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Oyster and Potential Tumour :o(

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Hi folks,

I have been a bit quiet on here since losing Pootle last month and have also been trying to concentrate on my other piggies whom 2 seemed to show symptoms of stones.
I had them both x-rayd today and the vets called me to say that Poppy does have a stone as we suspected which can be sorted and watched BUT,
Oyster, my eldest and fav piggy is showing a mass on her xray :(.
I'm going to go over it with the vets when I collect them later but basically she advised there are only 2 options - 1 is to open her up to see if they can remove it or to put her asleep if she keeps suffering.
She has always been a poorly ish pig and previous scans haven't shown anything so it must be a recent thing. She is in pain when going to the toilet (hence me thinking it was stones) - but as she has been on Lysium & Eurologist for about ten days, it could be that the previous crystals have dissolved.

Anyway, I don't know what to do and if anyone else has experience with this. I don't want her to suffer and I guess the only option is to try and remove the lump.
 
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Hey I don't have any experience of anything like this, I just wanted to say good luck what ever you choose to do, and the choice you do make will be the best choice for both Oyster and yourself. I'm also sorry to hear about Pootle, you're having a tough time of it, I hope you will have a happy ending x
 

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i think you have to try really as if you dont she will died and if you do she could die or recover and at least if she did pass away, she would pass away with you knowing you did everything possable for her.The last thing you want is to have her pts and then think after what if!

my boar had the stone removel op, but sadly 3 mths later they came back and he died, but he had a wonderful 3 mths x
 

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Poor you and Oyster :( This sounds like a similar problem that my Connie had a few years back.

She was poorly on and off for 5 months in total. She had many x rays which at the beginning showed nothing but then one of her last ones showed a kind of mass. Since Connie had been on Septrin on and off for 5 months, the vet felt it best to open her up to see what was going on. We agreed to give her a chance and the vet went ahead.

It turned out that Connie had a lot of sludge and crystals in her bladder so she had a bladder flush. We were relieved as this was the only thing the vet found.

Connie came round and we were hopeful that was the end of it as she made a big improvement. Sadly, she died 5 days later at 18 months old.

I admit that we spent a fortune trying to find out what was wrong with her and apart from the later stages where she developed the sludge and grit, it just seemed to be constant UTI's.

I am still unsure as to why Connie died but I am pleased that we at least gave her the chance.

Of course, only you know your piggy so if you feel it kinder to let her go, nobody will think bad of you.

Good luck with whatever you decide xx
 

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hi, I'm so sorry you are having such a bad time with your piggies, you must be beside yourself.

Personally, if it was me, i would go ahead with the op as there is a chance of recovery, and like Clairelove says, if Oyster dies during the op she wont know about it and shouldnt feel anything. Having said that, she is older. Is she a good weight? Only you can decide lovely.

I really hope the outcome is good for both of them, i too had a boy that had a stone removal op, unfortunately he was ill for quite some time (but hopefully not in pain) and i eventually lost him, it was devastating and so traumatic to me that the last few months of his life he was trying to recover. We got so close with syringe feeding and me constantly watching him etc.

Keeping everything crossed for you, and sending you a massive hug x>>
 

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Sorry for what you are going through. I understand a bit because I lost my piggie yesterday during an op to remove some cancerous lumps - he was 18 months old.8...
I felt guilty at first because he was still really well and if I hadn't had the op he would still be with me for a while longer but the vet said it would have been a matter of time before it spread, he would have lost weight and been in pain. Its not an easy choice, is it?
Unfortunately operations are always risky and you don't know the outcome. But on the other hand you know what the outcome is if you don't.
I am sure you will decide what is best for your piggie and I wish you all the best.
 

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I am so sorry for Oyster. I know that you are up against it and that an operation has a high likelihood of failing (either during or after). Whichever way you decide, you are in for some heartbreak and feelings of having failed Oyster; there is simply no "right" or "wrong". I have done it either way and have found that neither way is any easier!

Whichever way you decide, it must feel right for you and Oyster!
 
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One of my gps developed a growth under her chin which the vet said was inoperable. I asked that she wasn't put down because she still had quality of life - she didn't seem to be in pain and seemed happy enough in herself (she loved being out in the run and would eat the grass). However, the growth was preventing her from eating sufficient food and despite syringe-feeding her Critical Care and mushed-up oats, she passed away about a week later. It was very upsetting as she was a cheeky girl with a lot of character.

Sorry if I upset you - I know it's not what you want to hear.
 

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Hi guys,

thanks so much for all your replies. I will reply properly a bit later as I'm off to the vets shortly to collect them and so will know a bit more later.

Indeed I would choose having the op before I ever decided to put her down as then I'm not left thinking 'what if'. If she passed away during or after, then at least I had tried my best for her and I don't want her to suffer.

I kind of had a feeling that it was something more than stones as she was in pain from touching her belly even more so than usual (she has always hated her belly being touched) so I'm glad I had the xray done. Wouldn't have done had it not been for my experience with Pootle though so she is helping her fellow piggies at least in her death.

i-love-pigs - Aw I'm so sorry you lost your little one yesterday :( - it's so heartbreaking and I'm still not over Pootle so it's a big emotional time at the moment.

Thanks again - will post later!
xxxxxxx :rose
 

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Well I just got home and basically the lump is about the size of a golf ball and is in the centre of her stomach.
The vet said it's definately a hard lump and 90% sure is a tumour of some sorts as opposed to a cyst or anything else.

So the only options they gave me are to leave it or to have surgery and go in with the intention of removing it unless they deem it unoperable.

As some of you will know from piggies with this problem, they said if it's attached to the intestines then it's probably a no go and considering she is squealing when she poops and there is no stones or bladder sludge or anything else causing her pain, it's likely that the tumour is pressing on her intestines.

How on earth do I decide when to get it seen to?!?! They can't even do a biopsy either as that won't tell them what they need to know so it's either all or nothing :(

brain is fried :{
 

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I am sorry that the news isn't great :( I'm afraid only you can make the decision as difficult a it may be.

Personally, if you feel that Oyster is in pain, I would opt for the surgery but that's just me xx
 
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A tumour that size for a guinea-pig is huge. Have they given you any indication of success rate? Have they given you any guidance at all on what would be the best thing for you to do? Even if she survives the operation, how much of an impact will it have had on her ability to digest food? I can't help wondering whether it's kinder to have her pts, rather than put her through an operation that will be stressful and painful, and may leave her with more problems - leading to more stress and more pain. Please don't take this the wrong way, I know it may seem easy for me to say this because she's not my pig; I'm just not sure the op is the best thing for her.

However, she is your pig, you have spoken to the vet and only you can make the decision.
 

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I hope everything turns out ok. Sorry, I don't have any advice, but I really hope Oyster turns out ok.
 

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Hi Furries,

Basically they said that until they open her up, they won't know what they can do with it.
If it's attached to the intestines then there is high risk of problems re gut statis/leaking etc etc even if the op is a success. She said it's high risk with small furries if it's linked to the stomach so it's a case that they would have to play it by ear and decide on the day of the op.

Generally though she isn't losing weight, is eating loads etc etc and doesn't seem in alot of pain - so I think I want to at least give it a week to do more research before I commit to doing anything.

The good thing is that if the op is too risky then they will tell me what they find and I can make the decision about what to do. She may live another year with it before she suffers but of course I love her and want the best for her.
 
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Sorry, I've just re-read my previous post and I didn't mean it to sound so harsh. It's just my opinion that one of the duties of vets is to give owners dispassionate advice about when it is best to try a certain treatment and when the kindest thing is to have the animal pts. The reason I believe this is that it stops caring pet owners like you putting yourself through the agony of having to decide what is the best course of treatment, and I'm unconvinced right now that you're getting this support from your vet.
 

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How old is Oyster hon? for some reason i thought youd said she was five, but looking back i cant see it. Sorry i said as shes older :{
 

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Sorry, I've just re-read my previous post and I didn't mean it to sound so harsh. It's just my opinion that one of the duties of vets is to give owners dispassionate advice about when it is best to try a certain treatment and when the kindest thing is to have the animal pts. The reason I believe this is that it stops caring pet owners like you putting yourself through the agony of having to decide what is the best course of treatment, and I'm unconvinced right now that you're getting this support from your vet.
Oh that's ok, I didn't take it wrongly. The vets did say that the head vet who would do the op is highly skilled in surgery so he would know what to do and that if it went well, I may want to see a specialist which they can refer me to for the aftercare (they know what I'm like and push for the best for the piggies). But the problem is that they don't know what they will find so they can't really say it's too risky in case it's an easy op and she recovers well. I know it's a 50/50 chance with surgery :(
 

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oh ok, aww i feel for you having to make this decision, but i think you are doing the right thing giving it a few days. Only you know you piggy x

in the meantime....have a hug ((((((( x )))))))
 
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Oh that's ok, I didn't take it wrongly. The vets did say that the head vet who would do the op is highly skilled in surgery so he would know what to do and that if it went well, I may want to see a specialist which they can refer me to for the aftercare (they know what I'm like and push for the best for the piggies). But the problem is that they don't know what they will find so they can't really say it's too risky in case it's an easy op and she recovers well. I know it's a 50/50 chance with surgery :(
Hearing this I'd opt for the surgery. If they open her up and find nothing can be done, at least you know you did your best for her. If, however, they open her up and they can sort it out, you've also got good aftercare support.
 
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