Would This Be Possible? (bonding)

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After the unexpected death of one of my boars, Nidhogg, the other one (Sidrun) has been lonely and I really think we should adopt some friends for him. I think introducing another boar would be very difficult, so Sidrun is going to be neutered in 9 days (26.04). My question is, how many sows would be ideal? We have expanded the cage so it is now about 4 square meters. We would really like to have more than 1 (possibly up to 3 or 4), but we are afraid that there would be fights happening. Would bonding with 3 sows be possible?
The sows we would be adopting would be babies, would that cause a problem since Sidrun is so big? If any fights happen, size would be a very big disadvantage for the baby sow.
 
Sorry for the double post, I made a mistake - the cage is 3 square meters (32 square ft).
 
That's a good size cage, and three females would be a good combo if they all get on. He'll love having wifeys, just remember to wait the full 6 weeks post op, or you could end up with rather more than 4 piggies. lol You could get him some females now and they could do their quarantine period while he waits out his 6 weeks. There's some good info on bonding here - Behaviour and Bonding

You could then keep him next to them to let them get to know each other until you have a day to do the bonding.
 
After the unexpected death of one of my boars, Nidhogg, the other one (Sidrun) has been lonely and I really think we should adopt some friends for him. I think introducing another boar would be very difficult, so Sidrun is going to be neutered in 9 days (26.04). My question is, how many sows would be ideal? We have expanded the cage so it is now about 4 square meters. We would really like to have more than 1 (possibly up to 3 or 4), but we are afraid that there would be fights happening. Would bonding with 3 sows be possible?
The sows we would be adopting would be babies, would that cause a problem since Sidrun is so big? If any fights happen, size would be a very big disadvantage for the baby sow.

Hi! You can keep a neutered boar with any number of sows. I currently have 6 'husboars' (slang for neutered boars living with sows); they live with 1-4 sows each. The biggest group I ever had was 13 sows living with their patriarch Hywel.

Size is not a problem. The babies are so agile that they can rung rings around your boy even if his brain is temporarily taken over by his gonads when meeting sows for the first time. My Carwyn was so big, he could stand with his feet on the ground while mating Heini - but it was love at first sniff between the two and has been for the last 3 years. :D
There won't be any fights with him; youngsters are desperate for the guidance of an adult. What you will however experience is dominance behaviour between the sows as they establish a sow hierarchy. The first few seasons are going to be very much on the lively side.
Your space is large enough for a group of 4-6 piggies.

Please be aware that you need to wait 6 weeks after the operation until he is 100% safe to go with sows; the little baby in my avatar picture is the unplanned daughter of a supposedly safe over 5 weeks post-neutering operation boar (not one of mine).

Please make sure that you double check the gender of any new arrivals. Mis-sexing is sadly very common. They should also not have been with any boars over 3 week old or they may be pregnant.
Sexing Guide

Please take the time to read these guides; you should find them very helpful:
Neutered / De-sexed Boars And Neutering Operations: Myths And Facts

Bonding: Illustrated Dominance Behaviours And Dynamics
Sow Behaviour
When Sows Experience A Strong Season (videos)

Cage Size Guide

'Husboar' 1 year old Barri on the left, his 3 year old first lady Briallen and his new two little 7 weeks old wifelets, sisters Meleri and Miaren who are the offspring of a pregnant pet shop piggy
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Excellent! Herds are fun.

A few of my fluffies. There are seven altogether a boar and his six sows.

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The lucky boar, Cufflinks or Caramel (cant have too many names)!

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This was my herd at its largest 5 years ago. Of the 14 piggies, 6 are still alive although rather elderly now. Hywel, the husboar, is on the left.
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This was my herd at its largest 5 years ago. Of the 14 piggies, 6 are still alive although rather elderly now. Hywel, the husboar, is on the left.
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Oh.. my... god! That is the absolute coolest thing I have ever seen! It is kind of a dream for me and my husband to have a really big herd of piggies, but we can't accomplish that until we are able to buy a bigger house. How big was the cage for this amazing herd? Also... how the hell did you manage to get them all to stay in one place for the picture? I am struggling with my three girls already haha
 
Oh.. my... god! That is the absolute coolest thing I have ever seen! It is kind of a dream for me and my husband to have a really big herd of piggies, but we can't accomplish that until we are able to buy a bigger house. How big was the cage for this amazing herd? Also... how the hell did you manage to get them all to stay in one place for the picture? I am struggling with my three girls already haha

Hi! I have slowly built up the group over the course of 4-5 years around a dominant piggy (it doesn't matter whether that is a neutered boar like in the case of my Llewelyn and his successor Hywel) or a dominant sow.
Not every piggy is right for a large group. My Tribe were all rescue adoptees. I have been very careful to only adopt submissive sows or sows with a group background. The last thing you

You have to accept that not all piggies get on and - as group behaviour is a dynamic process - that things can go wrong; with the Tribe this happened after the old (and by then somewhat frail) First Lady was toppled in a coup and the new one started a reign of terror which lead to unrest and ultimately my having to split the group. By then I also had a special group for my elderlies who were getting too frail for the large group and a dedicated cataract group. The fact that larger groups can become unstable and end with bullying and constant strife is an experience that other forum members have also made. It is not quite as easy as adding more and more guinea pigs. You always need to have a plan B and be aware of your limitations as much as anything else.

Having a group has been a childhood dream of mine. It has taken only about 30 years to make it come true. I was able to only have a pair for the first 5 years when I came back to having guinea pigs again, but it was not wasted time. I learned a lot about guinea pig behaviours and needs during that time, which has come in very handy later.

Since the Tribe years, I have adopted more and more stuck in rescue or difficult to bond piggies, which has meant that I have mostly pairs and trios and only a couple of medium sized groups (4-5 piggies) at the moment. A lot depends on the personality mix; piggies are first and foremost personalities. If you have piggies that both want to be top and neither is willing to step back, a relationship is never going to work.

That was my old set-up with free roaming in the living room
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This is my current set-up; the piggies get roaming time in turn and depending on their need.
My older piggies often can't wait to get back into a cleaned cage while my younger piggies need more time to stretch their legs!
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So glad Sidrun is going to get companions soon.
Hope all goes well with his op and it will be lovely to see him with his girls when you get them.
Hope you are bearing up after losing Nidhogg
 
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