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Matilda, River and Rose are now in their big girl hutch! Got it sorted out last night with help from my dad, modifying the hutch a bit, making it safe for Todd to be at the top, so he has some company his side of the garden now!

A photo of it when Clymo (my bun) was still in it, but to show how it used to look:
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The modification - pieces of wood under the board to stop it moving:
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Todd in the top:
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All settled in:
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I'm sort of sad they're not in my room now lol but it's going to be better for them being outside!
 
Looks a very nice piggie home, sure they'll be very happy
 
May I ask how big each floor is?

As a trio needs a minimum of 5' x 2' and it doesn't really look that big from your photos.

You will need to think about how to winter proof it if they are to stay outside, as hutches are not suitable outdoor accommodation over winter without proper winter proofing. We are going to start working on ours in a couple of weeks, I need to order my plywood!
 
May I ask how big each floor is?

As a trio needs a minimum of 5' x 2' and it doesn't really look that big from your photos.

You will need to think about how to winter proof it if they are to stay outside, as hutches are not suitable outdoor accommodation over winter without proper winter proofing. We are going to start working on ours in a couple of weeks, I need to order my plywood!

The hutch is big enough for my girls, it's fine. I didn't want them to be inside over winter and it's the right time of year to get them out so they can adjust to the change in temperature, but they have ample space for now.

And about 'winter proofing'... yes, I have thought about getting them a cover, that's about all the 'winter proofing' they need.
 
The hutch is big enough for my girls, it's fine. I didn't want them to be inside over winter and it's the right time of year to get them out so they can adjust to the change in temperature, but they have ample space for now.

And about 'winter proofing'... yes, I have thought about getting them a cover, that's about all the 'winter proofing' they need.

I'm sorry to come across as possibly rude, but no, that's not big enough. It's not big enough for a trio with both levels, let alone one. I am fairly sure that's a 3 foot hutch, not even a 4 foot. A trio needs a 4x2 two tier or 5x2 single tier at the very least. One level of that is suitable for one pig only (like the top level).

Also, when you consider that last winter saw the temperature drop to -18C, that hutch will need more than a protective cover to protect your guinea pigs. It needs bedding boxes putting in so that your pigs aren't effectively sleeping in the open, it needs covering effectively to keep drafts out and it'll need stuffing with bedding; and that's the very least.

Why didn't you want them to be inside over winter? Last winter was horrific temperature wise. Also, personally I think start of September is too late for getting them acclimatised to the weather; as it is already starting to get quite cool. They've gone from a nice warm house to cold nights outside. To acclimatise a guinea pig I would give them the whole summer to get used to it, not just a couple of months before winter well and truly rears its ugly head.

This winter at mine, 16 pigs will be living in a heavily insulated shed, with a heater if needs be. The other 4, depending on the temperature, will either be in the garage with duvets over the hutches or indoors if it is particularly cold. Another winter like last is a killer for guinea pigs and rabbits, so a single cover is not going to cut it for your piggies I'm afraid.

Sorry to rant, but I can't agree with what you've said at all...
 
I'm sorry to come across as possibly rude, but no, that's not big enough. It's not big enough for a trio with both levels, let alone one. I am fairly sure that's a 3 foot hutch, not even a 4 foot. A trio needs a 4x2 two tier or 5x2 single tier at the very least. One level of that is suitable for one pig only (like the top level).

Also, when you consider that last winter saw the temperature drop to -18C, that hutch will need more than a protective cover to protect your guinea pigs. It needs bedding boxes putting in so that your pigs aren't effectively sleeping in the open, it needs covering effectively to keep drafts out and it'll need stuffing with bedding; and that's the very least.

Why didn't you want them to be inside over winter? Last winter was horrific temperature wise. Also, personally I think start of September is too late for getting them acclimatised to the weather; as it is already starting to get quite cool. They've gone from a nice warm house to cold nights outside. To acclimatise a guinea pig I would give them the whole summer to get used to it, not just a couple of months before winter well and truly rears its ugly head.

