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Americans still don't have an Elected President after little over a week since we all voted.
There are allegations of fraud everywhere. Republicans on the Trump side have many witnesses who came forward, who will testify to witnessing fraud.
I am rather discouraged that the country is in such a dark place.
 

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Eh?! So they have to investigate the fraud and so in the meantime Biden hasn’t actually won? 😳
 

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Technically any presidential election result isn't final until the Electoral College has met and voted, I believe? And that doesn't happen for a week or two yet. And the president-elect doesn't take over until mid January, so there's time to sort out this kind of mess.
@Seven7 , do you know what is happening with regard to all these lawsuits Trump said he would bring? Has he got any under way, and how long will they take to be dealt with etc?
 

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All started with the Mail-In-Voting. Democrats on the Biden side, pushed the idea of mail-in-voting citing coronavirus. Republicans disagreed about mail-in-voting, saying it will cause chaos.
There were over 60 million absentee mail-in-votes sent out to people who never requested them, all in Democrat states. This is a coordinated effort from the Biden campaign to undermine the integrity of election, and threat to our Constitution of the US.

—These 60 million mail-in-ballots have endless issues.
—Dead people were sent ballots and have voted, then counted.
—Some voted several times, according to witness and observer.
—Underaged children were sent ballots and voted.

Many witnesses came forward saying Dominion ballot counting machine had “Glitches” and gave the votes to Biden, the votes meant for Trump.

From the Trump side, and according to sworn testimonies, they have 240 pages of legal documents with plenty of proof that this election was rigged. To make the matters worse, there are 6 more states having this same issue.
 

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@Seven7 - that's really fascinating, as its a very different perspective to that we get through British media. Could I ask which news sources you'd suggest if we want to do more research?

I find it both fascinating (and mildly terrifying) just how partisan most reporting is and how hard it is to get to the facts, with spin from neither side - in fact I'm not sure its possible, so I try and at least look at both sides of the argument.
 

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@Seven7 - that's really fascinating, as its a very different perspective to that we get through British media. Could I ask which news sources you'd suggest if we want to do more research?

I find it both fascinating (and mildly terrifying) just how partisan most reporting is and how hard it is to get to the facts, with spin from neither side - in fact I'm not sure its possible, so I try and at least look at both sides of the argument.
:agr:
 

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Hannity, Tucker Carson, Laura Ingraham shows at Fox News cover the election. @Tangle
OANN, and NewsMax are the News Stations covering election as well.
Thank you, @Seven7 . Everyone seems to cover the election! But human nature does tend to steer us towards sources that allow us to maintain our confirmation bias. I'll have a look around this evening 👍 .
 

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As l understands it president has to be declared by 20th January, if no clear winner, the president will be the speaker of the House, weird!
 

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See the way I understood it was that the vast majority of official bodies would say that there IS a clear winner - its just that the individual who would then be the clear loser is refusing to acknowledge it and is muddying the waters by making allegations without providing any evidence to support them. (Oh - and also has an awful lot of power to affect the smooth transition across the change in presidential cycle.)

I really really hope that Trump and his supporters can supply reputable evidence to support and justify their claims - just by making them they have done huge damage to the trust that swathes of the public have in the process of election within the USA that will be hard to restore. That's not good regardless of the outcome, but if the claims turn out to be spurious and the act of a bad loser it would be a complete tragedy.
 

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Hannity, Tucker Carson, Laura Ingraham shows at Fox News cover the election. @Tangle
OANN, and NewsMax are the News Stations covering election as well.
Fox News was removed here in the UK because no one is watching it. Full of far right wing media. Those 3 people you mentioned are Trump fanatics btw. Like the other news outlets you mentioned.
 

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Dominion voter ballot counting machine is in question with the owner, public officials on Democrat side, owning large shares in the stock market.
This Dominion counting machine Glitched, followed by lowered Trump vote count while increasing the same number on the Biden side.
While on LIVE CNN news coverage, Trump’s vote number decreased and at the same time, Biden number showed an increase of the same exact count.
I don’t see how Dominion machines count Backwards, so the number for Trump decreased on LIVE TV, CNN, while the same exact number increased on Biden side.
 

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Huge big issue is, this Dominion vote counting machine was used in 25 states.
I’ve never seen a voting machine count backwards on a live TV, while giving the same exact number increase on the opponent’s side.
There are lawsuits already filed to this Dominion Company. Trump team captured images of this backwards counting machine, and filed lawsuits.
 

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Huge big issue is, this Dominion vote counting machine was used in 25 states.
I’ve never seen a voting machine count backwards on a live TV, while giving the same exact number increase on the opponent’s side.
There are lawsuits already filed to this Dominion Company. Trump team captured images of this backwards counting machine, and filed lawsuits.
I'll look in more detail later, but Snopes had this: It covers both the observed counting anomalies and links to the Democrat party. They're normally pretty good with checking, and providing, their sources. (For those that don't wish to click - they found the counting issue to be human error that has been corrected, and that there are no stronger financial links to the Democrats than there are to the Republicans)
 

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As an American I can agree it’s a big mess and a shame that we are ripping ourselves apart. I don’t think the election was fraudulent, and all the evidence seems very slim, but I am hopeful that whoever ends up sitting president for the next four years will work to unite us rather than encourage discord. It’s a hard time for everyone right now, we need to support each other as much as we can. Big hugs from someone on “the other side”.
 

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I live in Michigan, one of the highly contested state, and always on the news.
I was flabbergasted when I received an Absentee ballot which I never requested back in October.
I reported this to the Fraud Hotline that Trump team provided and filed a written report.
 

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I voted in person this time like the last time in 2016.
 

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Hey UK people....that's crazytown talk you're reading. This isnt Bush V Gore in 2000. Which was over a few thousand votes in one county in one state. Biden won by tens of thousands in several states. His lawsuits have zero evidence cited of fraud that would come close to turning over the results.

It's all wishful thinking on the part of an insane man. The sources I listen to on INDEPENDANT radio...Michael Smerconish and Dan Abrams...look them up, they're both attorneys...say he has NO chance. There's NO evidence of widespread fraud. Just garden variety mistakes (none in numbers remotely enough to change anything).

Lots of CRAZY CRAZY consipracy theories though. Like a super computer that changed all the votes. Fake ballots with no "watermark" (real ones dont have one either) and on and on.

I live in Pennsylvania. I voted by mail to avoid being in line with scary gun loving wackos.

MANY states have all mail in. It's nothing new. The republicans just hate that it makes it easier to vote. My husband stood in line for 2 hours to vote.

I'm fired up. Let them have their investigation! Then the LOSER can LOSE TWICE!
 

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I'll look in more detail later, but Snopes had this: It covers both the observed counting anomalies and links to the Democrat party. They're normally pretty good with checking, and providing, their sources. (For those that don't wish to click - they found the counting issue to be human error that has been corrected, and that there are no stronger financial links to the Democrats than there are to the Republicans)
According to IT specialists, these “Simultaneous Glitches” happening in highly contested states at the same time means Fraud. Adding this to the backwards counting on Live TV, CNN, is all in the lawsuit from Trump side.

Senator Feinstein’s husband owns over 60% of Dominon Voting machine stock. There is a connection to Speaker Pelosi also, but I don’t know if Trump can make connections in the lawsuit though.
 

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Another thing. The House and the Senate. The Senate is WAY more important than the presidency. With an opposing party in control of the senate, a president can not get much done.

If the dems rigged the election, why on EARTH would they not have won control of the senate?

As we say in PA...yeah no.

Trump is nothing but a spoiled baby who cant stand to lose.
 
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