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I don't know wtf i'm doing wrong - i have just found a barely smaller than five pence piece size of exposed, raw, leaky, bloody flesh on Nuggits side, just right of her right shoulder and an inch from her ear?!?!

It was NOT there yesterday, if it were it was very well hidden (long haired).

Basically, my other girl Poppet had this start up 3 weeks ago and it was diagnosed as mites/parasites when i thought it could be fungal.

They have BOTH been on Baytril via seringe (cant spell, tired and dyslexic) until last week, they have BOTH had all three injections of (?) Ivermectin, the last one was on Friday.

The cage has been disinfected, bedding changed, boiled the works. What am i doing wrong?!?!?!?!

My poor little girl has been itching all day, now they're both at it, fighting again. Poppet has two tiny tiny scabs appearing on the original affected area where her hair is growing back, and two bald pea sized areas where the hair has NOT come back at all. (the vet was shown this.)

I have bathed them twice, and Poppet is still beiing treated with the Surolan skin cream stuff until it runs out but now I'm having to apply it to Nuggit too.

Is this seriously parasitic? Really? They've had all the medicine and now for know reason, it has appeared 3 weeks later on my other pig?!?!?

Not only that but now Poppets voice is going raspy (like Nuggits is and always has been) and i swear i've heard popping/cracking noised from her stomach but she's heavy, with no obvious bulges.

I'm getting so f-ing wound up! I'm a clean piggy mum!
 
Oh love sorry to hear about Nuggit :(
I'd call up the vets right now and ask for some emergency advice/help.

No it sounds as if you're doing everything right xx>>>xx>>>

Just wondering if Poppet might have bitten her?

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Thank you hun, i just feel like its one thing after another!
They do nip at one another, but the severity of the wound is just too much for a fight, its exactly the same at Poppets was - i'll have to post a picture first thing because I'm falling asleep.
The hair has completely gone from the area, and there is white raised crusting around one edge of the area which what initally (in Poppets case) raised my suspicion of a fungal issue, but because the vets found tiny microscopic lice and eggs they were treated for parasites etc.

She's completely dosile as per usual mind happy, mumbling, wheeking, bouncing and even purring to Poppet for a change but she's itching.

Sigh. I called the emergency vet number again, they're saying its parasites - use a spot on pipette, i told the woman i wont bother calling them again because the spot on stuff put Poppet in sheer agony last time and caused the infected skin to get worse.
 
OK you go get a good nights sleep and then in the morning get on the phone and get an appointment for her.
Meanwhile you could gently bathe the area in plain pre boiled and cooled water, make sure their hay is in a confined spot so she doesn't lie in it.

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I don't know, Sorry. But I do hope you find out what it is. Get well soon!
 
Some times it can take quite a few ivermectin injections to get the all clear...
As far as the hair not growing back don't panic sometimes it can take months..
Popping noises can just be gas... But keep an eye on her incase she starts to feel poorly... The runs can start like that... But it's more than likely she's indulged in some farty cabbage...!
How is her voice raspy...? Like she's out of puff... Or she's got something on her chest...?
Go make yourself a cup of tea and chill... I hate those days where everything seems to be going wrong...
Big hugs bab...
Things will start to look up... And they'll start to feel better...
I'd recommend going back to the vets for another injection... And ask for an anti-inflamitory for them aswell... Can help with the itching in more server cases...
And your not doing anything wrong...! Don't feel like you are...!
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Aww keep at it hun, it'll all come right in the end :) In May this year I lost a piggy, then from June-August one of my other boys was constantly ill (eye infection, URI and then ringworm!) and then my two boys fell out. I felt like such a crap piggy mum but I eventually got them all healthy, it's all worth it in the end :)... well my two boys have still fallen out but I'm still working on that rolleyes it always seems to all happen at once, doesn't it. x
 
Sounds like it could be related to their recent parasite trouble, but it could also be a burst abscess - especially if they're prone to nipping each other.

Another vet trip unfortunately!
 
Hi Hun big hugs sorry you are going through all this. I just wanted to say that the wound sounds similar to my boys wounds when they get nipped. When they are healing the edges sort of go white and crusty! However, have you got and F10 cream? My vet swears by it it is antiseptic, anti bac, anti fungal cream and i use it on everything from wounds to fungal bits and works a treat. Also might be worth syringing your piggies some Vit C tablets or sprinkling them on their food (if you aren;t already) it helps boost the immune system and help there body heal itself. the Vit C tabs my vet supplies are Pro C. good luck it will all be ok in the end xxxxx


Also have you been using a probiotic with the baytril? might be worth it as the gurgling could be upset tummy and with all the other things the bodies are trying to heal and the baytril the maybe could do with a boost. Avipro plus is good or Fiberplex x
 
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Thank you every one =[

[*]Glynis[/*] – Good idea, i'll brush all the hay out and confine it to a trough for now!

[*]Claremw92[/*] – Raspy when she starts to wheek, like a hiss of air before the noise which she never does and these little cough sneezes once or twice in the day. A fourth Ivermectin injection and an anti-inflamitory, ok – I'm gonna write a list! I'm going to hunt down the manager first and foremost, its rant time! 6th visit this will be!

[*]Amanda1801[/*] – I dont think it's a burst abscess, there's no lose skin or obvious signs of depth to the wound, its definitely just on the surface =/ but i'll add it to my list for the vet!

[*]CgilChrist[/*] – What is F10 cream and where would I be able to get some hun? I'll ask the vet about the Vit C/Pro C stuff (another for the list). I've never heard of using a probiotic, sorry for sounding dumb but what does it do – is it like Yakult for piggies?

Thanks again everyone, this fool is learning the hard way of P@H piggies ¬_¬.
 
Here's the only decent image i can get of the area.

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That looks quite sore, bless her. Sorry haven't read the whole thread, will do so later, i;m sure there will be some good advice on here for you. healing vibes x
 
So the vet has no idea and i quote 'what it is, because it could be the immune system or bacterial'. Wow.
So, he's taken a culture and we'll find out in 3 weeks what it isn't, but not necessarily what it is. Great work team! mallethead
They've both been given shot of multi vitamins which they really did not like, and they're back on the Baytril again but this time it's going into there water instead of oral syringe to save them the trauma and we have some Pro-C Probiotic powder to sprinkle onto there nuggets.

Supposedly they were just from a bad batch of guineas, and the guy got the store manager involved after he slagged them off and made his best attempt to disassociate the Companion Care Veterinary practice. I don't know who to believe but i dont care as long as the girls are treated.
 
The Baytril is being added to their water? That seems like a fairly inaccurate way to medicate and I'm surprised the vet suggested it - sorry as I may have missed your previous posts on this, but what is the issue with using the syringe? My worry is that one pig may drink too much or not enough and it will be really hard for you to tell either way.

Sorry, as it sounds like you are having a tough time with your pigs at the moment, and I completely sympathise, particularly about syringing. Little Pig currently has a collar on (to stop him being able to nibble his wound) and although it is working very well, syringing food and medication has become a nightmare!
 
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hi sorry for the late reply i really think it is best to persevere with the syringe baytril putting it in water seems inaccurate and also might put them off the water. might be worth measuring the dose of baytril then drawing up something like pure orange/apple juice or a tiny bit of honey to make it palletable? personally the juice is best.

link to F10 barrier cream- not the same as the tub i have but the same stuff

http://www.petdrugsonline.co.uk/site.aspx?i=pr238869

you could always mix the pro c powder with a bit of water and draw it up with the measured baytril as it is flavoured ( i assume) and give it in one? apparently you can;t really overdose the vit c and extra they will wee out and they need more in times of stress and just one lot of syringing x
 
p.s the wound looks like an old nip bite that has healed and the hair has come away with the scab. i have had this a few times with bickering boys. rolleyes invermec etc is obviously good to make sure but that is what my instinct is telling me but i am not a vet! :)

also if it is a breathing infection the baytril should help that but metacalm is pain relief and anti inflammatory so may help also has a very palatable honey flavor so good to mix with the baytril. just another thought. x
 
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you could always mix the pro c powder with a bit of water and draw it up with the measured baytril as it is flavoured ( i assume) and give it in one? apparently you can;t really overdose the vit c and extra they will wee out and they need more in times of stress and just one lot of syringing x
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sorry just realised the probiotic was what you were talking about not vit c tablet. the oxbow daily-c is the vit c i give the boys and it has a fruity flavour and so mixing with the baytril might help the taste!!

https://www.thehayexperts.co.uk/Health+%2526+Hygiene.12/Daily+C+:+Vitamin+C+Tablets.252.html

link to vit c tabs x
 
kirst10 said:
So the vet has no idea and i quote 'what it is, because it could be the immune system or bacterial'. Wow.
So, he's taken a culture and we'll find out in 3 weeks what it isn't, but not necessarily what it is. Great work team! mallethead
They've both been given shot of multi vitamins which they really did not like, and they're back on the Baytril again but this time it's going into there water instead of oral syringe to save them the trauma and we have some Pro-C Probiotic powder to sprinkle onto there nuggets.