This winter at mine, 16 pigs will be living in a heavily insulated shed, with a heater if needs be. The other 4, depending on the temperature, will either be in the garage with duvets over the hutches or indoors if it is particularly cold. Another winter like last is a killer for guinea pigs and rabbits, so a single cover is not going to cut it for your piggies I'm afraid.

Sorry to rant, but I can't agree with what you've said at all...

Yes it is big enough, and yes it is about 3ft, I think.

I wanted them outside because I don't like guinea-pigs living inside for one thing, every time I walked into my bedroom, every time I'd move by their cage, if I'd simply roll over in bed to get comfy, they would run riot around their cage. I don't want to keep scaring them, basically.

August/September is the perfect time to get them outside. These past few months, they'd go outside in their runs for a good 5 hours at least, most days a week, and I leave them out until it gets dark some evenings, so they are very used to the change in temperature from day to night as well as how it's been changing during the year. Besides, these past few months have been all over the place, weather wise. June and July were particularly cold this year.

Speaking of rabbits, mine has never spent a winter inside in the 9 years we've had him, this'll be his 10th year living outside.

My old pigs lived outside all year round comfortably as well. Last winter was a lot worse than previous years and I was thinking about bringing them all in, but I'd not have had cage space for all of them, and I just kept giving them extra hay and food and making sure their covers were down across the front of their hutches all day.

I think you have all forgotten how hardy guinea-pigs actually are. They may be a domestic pet, but they don't need wrapping up in cotton wool all their lives. I'm not an inexperienced or irresponsible owner here, I think I understand pigs a lot better than most of you and that's not meant to sound arrogant. Love the fact I'm being patronised here lol
 
No one is patronising you - i just think we have a very different opinion to you on the matter of minimum housing sizes. I was actually shocked on the other thread when you said a 3ft x 18inch cage was suitable living space for two adult guinea pigs - when given links to suggest otherwise, my comment was shot down :{ I'm actually more shocked now to see that you have in fact got three pigs living in such small and quite frankly inadequate living space.

The issue was not how much 'run' time your pigs get, or in fact how often you 'tend' to them, it was the mediocre hutch you've provided for your pigs to live in.

My pigs live in pairs and each pair has a 5ft x 2.5ft cage - they get 5-7hrs of outdoor run time throughout the spring/summer months - not to stretch their legs but to enjoy the lush green grass - their living space is ample enough for them to all run laps (and they do daily). Having a bigger living space for them means they can stretch their legs whenever THEY feel the need to and NOT when i decide they can - they are animals after all, i wouldn't dream of limiting their natural way of life!

If you were to telephone or visit any reputable rescue and have a home check done with a view to adopting a pair/trio of pigs, you'd fail instantly with your hutches/cage sizes. No reputable rescue would re-home a pair/trio of pigs to live in such small living quarters - so are they incorrect also?

You seem to come across as very argumentative - instead of taking all the good advice people are giving, you are putting up barriers and playing the 'i'm right and your all wrong' card.....

We can all learn new things - just because you think it's right doesn't mean it actually is!
 
Yes it is big enough, and yes it is about 3ft, I think.

Quite simply, you're wrong. http://www.guineapigcages.com/ sorry but there it is in black and white. More importantly you are contravening the RSPCA recommended requirements for TWO, which is 4' x 2' - leaving you quite open to being reported to them by a concerned neighbour

I wanted them outside because I don't like guinea-pigs living inside for one thing, every time I walked into my bedroom, every time I'd move by their cage, if I'd simply roll over in bed to get comfy, they would run riot around their cage. I don't want to keep scaring them, basically.

