• UK storm warning - Danger of unseasonal high winds and falling trees! Please secure any hutches and sheds, and bring your guinea pigs and rabbits indoors if possible! Click Here for info
  • Discussions taking place within this forum are intended for the purpose of assisting you in discussing options with your vet. Any other use of advice given here is done so at your risk, is solely your responsibility and not that of this forum or its owner. Before posting it is your responsibility you abide by this Statement

Aggression Whilst In Season

Status
Not open for further replies.

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
(Not sure if this post belongs here or in behaviour section?)

I'm getting quite worried about Toast's behaviour and how it's affecting Beans.

The past 4 times of Toast coming into season it's been getting progressively worse. She gets extremely aggressive with Beans sometimes and won't leave her alone for hours on end, then she'll go a few hours being fine then back to being aggressive. She also does this thing where it looks like she's trembling and twitching her head as if she's really annoyed/agitated? I end up having to put a divider in their cage for about 4 days until Toast calms down again because poor Beans just looks exhausted with it.

Toast had xrays and scans about 3 months ago and there were no lumps or anything on her ovaries so I'm not sure what's going on if it's hormonal or not but it's clearly stressing them both out when she's in season.

Any suggestions welcome as I'm at a loss as to what I should do... :hmm:
 

Kerrie74

Adult Guinea Pig
Joined
Mar 6, 2015
Messages
4,869
Reaction score
3,990
Points
1,185
Location
Nottingham, England
It's normal sadly (well it is in my home LOL), Coco has cysts (small ones) she's a little madam now and you should see Nattie and Khaleesi who don't have them... omg they had me awake on and off all night one night last week lol. Little so and so's.
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
She's only just started doing this though. And Beans is neither up nor down when she comes onto season.. I don't know if the fact that it's summer has any affect on them coming into season?
 

Kerrie74

Adult Guinea Pig
Joined
Mar 6, 2015
Messages
4,869
Reaction score
3,990
Points
1,185
Location
Nottingham, England
Hmm not sure, I know when my son took Jericho to the vets when we first adopted him (he came to us smelling, sore rump, scabby bottom, dandruff, fur sticking up) he said that his back end was sore because he had secreted too much grease with it being Spring. My girls always squabble, the two ginger girls seem to squabble more.

Maybe someone with more experience than me with girls can answer your question.
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
I didn't know they can get sore from overusing their grease gland :eek:

I just don't want them to be stressed with it:doh:
 

Eriathwen

Adult Guinea Pig
Joined
Jan 11, 2016
Messages
1,928
Reaction score
5,502
Points
1,355
Location
West midlands
I've had the same issue with Blackberry the last couple of days, rumbling and chasing poor Bramble around the place and generally being very irritable. I've been putting it down to the heat to be honest, she's even chattered her teeth at me, they don't seem to be enjoying the warm weather at all!
 

Adelle

Forum Donator 2019/20
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
3,181
Reaction score
8,346
Points
1,525
This is how crunchie started out before she ended up behaving like this constantly- she had several small cysts in her ovaries. They could have appeared within the last 3 months so may be worth having her re scanned if she doesnt settle down x
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
This is how crunchie started out before she ended up behaving like this constantly- she had several small cysts in her ovaries. They could have appeared within the last 3 months so may be worth having her re scanned if she doesnt settle down x
Thanks. What was the treatment for Crunchie? X
 

Adelle

Forum Donator 2019/20
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
3,181
Reaction score
8,346
Points
1,525
Thanks. What was the treatment for Crunchie? X
She had the hormone injections, 2 10 days apart. They shrunk the cysts and her behaviour returned to normal.

She ended up being spayed a while later as she was still suffering from
Bloat on and off (which started at the same time as cysts where found). This was suspected to be caused by a badly diseased uterus, so she was spayed and she returned to normal after x
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
She had the hormone injections, 2 10 days apart. They shrunk the cysts and her behaviour returned to normal.

She ended up being spayed a while later as she was still suffering from
Bloat on and off (which started at the same time as cysts where found). This was suspected to be caused by a badly diseased uterus, so she was spayed and she returned to normal after x
Is bloat connected to the formation of cysts? I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that, with her needing to be spayed. I don't know how old Toast is, vet thinks maybe 3 or 4 but really that's a guess... what age was Crunchie when she was spayed?
 

Adelle

Forum Donator 2019/20
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
3,181
Reaction score
8,346
Points
1,525
Bloat can be secondary to another condition causing reduced appetite and a slow down of the guts. In crunchies case it was due to her uterus, as the bloat remained when the cysts had shrunk and hormones balanced. Crunchie was 4 at the time, i thought she was 5 but spoke to her previous owner not long after her op and found out she was 4. She was fine x
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
Bloat can be secondary to another condition causing reduced appetite and a slow down of the guts. In crunchies case it was due to her uterus, as the bloat remained when the cysts had shrunk and hormones balanced. Crunchie was 4 at the time, i thought she was 5 but spoke to her previous owner not long after her op and found out she was 4. She was fine x
She's definitely never had reduced appetite, but she has had bloat a few times. Although I'm sure this is caused by grass actually.
At what stage do I get her checked for cysts again? Now, or only if/when she starts being aggressive all the time?
 

