2 sows bonding 2 sows

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Hi I’m new to Guinea pigs. I have watched lots of videos and done research before taking the plunge. I bought 2 bonded sows (1year) and am introducing 2 bonded sows (2 year). I’ve not done the neutral cage thing as I was told it’s not so necessary for females. I did deep clean the younger sows cage before the intro. The very experience m Guinea pig sanctuary I got the older ones said just to go for it. Plenty of hay, hides water bottles and nibbles. I have virtually filled the 11 ft square cage with hay. The younger dominant one is chasing a lot the newbies. Lots of squeals. At some points there’s a sudden commotion with all 4 running and seems like a huge fight is about to start. Can I leave them overnight alone? It’s scaryA bigger 16 ft square cage is coming soon. Does light and darkness make a difference? The older ones are much tamer than the younger ones and maybe less aggressive because of that ?
Any advice appreciated! Thanks Rob
 
Welcome to the forum

I’m afraid the advice you have been given is completely incorrect and is likely to cause huge issues. Neutral territory is completely essential for every bonding.

Please immediately end the bonding and separate them if they are fighting or if acceptance isn’t occurring.

Adult piggies ideally need to live in side by side cages for a week or so to get to know each other between the bars before you attempt to bond them. There is no point in trying to bond new, scared piggies or piggies who until the point of bonding were unaware of the presence of the others. Allowing them a week or so side by side allows them to settle in and get to know each other a bit before you put them on neutral territory.

You absolutely must do a bonding properly on neutral territory.
No hides should ever be used in a bonding pen because they create territories, and the whole point of a bonding pen being neutral is that no territories can or should form.
You cannot just put new piggies into the cage/territory belonging to others (even if you have cleaned it). It will be seen as an invasion and will cause a fight and failed bonding. Your dominant sow is defending her territory.

An 11sq ft cage is not big enough to have four piggies in any event so it was not a good idea to try to bond them somewhere without enough room. If it was an experienced rescue that you got the piggies from then they should know that 11sq ft is not big enough and reputable rescues would not allow piggies to be rehomed where there is lack of space and while also providing poor bonding advice.
I would also be questioning their quarantine status. Piggies from anywhere other than a reputable rescue should be quarantined for two weeks in a separate room from your other piggies before having any contact with your piggies.

If they are able to stay together through this (Ie if the bonding has not failed) then when you change the cage to a bigger cage, it will cause them to have to reestablish their bonding all over again so further rounds of dominance for two weeks (bonding in the first place takes a total of two weeks following a successful neutral territory introduction in any event). Therefore they should go into the right size cage straight away (once moved from the neutral pen to their permanent cage) to avoid new rounds.

Light/dark does not make a difference.

You are also attempting a combination of piggies which could have issues.
Joining two already bonded adult pairs means there is already a dominant sow in each pairing. Due to the fact a herd will not work for two dominant sows, it means that when merging, one of the dominant sows has to be prepared to step down and lose her position. That is usually not something they are prepared to do (particularly once they are older*) so you need to be prepared that this bonding may not be successful, particularly if you don’t do the bonding properly.

*we would have recommended that piggies younger than your original 1 year old pair were introduced ie babies. That way they would have been more likely to submit to your 1 year old dominant sow and the bonding go well whereas a 2 year old dominant is not likely to submit to a piggy younger than her. You would never be advised by us to try a bonding which disrupts the existing hierarchy like adding a 2 year old pair would do.
The older sows get they tend to get less willing to accept change and the 2 year olds may be more tame but being tame to humans does not make a difference to their nature and social structures when it comes to other piggies.

If a fight has occurred or the bonding has not been successful ie they have not accepted each other, then I'm afraid you cannot try to put them together again. They don’t change their minds after an unsuccessful introduction or fight so they would need to live in two separate cages permanently and have no physical interaction with each other for the rest of their lives.

