what foods to feed for healthy happy tummy

[choloe]

hllo,
most of you hav bn following zo's progrss for which w ar vry gratful. now if you ra a copy of any's mail from maryh's vt surgry who has on a GP nutrition cours(wish thy ha[COLOR=Black] GP cours[COLOR=Black]s h[COLOR=Black]r[COLOR=Black] :tick[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]off: :tick[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]off: :tick[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]off i am op[COLOR=Black]n to sugg[COLOR=Black]stions to what to f[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] zo[COLOR=Black] an[COLOR=Black] j[COLOR=Black]ssi[COLOR=Black] th[COLOR=Black] guin[COLOR=Black]as an[COLOR=Black] falin[COLOR=Black] th[COLOR=Black] loon[COLOR=Black]y bu
[color[COLOR=Black]navy]D[COLOR=Black]ar Mary,
Sorry to h[COLOR=Black]ar that zo[COLOR=Black] is having probl[COLOR=Black]ms. From what you hav[COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]scrib[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] I [COLOR=Black]o not think that sh[COLOR=Black] has any r[COLOR=Black]nal issu[COLOR=Black]s. From a [COLOR=Black]i[COLOR=Black]tary point of vi[COLOR=Black]w I think that th[COLOR=Black]r[COLOR=Black] ar[COLOR=Black] a numb[COLOR=Black]r of things that can b[COLOR=Black] improv[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] on in h[COLOR=Black]r [COLOR=Black]i[COLOR=Black]t. As a rough rul[COLOR=Black] of thumb I woul[COLOR=Black] sugg[COLOR=Black]st that sh[COLOR=Black] shoul[COLOR=Black] not b[COLOR=Black] f[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] anything that you can [COLOR=Black]at yours[COLOR=Black]lf or anything you woul[COLOR=Black] consi[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]r sw[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]t. G.pigs [COLOR=Black]ig[COLOR=Black]st th[COLOR=Black]ir foo[COLOR=Black] by using sp[COLOR=Black]cial bact[COLOR=Black]ria that th[COLOR=Black]y stor[COLOR=Black] in th[COLOR=Black]ir guts. All of th[COLOR=Black] nutritional things w[COLOR=Black] r[COLOR=Black]comm[COLOR=Black]n[COLOR=Black] is to k[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]p this population of bact[COLOR=Black]ria in as goo[COLOR=Black] a h[COLOR=Black]alth as possibl[COLOR=Black]. Th[COLOR=Black] bact[COLOR=Black]ria n[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] long chain carbohy[COLOR=Black]rat[COLOR=Black]s to surviv[COLOR=Black] which is what w[COLOR=Black] woul[COLOR=Black] t[COLOR=Black]rm roughag[COLOR=Black]. Th[COLOR=Black]r[COLOR=Black]for[COLOR=Black] anything with a c[COLOR=Black]llulos[COLOR=Black] c[COLOR=Black]ll wall is i[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]al. This inclu[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]s all grass[COLOR=Black]s an[COLOR=Black] varioous nativ[COLOR=Black] plants from th[COLOR=Black] UK. I am not sur[COLOR=Black] what woul[COLOR=Black] b[COLOR=Black] suitabl[COLOR=Black] nativ[COLOR=Black] plants wis[COLOR=Black] in Aus but anything suitabl[COLOR=Black] for cattl[COLOR=Black] woul[COLOR=Black] b[COLOR=Black] fin[COLOR=Black]. Also things lik[COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black]ock[COLOR=Black]t an[COLOR=Black] various sala[COLOR=Black] l[COLOR=Black]av[COLOR=Black]s along th[COLOR=Black] sam[COLOR=Black] sort of lin[COLOR=Black]s. Also h[COLOR=Black]rbs ar[COLOR=Black] gr[COLOR=Black]at corrian[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]r basil an[COLOR=Black] parsl[COLOR=Black]y ar[COLOR=Black] favourit[COLOR=Black]s. You shoul[COLOR=Black] stay away from short chain carbs which ar[COLOR=Black] sugar typ[COLOR=Black] pro[COLOR=Black]ucts. Th[COLOR=Black]s[COLOR=Black] ar[COLOR=Black] foun[COLOR=Black] in all storag[COLOR=Black] typ[COLOR=Black] plants things lik[COLOR=Black] potato[COLOR=Black] carrot sw[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]tcorn broccoli [COLOR=Black]tc.
From what you ar[COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]scribing I woul[COLOR=Black] sugg[COLOR=Black]st that this is all th[COLOR=Black] probl[COLOR=Black]m you hav[COLOR=Black] th[COLOR=Black]r[COLOR=Black] nothing mor[COLOR=Black] sinist[COLOR=Black]r than that.
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as w hav[COLOR=Black] no i[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]a of th[COLOR=Black] nativ[COLOR=Black] plants of australia, nor [COLOR=Black]o i un[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]rstan[COLOR=Black] this c[COLOR=Black]llulos[COLOR=Black] c[COLOR=Black]ll, h[COLOR=Black] has m[COLOR=Black]ntion[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] 3 no no's which ar[COLOR=Black] th[COLOR=Black] girls favourit[COLOR=Black]s-carrots, sw[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]tcorn an[COLOR=Black] brocoli. what about appl[COLOR=Black]s, wat[COLOR=Black]r or rockm[COLOR=Black]lon rin[COLOR=Black]s? :-\ :-\ :-\
what [COLOR=Black]o you sugg[COLOR=Black]st as i [COLOR=Black]on't want to giv[COLOR=Black] zo[COLOR=Black] a tummy ups[COLOR=Black]t again. :'( :'( :'(

