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Sudden unexplained death....

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Hi everyone

For those who know me already will know that we lost Tufty a few weeks ago, we believe to old age and possible bloat. We lost another guinea Squeak before Christmas who was terribly small and we think she was too cold even though we gave her plenty of bedding and a large heat mat and she was with her sister. Tonight we have suddenly lost one of our others. When I went to check on them all this morning he was absolutely fine, food had been eaten, water drank and he was snuggled up with his cage friend and looked absolutely fine. I have been in to see them all tonight, feed them again etc and he had gone. He wasn't cold so I'm reluctant to think the cold has got him. There was no physical sign of trauma or injury so I cannot believe that he was sick in any way. I cannot understand why he has so suddenly died. He is housed with a rabbit and has been since the beginning. They get on really well and have never ever shown any sign of agresssion towards each other. Rebel is a very small netherland dwarf and the guinea was about the same size as him. I find it extremely unlikely that Rebel has done this to him, especially when the rabbit himself was showing increased signs of distress as he was taken away. They always snuggle up together, eat together and get on very well. Last night we did put Snowball and Rebel on straw as bedding overnight. Could this have caused it? I doubt it, not so quickly. There have been no immediate changes in diet. They were on rabbit pellets for a very short time but the vet said it would be ok for him. They were put back onto guinea pig pellets about 4 weeks ago and they were, for the most part, on guinea pig pellets the whole time so again I'm reluctant to think this has killed him and indeed so quickly. Both Rebel and Snowball were 3 in November (even this is not certain). Could it have been a heart attack or possible stroke that got him? He wasn't cold when I found him and rigor mortis hadn't set in at all. He is still limp now but I'm fairly certain his life has gone as his heart doesn't seem to be beating and he isn't breathing and isn't showing any signs of life. Could anyone possibly give me a reason why this may have happened? He was absolutely fine this morning, squeaking and carrying on as usual and this evening he has gone.......8...
 
oohhh what a shame it could be a number of things which caused it but it is poss that the rabbit bucked his back legs and poor guinea was behind him at the time:( guinea pigs do have very soft insides which can be damaged very easily which can cause internal bleeding, i doubt it would be aggression from the rabbit but has you said this morning he was fine and we on here has seen and heard of many of cases were rabbits and guineas have been living together for years then the rabbit has bucked his legs and some real bad damage has been done,this is the only thing that i can think of why your guinea died.
myself 20 yrs ago had a guinea and rabbit together and after 3yrs of them together i found the guinea dead he had no illness so i can only think that the bunny did it but didn't mean it as rabbits kick there back legs all the time has its a natural thing to do...:(
I'm so sorry for your loss:(
 
A sudden death always begs the question "Why and how?"
Whilst keeping a rabbit and pig together is not recommended for a number of reasons I am inclined to think that the cause of death was heart failure.
He was at the age where, I suspect, that heart failure is the most common cause of sudden death.
 
Heart problems are much more common than people realise in pigs and symptoms can present themselves from the age of three onwards. I myself lost a piggy who had always been kept indoors to kidney failure two years ago. She was nearly three and I believe she had an underlying heart problem as heart and kidney problems are very related.

To be honest, the only way you will know for sure is to have a postmortem.
 
Oh, what a shame. I am sorry. Having lost piggies myself due to heart failure I know how shocking and upsetting it is. Its so difficult not to worry and wonder if you could have done things differently.
But really you will gain nothing by worrying. If you can, put the ifs and buts out of your mind and remember that he had a happy home with you. No piggy can ask for more whether their life is long, or as in this sad case, shorter than you would both have wished -c
 
Whats more shocking to me is that we have lost 3 in the space of 6 weeks. 3 guineas too. Just makes us look like bad owners when this happens and we're not at all. They're loved, fed, looked after, cuddled and everything but it just makes us look like we're done something to them. I feel so guilty for his death, as I have with them all. I just don't understand why we're losing them, and so quickly. Fine in the morning, dead by evening.....
 
Very sorry, it could have been anything don't blame yourself, I lost one in october from teeth problems now the other one has them, sometimes its just not fair.
 
Whats more shocking to me is that we have lost 3 in the space of 6 weeks. 3 guineas too. Just makes us look like bad owners when this happens and we're not at all. They're loved, fed, looked after, cuddled and everything but it just makes us look like we're done something to them. I feel so guilty for his death, as I have with them all. I just don't understand why we're losing them, and so quickly. Fine in the morning, dead by evening.....

Unfortunately, 'fine one minute, dead the next' is quite normal for guineas as they hide any illness so well for as long as possible. It's always sad to lose several in a short space of time, I know how you feel. But you can't blame yourself, they could all be unrelated deaths and some piggies just live longer than others. I've had unexplained deaths here frequently (I run a rescue) and it's often the younger pigs that just die for no apparent reason. At least it was quick.

Sending hugs

Sophie
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You're right in what you say. Its not fair. He was the last of our boy guineas, now we have just the 3 girls. Its what happens I suppose when you keep lots of rabbits and guineas that you could potentially lose a few in a short space of time. I just hope he didn't suffer at the end. He teeth aren't bared and his face doesn't look distressed so it doesn't honestly look like he did suffer but I guess we'll never know and maybe its best if we don't
 
I know this is probably going to sound silly but I've been to see him again this morning. He is still very limp. I'm fairly certain that he has gone as he hasn't moved or anything and I can't feel a heart beat or anything but he is still terribly limp. Rigor mortis doesn't seem to have set in. Is this normal? I doubt he is still with us since he hasn't taken a breath, to my knowledge, in the last 12 hours. How is this explained? Is it normal?
 
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