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Administering Meds - Come On Peeps Lets Put Our Heads Together!

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So I know 'how' to give meds - i.e. I understand the methods, best way to hold, how to swaddle - so versed in medicating that I am - my vet even trained me to give subcut injections!
And while with lots of animals you can hide lots of nasty meds in food - (thank goodness for petite filous when it comes to my rats!) It's often harder to hide meds when all you have is a piece of lettuce and your pig takes one sniff and looks at you to say, "yeah nice try" and trotts off.
Meaning for pigs we're left with little choice but the fear inducing 1ml syringe - that's our fear btw not the pigs - and while we hold this contraception which would be better named the "how to waste an hour achieving nothing device” or by those in the veterinary circles “the "better option"……(mmmmmm- yeah right - tell that to the owner with the pig with the retractable neck.....) we’re left frantically searching the internet for the key to how to make this easier……our google searches lead us to the “swaddling technique”. We think “hurray wonderful” and run to our piggy palaces with an old towel only to return an hour later back to our computer with baytril up our nose, hay in our hair and we don’t even know where the towel went……literally the next person who says swaddling technique to me is going to get smacked very hard with a moldy Cos leaf by my guinea pig, like I was earlier....
Maybe for those who in rescue who are consistently nursing poorly animals the 'knack' for syringing meds becomes second nature - but for the rest of us, we're late for work as it is, we've got a train to catch and a guinea pig who just doesn't understand the phrase "under my roof my rules" - and he ain't playing ball......
And what of those guinea pigs who are on lifelong meds......? As is going to be the case for my heart pig Manny. One of the most important things for a heart pig is to reduce stress, this does not go hand in hand with the sentence “you must crush these pills and dissolve in water and syringe feed twice a day…..”. I think possibly one of the most stressful things a pig can undergo is to be roused from his slumber twice a day, to have a plastic syringe forced into his mouth containing some vile bitter tasting watered powder. I wouldn't like it.
And unfortunately I don't speak pig to tell him these meds are the only thing keeping him from a certain death and the alternative is off to the vet for the chamber of doom - I'm sure if I could communicate this to him he'd much more cooperative……
I’m sure this forum contains some creative minds looking to improve on their medicine giving habits – surely if we put our heads together we can think of a way to get the tiniest amount of powder from the spoon into the guts of our pigs? And if we come up with a better way this could be applied to meds across the board (except maybe stinky baytril).

So what be it? A laced lettuce parcel 'sushi' style? A fruity flavoured lickable paste?

What ideas can we generate that will result in medicine time becoming treat time? xoxo
 
I've got a bladder piggy on long term meds, she has Potassium Citrate twice a day & Metacam once a day, sometimes twice. Usually I get the Potassium Citrate in the syringe first then suck up the Metacam dosage, so her first taste is Metacam which most piggies don't mind ;) She usually takes it quite happily, I don't even have to pick her up. The other two usually try & pinch the syringe off her & run away with it lol :D
 
I have found that a lot of it is down to practice; there is a struggle at first but when you prove to the piggy that you are determined to stay firm, they will usually behave afterwards. Baytril is by far the worst tasting and therefore the most difficult to get into a piggy - and who can blame them? I use a mixture of sympathising and dominance gestures to reinforce my "higher rank". That can help.

Piggies with chronic issues get used to it and will often take a syringe in the cage as long as it is not foul tasting.

There are of course always exceptions. It can help if you are two people. But as each piggy has got different tricks, there is not a "one size fits all" solution, sadly.

PS: @Sarah from Chucklebunnies makes velcroed medication bags. Swaddling is no longer recommended, as it can be dangerous if the piggy is laid flat out on its back with the head not higher than the chest.
 
I've kept piggies for over 20 years I've currently got 4 piggies 3 no problem. 1 big problem. Even metacam ends up all over the place. She's a demon! So I sympathise!
 
I have found that a lot of it is down to practice; there is a struggle at first but when you prove to the piggy that you are determined to stay firm, they will usually behave afterwards. Baytril is by far the worst tasting and therefore the most difficult to get into a piggy - and who can blame them? I use a mixture of sympathising and dominance gestures to reinforce my "higher rank". That can help.

Piggies with chronic issues get used to it and will often take a syringe in the cage as long as it is not foul tasting.

There are of course always exceptions. It can help if you are two people. But as each piggy has got different tricks, there is not a "one size fits all" solution, sadly.

