New Piggies Hiding

Scrappy Mum

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Well I finally got 2 new baby boys on Sunday. However they will not come out of their hiding place when I am in the room.
How long should I wait before trying to handle them? They are so frightened already, I don't want to make them worse.
 
Well I finally got 2 new baby boys on Sunday. However they will not come out of their hiding place when I am in the room.
How long should I wait before trying to handle them? They are so frightened already, I don't want to make them worse.
Just sit quietly by the cage and talk to them or read aloud from a book. Let them get used to your voice and presence which could take a few weeks depending how much time each day you can dedicate to doing this.

They will build confidence knowing that you're a friend and will come closer to you as the days pass.

I wait a few weeks if they are super shy just to let them build up their comfort zone with me:)
 
Thanks. I'm talking to them every time I'm in the room. I talk them through everything I do, like a crazy lady! And I'm on holiday at the moment so I have lots of time to dedicate to them. I wasn't sure if leaving it too long to pick them up would hinder the bonding process but I really don't want to add any more stress to them. I'll hang off for now and just keep chatting and offering them treats. I'll keep you posted on my progress. Just want to make them feel safe and loved. They're so tiny and cute
 
Time is the essential things. Lots of time and patience. Take the soft and slow approach, let them get used to you being around, giving them food etc before you can then start offering them things by hand.
 
Don't rush into stuff. I did and that effected my pigs in the long run. Leave it about a week.
 
Great advice above!

It may be worth offering food to your piggies while they are in their cage and hopefully after time they will take it off you - Food is the best way to bribe, use food when you get round to lap times also. Start lap time for a short amount of time at first and build up. We started off we laptimes for 1 minute with new piggies then pop them back, slowly increasing the time. They will soon associate you with food and good things but at first it takes a while to gain their trust.
 
Ok don't know how to start this or if I should start a new thread. I removed the shelter from the cage yesterday to change the litter and check on my boys and one of them was dead. I think the other killed him as his whole ear was missing and lots of fur from his side. I'm devastated. I called the store where I bought them from and the manager said she's never heard of anything like it but if I want I can return the other one. I don't know what to do. Please help.
 
Oh gosh, poor you, how awful. I wouldn't have thought that he would have been killed by his companion, especially as they are only babies, but I'm no expert. Are they outside, could a rat have got into their cage? How is the surviving one?
 
No they are indoors and I live alone with no other pets. The remaining one has no injuries and appears fine. He started running round the cage when I remove the shelter and was actually running over the body of the dead one. When I was removing the body from the cage he sat and ate his food. He's back in hiding now. The whole situation is awful.
 
How very sad for you. I have only ever heard of rats causing injuries not other companion guinea pigs.

Make sure the cage is rat proof. Rip little guinea pig.
 
No they are indoors and I live alone with no other pets. The remaining one has no injuries and appears fine. He started running round the cage when I remove the shelter and was actually running over the body of the dead one. When I was removing the body from the cage he sat and ate his food. He's back in hiding now. The whole situation is awful.
Hi again, I was thinking about this overnight, and I recalled a similar incident a while back. If the same thing happened here, then your piggy died of natural causes, but his companion caused damage to his body in frantic attempts to wake him up (not knowing at first that he was dead). In that case, it's still horrible for you but there was nothing you could have done to prevent it. Sadly, due to bad breeding practices, some pigs are basically born with a ticking time-bomb in their little bodies, so their lives are very limited.

Are you thinking of finding a new companion for your remaining piggy?
 
Hi thanks for your reply. I did lots of research yesterday and I think you are correct. Due to the lack of blood and no signs of a fight or them not getting along, I think poor baby Sparky died of natural causes. Poor Rocket, his companion, must have been as distraught as me!
He seems to be settling in now. I have just been watching him, from afar, doing laps round his cage, going through the tunnels I bought him.
I have been thinking about getting him another companion but not sure.
My last piggy was on his own and he lived a long happy life and was completely spoiled.
What are your thoughts?
 