They do get used to these things, as will you, my guineas living outside used to freak every time I opened the back door - two weeks later and they don't. It's all about getting used to their environment. They will get worse rather than better being outside as chances are you will spend less time with them. I find it surprising they weren't used to you being inside as surely you spend a good few more hours a day in your room, awake, than in the garden, especially now it is getting chillier'

August/September is the perfect time to get them outside. These past few months, they'd go outside in their runs for a good 5 hours at least, most days a week, and I leave them out until it gets dark some evenings, so they are very used to the change in temperature from day to night as well as how it's been changing during the year. Besides, these past few months have been all over the place, weather wise. June and July were particularly cold this year.

Speaking of rabbits, mine has never spent a winter inside in the 9 years we've had him, this'll be his 10th year living outside.

Once it gets dark, it can drop a further 3, 4, even 5 degrees - you go outside at 8pm when it is now dark out (boo :( goodbye summer) and then at midnight. You might not need a jumper at 8pm, you probably will a bit later. I know, I do it every night for my own guineas.

And, speaking of rabbits, they are NOT the same - rabbits have fur, guineas have hair. Rabbits fur adjusts to the temperature like cats and dogs, guineas doesn't and is not as thick, which you can tell just by stroking the two. Even my hugely floofy Swiss pigs may be hairer, but the density of the hair is still not that of a rabbit's fur

I think you have all forgotten how hardy guinea-pigs actually are. They may be a domestic pet, but they don't need wrapping up in cotton wool all their lives. I'm not an inexperienced or irresponsible owner here, I think I understand pigs a lot better than most of you and that's not meant to sound arrogant. Love the fact I'm being patronised here lol

For someone who seems to think they know more than other members who have done the outside thing properly for a good few years, you might want to remember yes, they are hardy, based on their natural climate of South America - fair bit hotter than the UK so I am told. No they don't need wrapping up in cotton wool but insulation with polystyrene sheets, some snugglesafe pads, then an insulating cover, then a rain proof cover, then extra hay and bedding, then some fleecey cosies, would do fairly well instead. Those are my winter plans and these and only these to this length would satisfy a rescue letting me adopt from them, and darn right. All within a properly sized cage that will allow them to still run about when they can't get out every day, but then we have already covered that one.
 
I hate to be a spoil sport but I think that cage is way too small for a trio/pair of guinea pigs to be living in :(

I know its hard when guinea pigs are scared of movement but it takes a little bit time for them to get used to movement, my boys in the living room dont budge when the rabbit runs by or when someone walks past their cage, considering they are on floor level I am very surprised at that, its only taken a month for them to get used to movement.

Sadly guinea pigs fur doesn't thicken during winter, rabbits however get a lovely thick coat in for winter, even my house rabbits do and its always warm in this house. I couldn't imagine being outside on a cold winters night in just a jumper, this for me relates very closely to guinea pigs in cold weather.

I suggest just for now get a little shed to keep the hutch in, insulate the shed and give the piggies a snuggle safe and wrap the hutch in blankets/duvets.

If you start looking out on gumtree, freecycle, your local newspaper and adtrader you could pick yourself a nice little shed up very cheaply or for free. :)

You have some lovely piggies there and I would hate to think of them being cold :{:(
 
sorry i have to agree with the others, i think you have it the wrong way round, outside in a hutch over the summer if thats what you prefer , but inside for winter, sorry to sound harsh, but perhaps you could look at rehoming them?
 
Yes I would also agree with the others, however you don't need to spend money on a other hutch if thats the issue it is so easy to add levels or extend :-) I have 2 boars in a 4ft by 1.5ish hutch and that's not really big enough so I am adding another level for them I have been working on it about a hour per night and it's almost done after 3 nights!I will post a picture when it's cOmplete! I do agree that guineas are a hardy animal but I personally get worried about them in the cold I now keep mine in a shed, when I didnt have this I screwed squares Of loft insulation all over the hutch then on the wire on top level so the hole tOP level became a hay filled nest box! People are just trying to help, I think it's better for any animal to have the biggest space possible, if I had my
Own place mine would have double what they have now!
 
I very rarely give my personal opinion on an individual's posts, but feel in this case I have to say something, especially as you state that your aim is to start a rescue, together with your girlfriend.

