiny little spot of blood on the blanket (cue me going into headless chicken panic mode :...:o). He was also doing the squeaking pretty much all the time he tried to go, rather than intermittantly like before. Despite that he still seemed his normal chirpy, greedy self.

So we got an appt today (ta for the tip off about Ann being in Lindsey!) and had an x-ray done to check for bladder stones which showed nothing out of the ordinary! Still couldn't get any urine out of him whilst we were there so she couldn't run another check on that but she was thinking it could be a sort of urine infection thats just making the general area sore and causing him discomfort when poo-posturing. We've come away with a 10 day course of metacam and septrin to see how that goes.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has had a similar situation and what it ended up being? It just seems so strange that its only really when he's pooing and not weeing, and that everything else appears fine otherwise.
Are there any sort of gut related conditions piggies can get that would be causing this?

Sorry for all the rambling, just overthinking things I guess!
 
Just a thought but it couldn't be something as simple as I
Impaction could it...?
I'd assume though that the vets would have checked for that...
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It would be nice if it was that! But nope, his botty is completely free and clear of unpleasant blockages!
 
It would be nice if it was that! But nope, his botty is completely free and clear of unpleasant blockages!

Oh dear... :(
Well... Every other idea I had was covered in your opening post...
I really hope he gets better soon...!
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Tbag, almost word-for-word is what my little Womble is going through right now. I did find that cutting out pellets helped a bit, that is until he started having copious amounts of blood in his urine on christmas eve. Strangely enough, the blood only showed up in samples for the next day and it is now completely clean, but he is still crying while going to the toilet (but poos and wees upset Womble). X-rays didn't reveal any issues and he is also now on metacam/septrin.

I don't have any advice and can't shed any light on your situation, but just wanted to say that I sympathise! I wonder how many other piggies Anne is seeing with the same symptoms right now...
 
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Thanks for the support folks.

Poor Womble :( Him and Tango can be brothers of suffarage!
Have you noticed the metacam/septrin making any difference yet, or have you only been on it for a few days? I'm really hoping it'll help Mr T out as his squeaks are so horrible to hear. I'm having a bit of trouble with getting him to take it (only had two doses to give so far though) so just hoping he'll get used to it and stop trying to take chunks out of me!
 
I'm going through the same thing with Maple.

Started peeing blood around 18th Dec. Ultrasound and Xray revealed no stones. Urine microscopic analysis showed leuocyt4es and some bacteria. Septrin and metcam had an effect for a few day but then back came the blood and he went in on 30th for a urine collection direct from his bladder for culture/sensitivity tests. His bladder wasnt full enough so in the end he was catheterised and a sline flush done to colect a sample for culture.

Back home he stopped eating and suddenly started squeaking the place down when he pood/weed (I have never heard a guinea pig in so much pain) and his gut went into immediate stasis so back we went a couple of hours later, primarily for new pain meds until the culture results came through. I couldn;t explain why he was suddenly in so much pain when before the flush his pain was slight and manageable with metacam.

Tramadol, syringe feeding agressively every two hours through the night, zantac, metacam and upped the septrin dose. At 2.30am this suddenly appeared, wrapped around his willy - a massive 1cm diameter sperm rod.
Maplespermrod2Dec11.jpg


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After that he was in far less pain....and the tramadol really helped. My vet is not back util tuesday when we will disucss exactly what is going on (and have the culture results back hopefully) although he did email me New Years Eve to say he thought the sperm cast might have been dislodged during the saline flush.

Maple is now only squeaking slightly when he pees and poos, but nowhere near the screams of the other night...again I am keeping him on tramadol, septrin, metacam, zanatac and getting fluids/syringe food into him at 20ml per 4hours. Urine is still bloody but poos are back to normal.

This is not the first time on the forum an uneutered older guinea pig has presented with what looks like a UTI that doesn;t clear up with septrin and metacam doesn;t alleviate the pain ...and that susbequently passes a large sperm rod. This probably doesn;t show up on Xray or ultrasound due to its composition but I think it;s worth exploring this in future as a possible cuase of stubborn "UTI's" in unneutered older boars that present similarly in future.