any sugg[COLOR=Black]stions foo[COLOR=Black] wis[COLOR=Black] woul[COLOR=Black] b[COLOR=Black] gr[COLOR=Black]atly appr[COLOR=Black]ciat[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]. it is a gr[COLOR=Black]at r[COLOR=Black]li[COLOR=Black]f that an[COLOR=Black]y [COLOR=Black]o[COLOR=Black]sn't think it is ki[COLOR=Black]n[COLOR=Black]ys or anything nasty. i hav[COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black]mail[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] an[COLOR=Black]y again an[COLOR=Black] thank[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] him. an[COLOR=Black] i woul[COLOR=Black] lik[COLOR=Black] to thank maryh an[COLOR=Black] h[COLOR=Black]r v[COLOR=Black]t [COLOR=Black]r ann[COLOR=Black] taylor an[COLOR=Black] all of you for your conc[COLOR=Black]rn for zo[COLOR=Black], support to m[COLOR=Black] an[COLOR=Black] all your a[COLOR=Black]vic[COLOR=Black]. you ar[COLOR=Black] all won[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]rful an[COLOR=Black] may go[COLOR=Black] bl[COLOR=Black]ss you all an[COLOR=Black] your piggi[COLOR=Black]s. 0 :smitt[COLOR=Black]n: 0 :smitt[COLOR=Black]n: saying thanks for all you hav[COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black]on[COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black]o[COLOR=Black]sn't s[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Black]nough but i m[COLOR=Black]an it from th[COLOR=Black] bottom of my h[COLOR=Black]art, zo[COLOR=Black] m[COLOR=Black]ans so much to us an[COLOR=Black] thanks to you all an[COLOR=Black] zo[COLOR=Black]'s fight spirit sh[COLOR=Black] will b[COLOR=Black] with us for a whil[COLOR=Black] y[COLOR=Black]t. so again i say [color[COLOR=Black]r[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]][siz[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black]7]THANKY[COLOR=Black]U EVE[COLOR=Black]Y[COLOR=Black]NE!!![/siz[COLOR=Black]]

 

[Black Jack]

That sounds really positive and his advice doesn't seem to difficult to follow. Good luck and God Bless Zoe 0 :smitten: O0

 

[choloe]

yes it does seem easy to follow but don't understand this bit as we have no idea of the native plants of australia, nor do i understand this cellulose cell,
thought the first veggie i would introduce would either be an old favourite parsely or celery or a new veggie altogether in cauliflower. what do you all think? i would be doing it slowly over a space of 3 days and then slowly introducing another veggie. thanks again. hugs and cuddles to you and your furbabies. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

 

[maryh]

This is a very,very difficult subject.I have talked with Andy before about this.What he recommends ,in an ideal world,would be brilliant.After all in the wild they would not eat brocolli, cabbage etc.But,unfortunately few of us live in an ideal world.Not a lot of us have access to native plants,and if you did you would have to be well up in botany because a lot of wild plants look very similar.Also parsley is high in calcium which could ,in large amounts,predispose them to renal calculli.