I’ve added two guides below which explain more

Adding More Guinea Pigs Or Merging Pairs – What Works And What Not?
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated Bonding Dynamics and Behaviours
 
Hello - firstly, thank you for incredibly detailed reply. I have certainly come to the right forum here. I did a lot of research before buying the first piggies - mainly watching the videos on squeak dreams. I also joined the chat group there but didn't get any responses. I WAS going to go down the neutral space route but then the lady at the sanctuary said it wasn't needed with sows. She said that basically there two different "ways" with Guinea pigs - as with horses (which she also kept) - the "horse whisperer" kind of route - slowly, slowly or the harness route - e.g. just pick up and handle to tame, or just introduce to bond.
I already got the bigger cage set up - A C&C cage - so they have all been transferred to that now and they seem much calmer. Much less squeaking and hardly any chasing. The cage isn't that much bigger but its much longer, so the space seems bigger in a way. Next I will attach the old big 1 metre square cage to this cage by making hole, this will give them a huge cage, well over 22 square feet on the flat. But I wonder if they would use a hole to go through to another area? I will try it anyway.
 

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That’s definitely not the case - there aren’t two routes with bonding. It’s neutral territory only.
I also do not believe in forcing them to be handled either - I’d much rather they learnt to trust through me proving they can trust me

I’m glad the bonding seems to have gone well.
They will now be in a two week period of finalising the fine details of their bond.

Make sure you add water to their enclosure, if you haven’t already.

You can also add at least four hides (you need as many items as you have piggies - so four hides, four water bottles etc) but you need to make sure that all hides have two exits (never use any single exit hides as they can pose a risk of one piggy being trapped inside by other and thus defensive fights).
 
I’ve got water bowls, also giving lots of cucumber. I hardly ever see them drinking from the bottles. Was going to fill up more hay and introduce hides in a day or two
 
Hides can be added once they go to the permanent cage which is usually after several hours or overnight in neutral territory - but as this is their cage and they have been together presumably for 12 hours (just going by the timing of your first post), then you should be ok to add hides now rather than waiting another couple of days.
 
Welcome to the forum.
Having bonded 2 pairs of sows I know how dramatic it can be.
The forum bonding guides were a sanity saver
I can’t add to the advice @Piggies&buns has given you so I wish you all the best with bonding.

Beautiful piggies 🥰
 
Hello - I have a question. All was going well. Then I deep cleaned the whole cage. I wonder if this was the right thing to do, as they are all now rumble strutting and chasing again. Perhaps I did the wrong thing and its better to do a light clean for a week or two while they settle in? Thank you Rob
 
Every time you remove all the bedding you fully wipe the cage of their scent and it means they have to reestablish their bond and territory all over again.

It can be best to never clean the whole cage in one go and instead only ever clean half the cage at a time - clean half the cage on one day, then clean the other half a day or so later. This applies not just in the initial weeks but can actually be lifelong meaning you can never do one main cage clean. Half clean at a time means scent remains and they still know it’s their space.

Don’t forget also that sows come into season every 15-17 days so you will see repeated bouts of dominance pretty often (with all four sows!) throughout their entire lives

Reacting to group or territorial changes: Dominance and group establishment/re-establishment
 
Ok thanks - wow! I didn't know that. All the videos I watched said to deep clean the whole cage once a week! :o
 
The guide I linked in explains a bit more about the kinds of things which can cause reestablishing.

As a boar owner, I’m very used to not being able to change all bedding in one go due to their more territorial nature but sows are also territorial, and particularly newly bonded sows can be just as upset by it or any territory or hierarchy changes (which is why you also have to be very careful about changing cage size or making any cage changes bonding)

Mine live in my shed so I only use shavings and hay as bedding. I remove wet areas of hay and bedding along with poops every day (twice a day even). I then stir up and spread around the remaining dry, unsoiled bedding but scent marked bedding and top up with fresh bedding and fresh hay. So all the bedding gets removed at some point or another but it’s hardly ever in one go.
 
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