I will know more when I consult with my vet on tuesday.

HTH
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I read somewhere that the stuff that causes bladder sludge and stones can sometimes form deposits on the penis.
Basil (five and a half) is also a member of this club I think. He has had suspected urinary problems for some time and saw several different vets but we never had a proper diagnosis because the symptoms were slight and cleared up quickly with cystitis treatment. But after a conscious Xray and ultrasound we now know he has bladder sludge and also arthritis in his spine and back knees. Our new vet thinks his pain is probably due in part to both these things.
 
I read somewhere that the stuff that causes bladder sludge and stones can sometimes form deposits on the penis.
Basil (five and a half) is also a member of this club I think. He has had suspected urinary problems for some time and saw several different vets but we never had a proper diagnosis because the symptoms were slight and cleared up quickly with cystitis treatment. But after a conscious Xray and ultrasound we now know he has bladder sludge and also arthritis in his spine and back knees. Our new vet thinks his pain is probably due in part to both these things.
 
Thanks for the support folks.

Poor Womble :( Him and Tango can be brothers of suffarage!
Have you noticed the metacam/septrin making any difference yet, or have you only been on it for a few days? I'm really hoping it'll help Mr T out as his squeaks are so horrible to hear. I'm having a bit of trouble with getting him to take it (only had two doses to give so far though) so just hoping he'll get used to it and stop trying to take chunks out of me!

I have to force syringe the Septrin to Womble as he doesn't like it much, but he takes the Metacam very willingly. To be honest, I haven't noticed a great improvement yet (but he's only been on them since Wednesday), but what is more concerning me with him right now is that his appetite has been affected. He isn't eating (and consequently pooing) very well at all and is having to be force syringe fed. Neither of us are enjoying this - he whimpers at me and puts his little foot on my hand to try to get me to stop.

Is Tango still eating well?

Pebble - that is one of the worst sperm rods I have ever seen, poor Maple.

Interesting what you are saying about sperm rods and older boys - how old is Tango out of interest? Womble is only about 1 and I have never noticed any sperm related issues with him so I don't think this is the issue in his case.
 
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Holy moles that sperm rod is :o:)>>>
Poor little Maple, I can see why that might have been painful! Perhaps Tango is having similar problem, but he isn't an old boar by any means, not even 1 yet. Anne had a full inspection of his parts too and I'm sure she would have spotted something like that? I will keep it in mind and mention it to Anne should his squeakies not improve. He's also never had any previous spermy problems either!

Tango is still eating like a champion, sorry to hear that Womble isn't - can you tempt him with any of his fave treats? At least he's resisting the septrin in a much more placid way than Tango - its so sweet/sad he's putting his little paw up to try stop you! I'd prefer that to being bitten and ending up with septrin all over myself and Mr T's face :(mallethead

Hopefully Anne (and the forum perhaps!) can figure out what wrong with our little lads!
 
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I'd prefer that to being bitten and ending up with septrin all over myself and Mr T's face :(mallethead

I just took a gulp of tea when I read this and laughed/choked! Sorry, as I know it isn't funny really. Pig tries to bite me too when I do something he doesn't like, but Womble is a gentle wee boy!
 
:))Haha, it definitely isn't funny at the time is it! I think I need to work on my syringe control as well haha -very sensitive bit of equipment that! We got a bit more down him today with Daddypig and I working 'tag-team' style but I don't think he's ever going to get used to it...
 
Just an update to bump this up again and see if anyone has any ideas at all about what this could be?! ?/

The septrin and metacam don't seem to be making any difference so far (he's not quite getting the full dose of septrin each time due to some syringe dribbles/mishaps but he is getting the majority of it down him).

He's not as bad as he was Saturday morning when he was leaving blood spots after his poo's but he's still in a lot of discomfort every time he tries to go. It's hard to tell when he's in his cage but he never seems to make the noise when he's weeing, its always and only just before he tries for a poop. There'll be an episode of straining and squeaking and then it'll stop and a couple of seconds later out will pop a poo or two.

Hearing his squeaky whimpers all the time is really starting to make me sad, he's still in great health otherwise etc but I really really want to know what this is and how we can make him better!
 
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