I stick by my rule,moderation and variety.I do not get much in the way of digestive upsets with my pigs.

I give a small portion of mixed veg,3 - 4 times a day.They have 2 or 3 different veg at each meal and I try not to give the same veg on 2 days running.

I do give rocket and parsley and coriander,also basil .,but not everyday.Another problem for most of us is of course that herbs are very expensive.!

I think that in the case of pigs like Zoe who have an actual problem,it is well worth trying what Andy has suggested,less the wild plants.

There is a very long list of wild plants suitable for gps but as I said,unless you are sure what they are you have to be careful.Also of course,you cannot gather plants that could have been polluted from car fumes or dogs.

Herb Bennet
bramble
chickweed
dandelion
shepherds purse
chicory
red clover
white clover
coltsfoot
knapweed
common mallow
greater plantain
sow thistle
common vetch
water cress
There are a lot more!

 

[choloe]

i don't know many of those on your list, but i thought dandelions were a laxative? i will give her veggies in small amounts. can get watercress at the fruit and veg shop.
think i will try corriander, basil, parsley, celery, cauliflower, spinach/or silverbeet,watercress, grass, bits of apple,carrot,oaten hay, rocket. and once in a blue moon bits of water or rockmelon rind. hopefully this will be suitable for zoe. will continue to try with the pellets but whether it be lucerne or oxbow pellets jessie and zoe won't eat them.
what do you all think of the mix grain you can buy at fodder stores? is this any good for them or has it too many carbs etc.
have weighed the girls monday zoe was 0.900grams and jessie 1100 grams. weighed zoe yesterday and she was 1000grams, so either my scales are out of whack or she has put on 100 grams in 24 hours. will weigh her again today. please advise on the mix. will keep you posted. hugs and cuddles to you all. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

 

[maryh]

Yes Dandelion is a laxative and diuretic but as with most things is safe in small amounts.I have pmd you.

 

[choloe]

well today i added a little cauliflower to zoe's grass and hay diet, so far (touching wood ) all is going well. bought a bale of hay today-oaten and it is so dead and dry looking hoping it is safe for the girls. :-\ :-\ :-\ we tried about 7 fodder stores, some were the same others worse and 1 didn't have any hay. it is due to this drought we are in, the last decent rain we had was in october. :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: since then we have only had annoying drizzle. :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: as for zoe's weight she hasn't gained nor lost since weighed at the vet. about 8 days ago weighed at the vet she was 0. 875grams she is now 0.900grams cause there is the difference in the scales etc. this damn hay problem is only going to get worse with the lack of rain. thanks for all your replies and advice. hugs and cuddles to you and your furbabies. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: really hoping the hay doesn't upset zoe's tummy again nor jessies or faline the bunnies. :-\ :-\ :-\ :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:

 

[choloe]

hello went to feed zoe just now and she had a soft poop again, green and smelly. :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:we have no idea whether it was due to the small amount of cauilflower or due to the dried dead looking hay we have been forced to feed them. :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:a going back to the vet tomorrow to see where we go from here. for now she is back on a grass/hay diet. will keep you posted. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: there is no way zoe will be getting a blood test, may try a probiotic again or poops from jessie. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

 

[choloe]

for some reason, zoe has decided not to eat the grass. she has eaten the hay but didn't touch the grass. keeping a close eye on her and will go to the vet which opens in a few hours. there has to be some underlying problem to be causing all this problem. hoping we get to the bottom of it soon. hugs and cuddles. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: