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Hi

One of my sows is poorly, 2 weeks ago I took her to the vet as she constantly had a wet tummy and she was squeaking when going to the toilet, I was advised that she had fluid in her uterus that had caused an infection and Cysitus.
I was given 0.2ml of Engemycin La (To be injected every 3 days), So I gave her this med and after a week no improvement, so back to the vets.

I was advised that the fluid in her uterus had gone which was good news, but her appetite had still not improved and her weight had dropped to 690g. Also I had noticed that she was squeaking when pooing, not weeing as first thought.
I told all this to the vet and was advised that the acidic urine had made her bottom sore (Inside) so I was given inflamatory pain killers (0.2ml Dexadresson by injection every 3 days).
Injections are not easy as she has sussed what is going on now, but much better than oral antibiotics, as when they are given by injection, they bypass the gut preventing the good bacteria being destroyed.

Now 5 days on from the 2nd vet visit, she is eating abit more, but has not put on any weight and still squeaking when pooing. Her poo's are also sometimes runny (Due to the AB I think), I am giving her pro biotics, but am lost as to why there is no significant improvement?!

Shes very fussy what veg she will eat and hardly touches her dried food.

Any advice or experience please, I am lost as to what more I can do.
 
Sorry to hear your girl is poorly. As you say, the antibiotics should affect her tummy less when injected than orally, and if you're giving pro-biotics too then I don't know what else you can do. Is she eating any hay / dried grass? How is her fluid intake? Her weight is a worry. Can you get any Critical Care into her?

I've used ASAP powder from Galen's Garden, a pinch on the food or in some mashed fruit, it helps to stop the runny poohs. I've found it helpful with a couple of piggies. Captain Jack had runny poohs recently after antibiotics and was given Pro-Kolin which really did the trick (usually for cats and dogs). Has the vet given a B-vitamin injection to stimulate the appetite?

And finally -I always use Metatone tonic for sickly piggies, they seem to quite like the taste and it gives them a bit of a boost when they're not eating properly.

Hope she improves soon

Sophie
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She is eating a little hay and fresh grass, but she is not over enthusiastic about it!
Her fluid intake is fine, she drinking plenty (At least thats one good thing), she seems ok in herself apart from a little quiet, shes wheeking for veg, but when I give it to her she sniffs it and walks off.
I ma giving her milky bread as she seems to like it, so at least she is getting something into her.

No she hasnt been given a vit B injection, maybe I should ask the vet for this.
Ive been giving her metatone for a week or so, but doesnt seem to have made any difference.

She has been unwell for a while, she was on Baytril a month ago for a uterus infection, she picked up and then 2 weeks ago this happened.

Will she be ok if I give her Pro-Kolin, whilst she is still on her meds?

I will try with critical care, but she is a little so and so, when it comes to syringe feeding,:{

She is the piggie in my Avatar by the way, but shes alot smaller now due to her illness.
 
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Are you sure she does not have cystitis, possibly associated with a stone?
NB if she needs an x-ray neither a GA nor a sedative is necessary.
 
Oh but I love your avatar piggy -what is her name?

Not sure about giving Pro-Kolin at the same time as the other meds. As alcesterpigs said, could it be a uti? (is it def. when she is pooing not weeing?)

Also, another obvious thing and I'm sure you've checked, but are her teeth ok?

Sophie
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Her name is Boo
Her teeth were checked on Monday and all ok.

Ive watched her really closely and she is definately in pain when pooing not weeing. I have looked at her bottom and I can see where it is sore (Right inside the opening it is very red).

It started off as cystitus (And fluid in the uterus), the antibiotics have helped that and now apparently the acidic urine has affected her bum aswell.

I have no idea what else I can give her to encourage her to eat and put on weight.
 
If it's making the skin sore, you could apply some Bepanthen (baby nappy rash cream) to the area - that might soothe things a bit for her. If she is in pain, that will affect her eating. Cystitis can impact on pooping as well, if the urethra is painful then any poops that go along the "pipes" alongside the urethra are going to be sore on a tender urethra.

Is she well hydrated? Poops not too hard and dry?
 
Her fluid in take is fine, her poops are abit running and gloopy if anything.
I have tried applying Sudacream, but as soon as she poop's it comes off!:{:{
 
Just up todate on Boo, she is back at the vets this afternoon (3rd time) as she is still not well at all.
Although she is definately eating more hay and dried food, she has not put on any weight (Still losing) and is still squeaking when pooping.
I have a horrible feeling something deep inside is not right as the amount she is eating she should be putting on a good amount of weight not still losing it?!

Please send healing vibes for Boo Boo, I will update this once I am back from the vet.
 
oh Bonnie I'm so sorry to hear about Boo, fingers crossed its nothing bad - have they done any tests for stones or something like that?

Keep us updated on your visit today. x
 
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moonie8404 said:
oh Bonnie I'm so sorry to hear about Boo, fingers crossed its nothing bad - have they done any tests for stones or something like that?

Keep us updated on your visit today. x
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No tests for stones done so far, but I will ask for an xray today, although as she is SO thin, I am not sure she would wake up from the anesthetic.
This has been going on for about a month now, I just have no idea what is wrong, especially as she is eating almost normally now but still losing weight?
I think there is something in her intestines that is causing this as she has an upset tummy alot aswell (although this could be the anti biotics aswell).