Supposedly they were just from a bad batch of guineas, and the guy got the store manager involved after he slagged them off and made his best attempt to disassociate the Companion Care Veterinary practice. I don't know who to believe but i dont care as long as the girls are treated.
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which bit of the west midlands are you...?
are you in traveling distance of lichfield...?
if you can get down to poole house vets in lichfield i'd seriously think about seeing them... katie dow is fabby... she sees all my piggies that come in... as your vet sounds a bit off... baytril in the water i would have thought is very inacurate...
hows she doing today...?
i have a few that sound like that they have lost their wheek and have nothing wrong with them... might just be how she is... but i'd keep an eye on her just incase...
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which bit of the west midlands are you...?
are you in traveling distance of lichfield...?
if you can get down to poole house vets in lichfield i'd seriously think about seeing them... katie dow is fabby... she sees all my piggies that come in... as your vet sounds a bit off... baytril in the water i would have thought is very inacurate...
hows she doing today...?
i have a few that sound like that they have lost their wheek and have nothing wrong with them... might just be how she is... but i'd keep an eye on her just incase...
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Thats 60 odd miles there & back hun and i don't drive =/ but at this rate i cant find a vet who specialises in exotics/guineas anywhere.

The scab has gotten thicker, its weird - i put sudocreme on it yesterday and today there was a heap of white around the skin and scab but that could be the creme, but today i used the Surolan since i still have some left over.

Its really impossible to tell how it was caused.
I'm starting to think they have some sort of bacterial herpes type weird skin thing you know - just based on the spontaneous-ness of it when they've been so heavily treated. My hands and fore arms are COVERED in bites from Poppet and one from Nuggit - non are infected, non are raised. I think they have something weird personally, given all the medication they've been given over the past 5 weeks.

There was a wet sudden cough/sneeze from the cage today. Poppet is making
hissing noises when she wheeks and Nuggit had a little sneeze on my knee so i cant tell who it was.

Headache.
 
Mites and Fungal can look similar.. Fungal usually starts off with a sore that soon scabs over, and then the skin around the scab will go very dry, white and flakey. It usually either starts on the rump/back or face (nose/around eyes and ears mainly).

First treat for mites, then if after a good 5 treatments it's still no better.. treat for fungal.

To me, that looks like mange mites.
 
Nuggits side had cleared up really nicely already ¬_¬ hmm. Still dry white skin at the edges and a bit of scab, still bald too, but otherwise clear by the looks of it.
Poppet's fur on has practically grown back full length too.

I just don't get it >_<
 
That looks like how my Todd gets once in a while, and he is at the moment, but it's clearing up now. I think it's fungal but it always clears up after I treat it with Spot On and insecticidal shampoo, and then rub a little Sudocrem on to sooth it. I believe now that his immune system isn't what it should be so get these skin problems, as none of my others have like his. When he was living with his brother and he had his first lot of skin problems, Oliver never got anything.

Then again, it does look like the skin has just been ripped off, you know as a child when you'd scrape your knee? It kinda looks like that so maybe Poppet has pulled her fur out, yet taken skin with it?

I'd watch she doesn't start self-mutilating, Todd began doing that the year I got him from some war wounds after he'd fell out with Harvey.

I hope she makes a full recovery and doesn't have this again.
 
I've had very similar problems with my pigs over the last few months.
See my thread here

I cam back off holiday to find my pigs in a poor state, so at first it wasn't easily identifiable whether it was mites or ring worm. I treated the pigs with ivermec spot on (beaphor), which the vet said was fine and the vet gave me surolan to put on the areas themselves. Pigs cleared up beautifully in about 4 weeks although one had a sort of mini stroke probably brought on by being so unwell.

A ringworm test didn't produce any result at this time

However, on Sat eve I noticed a small round patch of hair loss on Bella, looks identical to your pigs and my vet is 99% sure its ringworm. The other two are not showing any signs yet thankfully, and I am concerned its down to spores remaining on the wooden ramp in their house.

I boil and scrub everything so was devastated its come back so its back to the surolan and I will be treating with spot on aswell for my own piece of mind.

Will post a pic later so you can compare with yours. get some disposable gloves and wear them whenever you handle the pigs for now, and use one pair of gloves per pig.

If anyone has any other good suggestions for getting shut of ringworm I'd be grateful.

I think mites would have been easier!
 
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