Piggies really should be with other piggies. They are naturally herd animals. Try your nearest rescue. Recommended rescues at top of page and see if they do boar dating so that Rocket can choose a friend of his own.
 
Yes, though piggies may be happy on their own, if you were able to find a compatible friend for him, you would see another level of 'happy' and a wider range of guinea-pig behaviour. At least he doesn't appear to be pining badly at present, if he is still eating and running around, so you don't need to rush anything. Dating at a rescue would be the best bet, if you are near enough to one. If you're in the UK, you can find your nearest good rescue via the 'Rescue Locator' at the top of the page.
Hope you are feeling a bit better now, knowing that Rocket didn't kill his friend after all.

PS Just realised that Betsy had already mentioned rescues and boar-dating..
 
Hi not been on for a while. Have been bonding (successfully) with Rocket and looking for a suitable companion.
I have been in contact with a small pet shop who take in rescue pigs. Yesterday a one year old boar (Coco) was brought in and the shop owner thought he would be a good match as he has also lost his companion recently. He is also well handled and was fine with the female pig he was put with in the shop.
Today I went to see him and brought him home. Before putting him in the cage with Rocket I let him sniff Rocket's things as advised by the pet shop owner. I put him in and immediately Rocket was excited and chasing Coco around and trying to mount him! I was also advised that one of them would do this to show their dominance. I had expected it to be the other way around as Coco is more than twice the size of Rocket. I sat by the cage the whole afternoon watching them and although there was a lot of teeth chattering and chasing they seemed but I left the room for 10 minutes, and when I came back Rocket was cowering in a tunnel and there were clumps of his fur in the cage.
I lifted him out in his tunnel to check him over but he wouldn't come out. I could see that one of his eyes was weeping and looks like it could have been hurt.
I put him back in the cage and he eventually came out of his tunnel and ran into the house Coco was in! Coco didn't react and Rocket sat with him for a few minutes then returned to his tunnel.
Rocket always comes out for his fresh veggies at tea time but didn't, although he was taking food from me. Coco keeps trying to get to Rocket in the tunnel but is too big to get in and Rocket backs away to the other side. Rocket has come out of the tunnel twice now but the fist time Coco was trying to mount him and the second time Coco chased him back in.
Don't know what to do but I'm scared Rocket will get hurt and can't sit by the cage all of the time. I haven't eaten since breakfast and am a nervous wreck! I bought Coco to make Rocket happy and it seems to have done the opposite!
I have put the divider in the cage for now so I can leave the room but it's not ideal because they're not left with much space.
What should I do?
Is this normal?
Is this an incompatible pairing?
Do I risk leaving them alone again without the divider?
Help!
Ps. Sorry for such a long message! Also I videoed some of their interactions when Coco first went in the cage if that's helpful for anyone to see?
 
Hi @Scrappy Mum , sorry I didn't reply earlier but I've been unwell. I'm sorry your bonding didn't go smoothly yesterday. Unfortunately I've never had problems with boar-bonding, so I don't know if it is not going to work out at all, but maybe someone else will be able to advise. @Wiebke ?

Btw, how is Rocket's eye today? If it got hurt yesterday it might need vet attention.
 
Hi not been on for a while. Have been bonding (successfully) with Rocket and looking for a suitable companion.
I have been in contact with a small pet shop who take in rescue pigs. Yesterday a one year old boar (Coco) was brought in and the shop owner thought he would be a good match as he has also lost his companion recently. He is also well handled and was fine with the female pig he was put with in the shop.
Today I went to see him and brought him home. Before putting him in the cage with Rocket I let him sniff Rocket's things as advised by the pet shop owner. I put him in and immediately Rocket was excited and chasing Coco around and trying to mount him! I was also advised that one of them would do this to show their dominance. I had expected it to be the other way around as Coco is more than twice the size of Rocket. I sat by the cage the whole afternoon watching them and although there was a lot of teeth chattering and chasing they seemed but I left the room for 10 minutes, and when I came back Rocket was cowering in a tunnel and there were clumps of his fur in the cage.
I lifted him out in his tunnel to check him over but he wouldn't come out. I could see that one of his eyes was weeping and looks like it could have been hurt.
I put him back in the cage and he eventually came out of his tunnel and ran into the house Coco was in! Coco didn't react and Rocket sat with him for a few minutes then returned to his tunnel.
Rocket always comes out for his fresh veggies at tea time but didn't, although he was taking food from me. Coco keeps trying to get to Rocket in the tunnel but is too big to get in and Rocket backs away to the other side. Rocket has come out of the tunnel twice now but the fist time Coco was trying to mount him and the second time Coco chased him back in.
Don't know what to do but I'm scared Rocket will get hurt and can't sit by the cage all of the time. I haven't eaten since breakfast and am a nervous wreck! I bought Coco to make Rocket happy and it seems to have done the opposite!
I have put the divider in the cage for now so I can leave the room but it's not ideal because they're not left with much space.
What should I do?
Is this normal?
Is this an incompatible pairing?
Do I risk leaving them alone again without the divider?
Help!
Ps. Sorry for such a long message! Also I videoed some of their interactions when Coco first went in the cage if that's helpful for anyone to see?

Hi!

Please do not leave them without a divider and no supervision under the circumstances.

Am I correct in understanding that you have put an unquarantined unneutered boar that has come straight from being housed with a sow (which is now most likely pregnant; what a great surprise for whichever poor soul is going to adopt her!) into another boar's territory immediately upon arrival and are not happy because the two poor boys are not getting on?

Please ALWAYS do your research beforehand! We are here and are willing to answer your questions and help you to make sure that any bonding is set up properly and has the best chance possible for success (although that is never a given. Bonding guinea pigs is A LOT more tricky than just popping guinea pigs into cages.

- It is important to quarantine any new guinea pigs unless they have undergone a mandatory quarantine at a proper good standard rescue. You now have to treat both boys if the newbie has arrived with some hidden luggage.

- No boar that has been with a sow (the ultimate career aim of any boar) is going to be happy to be relegated to bachelor level, especially not when he is expected to go from one to the other straight again.

- Any guinea pig that is in new surroundings is on edge. Always give a new arrival several days to get their bearings and time to meet their future friend through the bars for several hours or even better days. That means the newbie can relax and the piggies can get to know each other before they are bonded. That takes a lot of extra stress out of a meeting.

- Guinea pigs very much have their own patch. If you drop a guinea pig into the territory of another, then dominance shoots straight through the roof and fights and tussles are pretty inevitable as the invader is feeling very wary and the invaded is generally not happy. for that reason, any bonding needs to happen on neutral territory that is not part of any of the piggies' patch. Even a bathtub or shower basin with a towel in will do the trick in a pinch.

- Boars bond via mutual mounting. Bondings usually fail when one party has had enough or doesn't accept that the other party has had enough. After initial acceptance, dominance happens to establish the hierarchy.
Please remove any hideys until the bonding has either clearly failed or the boys have settled together; it takes several days. If one of the boars is a lot smaller and still a sub-adult, then a tunnel the other piggy cannot get into can provide a refuge from excessive humping.

- You do not interrupt boar bondings unless there is a fight (and a clear fail). Every time you put them together, they have to start straight back at the start and do it all over again. Always choose a time when you can be around for a day to make sure that they get on and can be left without supervision.

- Please have that eye checked. Eye injuries can deteriorate very quickly and need prompt vet care to heal.

Before you do anything else, please read these guides carefully and fully:
Importance Of Quarantine
Illustrated Bonding / Dominance Behaviours And Dynamics
Introducing And Re-introducing Guinea Pigs
Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?

If you decide that the bonding has not worked, please consider keeping the boys next to each other in different cages for mutual company. Please do not drop the new boar back to the shop as an "aggressive boar" because that means that the boar will at the best have to spend his life as a single piggy after being failed by humans for the third and likely a fourth time through no fault of his own. I'd rather not comment on that shop and their level of the even most basic knowledge or elementary care.
 
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