I am going to sound harsh and unkind - to you, not your pigs.

Having seen your accommmodation and read your posts on your housing opinions I have to say that yours is the type of home I rescue FROM, not home TO.

There is a wealth of information and advice available on the forum, it would be a pity for it to fall on deaf ears and make no impact on your choices.

As for pigs being able to adapt to the cold, you seem to confuse their coat type with rabbits.

Rabbits have furred feet and ears as well as a dense undercoat to combat the cold - the domestic rabbit originated from the european rabbit, so evolved to deal with our climate.

Guinea pigs have none of these adaptations and therefore are not so well suited to the British winter.

I do hope that your decision to leave the forum is short lived and that you return so that you continue to learn and improve your pigs' lives, as we all do by exchanging info and opinions.

Suzy
 
Yes it is big enough, and yes it is about 3ft, I think.

I wanted them outside because I don't like guinea-pigs living inside for one thing, every time I walked into my bedroom, every time I'd move by their cage, if I'd simply roll over in bed to get comfy, they would run riot around their cage. I don't want to keep scaring them, basically.

August/September is the perfect time to get them outside. These past few months, they'd go outside in their runs for a good 5 hours at least, most days a week, and I leave them out until it gets dark some evenings, so they are very used to the change in temperature from day to night as well as how it's been changing during the year. Besides, these past few months have been all over the place, weather wise. June and July were particularly cold this year.

Speaking of rabbits, mine has never spent a winter inside in the 9 years we've had him, this'll be his 10th year living outside.

My old pigs lived outside all year round comfortably as well. Last winter was a lot worse than previous years and I was thinking about bringing them all in, but I'd not have had cage space for all of them, and I just kept giving them extra hay and food and making sure their covers were down across the front of their hutches all day.

I think you have all forgotten how hardy guinea-pigs actually are. They may be a domestic pet, but they don't need wrapping up in cotton wool all their lives. I'm not an inexperienced or irresponsible owner here, I think I understand pigs a lot better than most of you and that's not meant to sound arrogant. Love the fact I'm being patronised here lol

People aren't patronising you but at the end of the day you've posted pictures of your set up, therefore your asking for people to look and give their opinions. I'm sure if everyone had said "Oh wow, what fabulous accommodation!" you would have lapped up the praise. Just because people have done the opposite doesn't give you the right to get all self righteous with statements like "I think I understand pigs a lot better than most of you".

People on here have years and years of guinea pig owning knowledge, I do myself but I don't proclaim to know everything and therefore shoot down any advice given to me.

I had guineas from a very young, my family was the typical lets get a guinea pig, put it in a cage and give it some extra hay over winter. It's only since I've got older, took all the responsibility for myself that I realised I could make so many more improvements to their lives. At the time thought it wasn't because we didn't care but because we didn't know that really guineas, to live comfortably, need a lot more extra warmth over winter. We had the guineas for 6/7/8 years at time which proves they can survive through winter without all the extra warmth but it [*]doesn't make it right. [/*]Why have them cold over winter, when for an extra few quid you can make it more cosy for them?

Everyones got an opinion on cage sizes and in my opinion I think it's too small for three guineas. I won't say anymore because I'm honestly not attacking you personally, I just didn't want to not say anything either.
 
Gobsmacked.......:x

I'm no expert, but that is not big enough for 3 and you can convince yourself as much as you like that it is. And your poor piggies are going to be shivvering their whatsists off over winter if that is what they are going to be living in.

I hope for the sake of your piggies, that we do not have a winter like last year or I feel your later posts will be in "Rainbow Bridge"


Shocking...
 
Well one good thing, at least the rabbit isn't in it any more!

I'm sorry you feel patronised but people here are here because they love piggies, and often have very strong opinions and views on things, sometimes their views and opinions may not necessarily be right but on this occasion they are.

The RSPCA state that the minimum hutch or cage size for two guinea pigs should be 4' x 2' .