Ive got a headache thinking about it mallethead
 
I'm so sorry for poor Boo and sending good vibes.

Vicky xx
 
I'm sorry she's still not well, it's so hard when an illness drags on. Has she ever been wormed? Has systemic fungal infection been considered? It sounds like something could be inhibiting the absorption of nutrients - my experience was systemic fungal, but I've also has success with these cases simply by worming the pig with Ivomec and Panacur.
 
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I'm sorry she's still not well, it's so hard when an illness drags on. Has she ever been wormed? Has systemic fungal infection been considered? It sounds like something could be inhibiting the absorption of nutrients - my experience was systemic fungal, but I've also has success with these cases simply by worming the pig with Ivomec and Panacur.
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I treated her with Ivermectin about 5-6 weeks ago (I used the Ivermec I use for mites), not sure if this treats worms aswell. Would worms be visible in her poop, as in humans?
I havent seen any.

I will mention systemic fungal to the vet later, is this easily treated? I'm just so worried that her body will shut down soon as she is so so tiny.
 
It's more in terms of treating any parasites in the system. Piggies can get worms, but they're not common.

Systemic fungal is easily treatable, yes. It seems to line the wall of the gut and prevent the nutrients from getting through, hence the pig can be eating very well and still lose weight. Intrafungol deals with it and is the most recommended. Dida tablets are an alternative to treat the problem. An intensive course of Panacur can help, but in this case I do think go straight in with Intrafungol - and consider worming too once she's finished the course of Intrafungol.

Good luck. I believe my Tuppy had systemic fungal, that's why her weight dropped so low and would explain why a) she smelt so terrible, and b) why even 130ml of syringe feeding a day did not affect her weight.
 
Just to repeat my post of last week, 26 April, as regards stones, there is NO need for an anaesthetic to take an x-ray.
 
alcesterpigs said:
Just to repeat my post of last week, 26 April, as regards stones, there is NO need for an anaesthetic to take an x-ray.
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How are the Xrays done, does the piggie need to be laid out flat ?
Ive never seen one done or had to have one done on any of my piggies before.
 
I'm sure AP will give you better detail, but for a quick (and sketchy!) answer for you, the pig is towel wrapped (restrained) and laid on their back. Since it only takes a second to get the necessary radiographs, the whole process is usually over and done with in a matter of minutes.

Most vets still use anesthetic as they just don't know how to keep the pig still without "knocking them out", and some do cite the excuse of "We don't want blurred images and have to do it all over again" to persuade the owners.
 
I have just got back from the vets and the prognosis is not good.

The vet suspects that she has kidney failure, she is showing all the signs (Drinking loads, Diahorrea,weight loss despite eating), to be sure they have kept Boo in and she will have an ultrasound scan later today to see what her kidneys and liver function is like. They couldnt do the scan whilst i was there as the scanner was in use.
They have also taken a poop and urine sample, these will be tested.

They are going to call me tonight with the results, but I have decided that if this is the case and her kidneys are failing I will have her PTS.

I have been thinking about this for a while and I feel it unfair to keep injecting her with various medicines, which have not made any difference to her condition.
Her weight has plummeted to 600g and this weight loss will only continue, I cannot watch her basically starve to death.

Anyway I will update you guys later once I have had the scan results.
Pls no debates on the PTS situation - Thanks
 
Perfect description of how to take a pig x-ray.
It does sound ominously like kidney failure.
I had 2 visiting sick pigs die last week,both of whom had what were very like your pig's symptoms.
One had a bladder stone, the other pig did not have a stone. Both had lost a lot of weight and showed no interest in food. They both refused syringe feeding. All I could do was give them pain-relief, both died within 36 hours.
 
The thing that hurts is that she is eating so much more than she was, but yet she obviously if not getting any of the nutrients from the food, as she's still losing weight.

I havent heard from the vet yet, not sure I want to hear the results.
 
Boo has crossed to rainbow bridge 8...The vet called with the scan results and confirmed that Boo's kidneys were failing, they were only working 50%.* Although there was no infection present, the infection she had about 6 weeks ago had caused irreversable damage and therefore I agreed to have her PTS, the vet said she would likely have passed away within 2 weeks.

As soon as I put the phone down I bust into tears and haven't stopped since.In my head I know I did the right thing and she is no longer in pain, but my heart is full of guilt for letting her go.

I recently changed my vets and I feel so angry and guilty that she was not treated correctly the first time I took her to my old vets about 6-7 weeks ago.Thankfully this new vet is brilliant and I feel 100% confident in her.I cannot believe my darling Boo Boo has gone, she was such a gorgeous, noisy and friendly piggy.*

She has been in my bedroom for the past month and she greets me every morning with a wheek and a little sniff of my face.

Rest in Peace my baby girl, missing you already x


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I am so sorry for your loss. We were all hoping for much better news. You did so much for Boo, letting her go was the last thing you could do for her and I am sure she is grateful for everything you did. She'll always be with you, in your heart.

Rest well, beautiful Boo. xx
 
I'm so, so sorry that this wasn't a happy ending... bless you, you did the right thing though, she would only have suffered further. Sleep well Boo.

Sending big big hugs

Sophie
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