PS: @Sarah from Chucklebunnies makes velcroed medication bags. Swaddling is no longer recommended, as it can be dangerous if the piggy is laid flat out on its back with the head not higher than the chest.


whats this velcro magic?

and dominance gestures? :help:
 
I've got a pig of lifelong antibiotic suppression for chronic bladder issues. Meds have become second nature to me... though it's not treat time, it's also now a quick and low-stress process. I basically prep the meds before, fill the syringe and sit it next to me. I put Sundae on my knee facing away from me. Then I pick her up with my left hand under her chest/belly and stand her up on her back feet/bum, with her back pressed to my stomach. With the other hand I stick the syringe in the gap between her front teeth and molars along the side of her mouth, push down the plunger, and then she gets a pat and a carrot. It's quick, it's not too stressful for either of us at this point, and then it's treat time to give a little positive reinforcement!
 
whats this velcro magic?

and dominance gestures? :help:

I agree with Freela that it can help to lift off the front legs and to use your upper body to limit the mobility of an uncooperative piggy. But it has to work for you and the piggy in question.


This is velcro:
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For dominance gestures see this thread here: https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk...stincts-and-speak-piggy-body-language.117031/
 
I agree with Freela that it can help to lift off the front legs and to use your upper body to limit the mobility of an uncooperative piggy. But it has to work for you and the piggy in question.


This is velcro:
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For dominance gestures see this thread here: https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk...stincts-and-speak-piggy-body-language.117031/


hehe - I know what velcro is :lol!: - but what are the velcro medication bags? How do they work?

Lol yes & vet bills if you like, I've spent about £3,000 on her so far! :whistle:


mmmmmm - maybe not then! haha.
 
hehe - I know what velcro is :lol!: - but what are the velcro medication bags? How do they work?




mmmmmm - maybe not then! haha.

I haven't got one, but perhaps @Claire W can make a picture of hers? They are fleece pouches that can be fixed with velcro at the top in order to limit a piggy's mobility. Forum member Sarah of Chucklebunnies makes them sometimes.
 
By far our trickiest customer was Treacle, she had the power of an small yak and hated baytril... We found the table technique worked for us. I would hold her on the table while Rach held her head and in went the baytril syringe... Because the table was slippy - her paws could get no purchase to wriggle on and push aways and of course I had enough of her weight by holding her on there. Maybe worth a go if there are two of you at meds time?
 
Wiebke - I see! Could work!

SportBilly - fraid not, it's just me.

I wondered whether if I break the tablets down into really fine powder and then sprinkled just tiny amounts on small pieces of veg and hand fed whether that would work.

I tried tonight - I cut open a green bean and hid the medicine in that and it worked once time but tonight he had cottoned on.
 
This is my medication bag. It does indeed fasten together with Velcro. You just place the guinea pig inside fastening it together with the Velcro just leaving the guinea pigs head accessible. The bag restricts the guinea pigs movement therefore allows medicating easier and less stressful for the guinea pig.
 

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This is my medication bag. It does indeed fasten together with Velcro. You just place the guinea pig inside fastening it together with the Velcro just leaving the guinea pigs head accessible. The bag restricts the guinea pigs movement therefore allows medicating easier and less stressful for the guinea pig.


That's awesome Claire! Do you make these for sale? If not you totally should!
 
Just wanted to update i found my solution!

All this week ive been wrapping Mannys pills in a spinach leaf. I wrap it really tight and into a small square piece (too loose or big and inevitably the pills fall out during eating) - but small and tight - a mouthful piece and he'll take it straight in and eat. I do it at meal times and give out a spinach leaf to each piggy at the same time.

He has no idea, its zero stress, he comes running over for it and I'm avoiding stressing him out :-) nailed it!
 
@squeakysmallpaws your first post has just had me chuckling!

Trying to get Biscuit's meds into her this week has often been a nightmare. I suppose it hasn't helped with it being our first time syringing. We tried holding her on a flat surface, wrapping her in a blanket. She always managed to wriggle out of our hold/blanket and generally end up facing the wrong way, no matter how secure we had her. This made her all hot and bothered and us stressed. We've found that holding her with her head on someone's shoulder while the other person syringe's works best at the minute.
I like the look of the medicine bag but imagine Biscuit wouldn't be cooperative, though I reckon Fudge might be.
 
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