The following information is taken from the Lincolnshire branch of the RSPCA
A hutch of minimum size 4' x 2' x 2' is required, & a well sheltered outdoor grass run for fine weather is recommended. Like hamsters & other small rodents, guinea pigs prefer to be warm & fair better inside (but not a hot garden shed!) – they cannot cope with extremes of temperature.

http://www.rspca-lincoln.org.uk/rspca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=27

I don't want to come across as all high and mighty here far from it - my first guinea pig was originally in a 60cm indoor cage, but I read up on them and learned things and wanted to do what was best for him so as soon as I could I got him a bigger cage.
 
PLEASE RE THINK ....... :...

The reason you're being given this information is cause everyone is trying to help you!

You're piggies are gorgeous....... please give them the life they so deserve, more room to run and popcorn and warmth in the winter and shade in the summer.

Thankyou
Glynis xx
 
i personally DO think thats big enough for 3 girls. i know what the reccomended sizes are but my personal opinion is that you would need to make it more weatherproof if you want them outside over winter. a duvet would be great for warmth and a couple of fleecey hides/sacs for them to sleep in, along with lots and lots of hay to keep them warm. thats plenty big enough for 3 girls but would NOT be for anymore than 1 boar
 
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Perhaps you should be put in a small hutch with just a cover over the front and live out there all winter, see how you like it! ITs just plain cruel and infact its verging on neglect. Poor little piggies! Guinea pigs cannot cope with change in temperature like that, its going to be a potentially fatal winter for you poor piggies.
 
i personally DO think thats big enough for 3 girls. i know what the reccomended sizes are but my personal opinion is that you would need to make it more weatherproof if you want them outside over winter. a duvet would be great for warmth and a couple of fleecey hides/sacs for them to sleep in, along with lots and lots of hay to keep them warm. thats plenty big enough for 3 girls but would NOT be for anymore than 1 boar

The actual size of that particular hutch is 3ft x 1.4ft - the recommended living space for 3 pigs is 5ft x 2ft - that a HUGE difference is size!!

I don't understand when you say 3 girls would be fine but anymore than 1 boar wouldn't - what's the difference between the two genders then? Do girls deserve less room? Do they run around less in your opinion?

Limiting the amount of space they have to live a 'normal' life is cruelty plain and simple - why should those pigs only be allowed to run around and stretch their legs when their owner states - why do they not deserve the space to run around WHEN THEY CHOOSE to?

In every aspect apart from living space i truely believe that lilmisscavy loves her pigs and does the best she can - but honestly, do you seriously look at those pictures and believe that's acceptable and adequate living space for the amount of pigs occupying it?

I don't mean to sound harsh - but i cannot believe that anyone would think that is acceptable living space for 3 pigs - regardless of outdoor run time!!
 
Poor piggies will be freezing :( from a nice warm house to be shoved out in the cold. it should be the other way round :(
 
i think it looks ok its a lovely cage :) maybe a little small but i cant see why why they wont be perfectly happy in there give them a big hay area and if i were you id put some nice warm bedding boxes in because they may get a little chilly and obviosuly really up the warmth my maybe putting them in a shed aswel but they look very happy in there :)
 
i think it looks ok its a lovely cage :) maybe a little small but i cant see why why they wont be perfectly happy in there give them a big hay area and if i were you id put some nice warm bedding boxes in because they may get a little chilly and obviosuly really up the warmth my maybe putting them in a shed aswel but they look very happy in there :)

That's the whole point of it being too small - you cannot provide a big hay area or bedding boxes plus 3 guinea pigs because each level of that hutch only measures 3ft x 1.4ft and she has 3 guinea pigs living on the single bottom level!

Where exactly would these boxes and hay area go?
 
Oh dear. I don't mean to sound all high and mighty, but it upsets me to see THREE guinea pigs, in a space that, quite frankly, isn't big enough for one! Please do your piggies a favour and sort them out bigger housing. I'm sure you love them as much as the next person, but that hutch IS NOT big enough. I think it's wrong of you to be keeping them this way, and also advising newer/less experienced piggy owners that this is an acceptable way to house them is not right at all. I hope you don't take this as offensive, rather constructive critism, because lets face it, noone's perfect.
 