Freela

Adult Guinea Pig
Joined
Aug 15, 2010
Messages
4,782
Reaction score
3,348
Points
1,200
Location
Canada
Hadley is having a really strong season right now, so it's funny you should mention it. I feel bad for Sundae. She is blind so even avoiding Hadley is probably challenging right now! Because this isn't the norm for her, I'm just chalking it up to a strong season right now. I wonder if they do get friskier in the springtime. Some girls seem more affected by heat cycles than others. Actually my son was home sick today and Hadley has been driving him nuts because she is constantly rumblestrutting around being a noisy pain in the butt!
 

Adelle

Forum Donator 2019/20
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
3,181
Reaction score
8,346
Points
1,525
You know her best, its entirely your own judgement. If shes even worse by next season then id have her checked x
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
Hadley is having a really strong season right now, so it's funny you should mention it. I feel bad for Sundae. She is blind so even avoiding Hadley is probably challenging right now! Because this isn't the norm for her, I'm just chalking it up to a strong season right now. I wonder if they do get friskier in the springtime. Some girls seem more affected by heat cycles than others. Actually my son was home sick today and Hadley has been driving him nuts because she is constantly rumblestrutting around being a noisy pain in the butt!
I'm sure summer can make some animals a but more frisky :P
It's a shame for the poor pigs who have to put up with this amorous behaviour! Toast was quite bad today though so I used c and c grids to devide them for a bit, she seems to have calmed back down now though. :whistle:
 

helen105281

Forum Donator 2019/20
Joined
Jan 27, 2010
Messages
18,877
Reaction score
10,519
Points
2,155
Location
Herts
I agree with getting her checked as this is similar to Fuzzy's behaviour when she had microscopic cysts. They didn't show up on a scan either though that could have been down to my vets not being experienced. She ended up going to Simon Maddock in the end who found them without needing to do a scan.

Does she have any thinning of her hair?

Saying that this weather has made my Tim's hormones surge, her was being a right pain in the bum with poor Sophie the other day (she is spayed, he isn't neutered).

I have also experienced bloat being linked to cysts. My Millie has gassy episodes and she has had ovarian cysts in the past (which actually burst themselves) but when they were growing her gassy episodes increased. Also when I used to help at a vets we had a pig come in who had very large cysts that were pressing on her other organs, and causing bloat like symptoms.
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
I agree with getting her checked as this is similar to Fuzzy's behaviour when she had microscopic cysts. They didn't show up on a scan either though that could have been down to my vets not being experienced. She ended up going to Simon Maddock in the end who found them without needing to do a scan.

Does she have any thinning of her hair?

Saying that this weather has made my Tim's hormones surge, her was being a right pain in the bum with poor Sophie the other day (she is spayed, he isn't neutered).

I have also experienced bloat being linked to cysts. My Millie has gassy episodes and she has had ovarian cysts in the past (which actually burst themselves) but when they were growing her gassy episodes increased. Also when I used to help at a vets we had a pig come in who had very large cysts that were pressing on her other organs, and causing bloat like symptoms.
She doesn't have any hair loss, and I had her at the vets last week, who had a really good feel of her and felt nothing. But if it continues I will get her in for a scan again, although I'm hoping it's just the weather, it has been extremely hot here the past week or so.
It just can't be possible for one pig to have sooo many health issues! :eek:
 

pig in the city

*Rescue Buddy*
Forum Donator 2019/20
Joined
Jan 29, 2009
Messages
2,476
Reaction score
4,669
Points
1,235
Location
sheffield
I had a grumpy foster pig who's only sign of hormone problems was crusty nipples. She also had bladder issues. Talking to the vet we decided to have her ovaries removed by keyhole surgery as her chances of being rehomed with possible developing ovarian cysts was small.
Her ovaries showed small cysts only.
Her mood dramatically improved and her bladder symptoms settled. She has since been rehomed.
Ovarian cysts are a symptom of hormone problems, they don't have to be present for hormonal issues to be causing problems.
I wouldn't recommend a spay unless there were clear health reasons, but ovariectomy by keyhole surgery is minimally invasive and very safe in the right hands
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
I had a grumpy foster pig who's only sign of hormone problems was crusty nipples. She also had bladder issues. Talking to the vet we decided to have her ovaries removed by keyhole surgery as her chances of being rehomed with possible developing ovarian cysts was small.
Her ovaries showed small cysts only.
Her mood dramatically improved and her bladder symptoms settled. She has since been rehomed.
Ovarian cysts are a symptom of hormone problems, they don't have to be present for hormonal issues to be causing problems.
I wouldn't recommend a spay unless there were clear health reasons, but ovariectomy by keyhole surgery is minimally invasive and very safe in the right hands
Thank you. Would there be a reason a vet wouldn't do keyhole surgery?
I do worry about surgery as Toast has had several issues in the space of a year, bloat, URI, UTI, dental issues needing molars burred to name a few. Although the bloat is managed with meds when needed. When she had GA for the dental work it took about 5 days for her to recover. She's just been very unlucky!

I don't want to jump to conclusions about it being cysts, as this isn't her behaviour all the time, although even when she's not being aggressive in season, she is somewhat a grumpy pig anyway. It's so hard to tell. I'll give it one more time and if she's the same I'll talk to my vet about having her scanned again and go from there
 

Beans&Toast

Forum Donator 2017/18
Joined
Feb 6, 2016
Messages
2,375
Reaction score
3,013
Points
1,225
Location
Falkirk,Scotland
And can I just check, am I doing any harm by putting a divider in the cage at night for a few days while Toast is in season?
It's a c and c cage so they can still see/touch/hear each other. I hate to think I'm messing with their hierarchy or anything, but at the same time poor Beans is being harassed and can't get any peace..
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top