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My Baby Boar sleeps about 18" from my head

I have 3 piggies - 2 girls in an open plan 5ft by 3 ft enclosure on one side of my lounge - - and a two tier 4ft by 2ft cage on the other side of the lounge,which is 6" away from my sofa bed -so I sleep about 2ft away from my baby boar - it took 2 weeks for him to realise that I wasnt going to feed him veg until I got out of bed when I was good & ready,and now he may wake up and potter about but he doesnt call me until he knows I am awake, it just takes a bit of training - if space is an issue get a cage that goes up instead of out - I picked mine up on ebay 2 months ago for £37 it had never been assembled and essigy baffy 120 retail for £120 - there are bargains out there to be had - have even seen two 3 tier ones on ebay for under £50 recently -
Could piggies perhaps go in a hallway or kitcken - I have piggy sat for friends and their cage was out of the way in the bathroom - they had run-time around the bathroom while I had a bath.
Please listen to the other forum members and have a bit of a re-think or take some of their ideas on board - 2 of my daughters school friends lost their out door piggies last year because their parents thought putting the hutch under a porch with newspaper and some extra hay was good enough,you would never forgive yourself if you ended up with frozen stiff poggies.
 
I don't think I really need to add to this as everything has been said. Please re-think putting your guinea pigs OUTSIDE for the winter months after having them housed all summer. Why do they need to go outside? Without the proper insulation and cover from all the weather elements they will get cold.
 
obviously everyone has there views but if the piggies are being let out to run around everyday inside in winter out in summer i dont think theres an issue idealy everyone would have massive cages but not everyone has the space and piggies can end up in much worse conditions than this hutch my 3 piggies arent in particularly large cage but its big enough for two feeding and two bedding areas, but they spend about 4 hours out of the cage everyday and there all very happy i think as long as the piggies get enough time to rome about in large areas then theyl be fine. just my opinion. (however i do agree extra insulation (alot more) is need if theyl be out all winter i keep mine in my room all year round.)
 
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Hi OP
Not a criticism, I just wanted to add to the discussion - slightly off-topic! My family has had piggies for almost 20 years (on and off), and we always kept them outside, and never thought much of it - it seemed strange having them inside.

Guineas go in hutches, hutches go outside - that's the way it is.

Or so we thought - having been able to get back into the lovely world of guinea ownership in the last few years, the increase in knowledge, awareness and resources like this place has been really influential in our decision to now solely house our squigs indoors.

This isn't in any way meant to criticise outdoor owners, at all. I know lots of people keep perfectly loved, healthy pigs outside.

From our personal experiences, however, the piggies that have been healthiest, perkiest, more robust, longer-lived and generally better pets all round have been those that live indoors.

I think this is down to three reasons - 1. they have a nearly constant temp/atmosphere, all year round. 2. the domestic piggy is so far removed from their Peruvian ancestors that they really aren't adapted very well for living in cold or draughts, and 3. the massively increased levels of attention and human contact they get from being indoors. Even if you pop outside 3, 4 times a day, they will really benefit from more contact.

Just my twopence worth - hope you don't mind.

NFOC
 
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Can I also point out we seem to be having harsher winters now. I always kept my girls outside 10years ago, now I wouldnt dream of keeping mine out doors (hence why they are in for winter).

I have always had horses and the last three winters have definately been the hardest with the amount of ice, snow and -10 and further temperatures.
 
OP you often argue that you are right, which is fine, but it doesnt mean you should shun other peoples opinions and try to put them out. Afterall there is always more than one way of doing something. And not just one piece of evidence/ suggestion means it is the right one. I get the impression that you are a vet nurse or something similar?


I would heed advice from those on here with rescues as they see an array of things that go wrong with "cavy slaving" and they are the ones that pick up the pieces or worse still the GP does.
 
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