Alice & Thumbelina

RosieMaia

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Hey all!

I haven't posted in a long, long while, but I am very much in need of experienced bonding advice.

As you may see on my profile, I live in Sofia, Bulgaria. There are no piggy rescues in the country and this is how a couple of 4-month old baby sisters came to live with me - I have been tasked with finding a forever home, since their family cannot take care of them. Here comes the difficulty - the two pigs don't get along very well, and I am unsure if this is a genuine dislike, or if it is their difficult previous home situation affecting their reactions.

The whole story
A family got two guinea pigs from a pet shop, one turned out to be pregnant. Fast forward and 4 pigs (two 7-month-old and two 4-month-old) are living in a tiny cage of 80 x 50 cm. Quite surprisingly, they didn't fight until the mum got pyometra and had to be neutered. She is the top pig and while she was overnight at the vets, the other three pigs started fighting. Or rather Auntie started biting and being very aggressive towards Alice and Thumbelina, and Alice also got very aggressive towards Thumbelina.

Thumbelina has a number of bite wounds on her body, rather deep, they have been checked by a vet, and she will be fine. Despite her experience, she is a remarkably docile, friendly piggy. She happily takes food from me and sits on my lap comfortably stretched and snoozing, and she is very eager to have piggy company. Alice on the other hand is more reserved and is not as open to human company, but she too wheeks at my own four guinea pigs and tries to get in their cage.

The two girls are now in a divided 6 x 2 C&C cage, each of them has half, and they see each other through the bars. They spend most of their day like that, touching through the bars and biting the bars trying to get together. Both Thumbelina and Alice seem to be together. After a couple of days being separated and observing their friendly behavior through the bars, I decided it's a good time for me to re-introduce them on neutral ground. To say it didn't go well is an understatement. Thumbelina went to Alice, started sniffing her in a friendly way, but Alice freaked out and lunged at her. She didn't manage to draw blood, but that was only because I intervened and separated them. They went in their separate corners of the cage, stayed like that for 15 minutes and then reconvened at the dividing bars, trying to get to each other.

Alice's reaction seems to be fear aggression. Her willingness to be with pigs battles with her fear of them :(

I wonder if I separated them too quickly. I did see Alice's hair all puffed up, her "yawning" to display her teeth and then she ran towards Thumbelina with what for me was clear intent to cause damage. That being said, I have been blessed with effortless bondings in the past, full of love, cuddles and piggy kisses and this is new territory for me.

I am not particularly worried for Thumbelina. Worse comes to worst, I will pair her with a baby pig I know is in need of a home and she will have a friend (two birds with one stone). I am confident that there will be a lot of families wanting them, being so cute and friendly. The one I'm worried about is Alice, as she might have to end up alone.

The average family here lives in a two-bedroom apartment, space rarely allows for a big cage and most people have either 1 pig or 2, if they read that they shouldn't be alone. I am completely certain no one would be willing to take on a piggy which potentially has behavior issues and may have to be separated from their cage mate, thus having to keep 2 cages.

Ideally, I would like the two sisters to bond. Having their history in mind, do you think it's possible? I think I will keep them separated and then try again on Saturday. I will make a video of them, so I can get your opinion on their behavior. I hope Alice will understand that now that there's enough space and food and no one is trying to harm her, her aggression will diminish.

Also, would it be useful if I introduced them for a few hours/days to my own herd of four? They're all very friendly, and in the four years since I have this particular group of pigs, there have been 0 instances of aggression. Would this help show Alice proper piggy herd behavior? Or would it perhaps be too stressful for her to meet other pigs and trigger her fear-aggression?

Thanks in advance for your input, I'm truly struggling and I really want to avoid Alice having to live her life as a sole piggy.

PS. Unfortunately, 4 is my limit and I cannot take Alice in my herd long-term. :(
 
Hi @RosieMaia I'm glad your still around and lovely to hear from you again. Sorry to hear your having problems. I think it's lovely that you've taken on two new piggies even if it is temporary. I can't help but I just wanted to say hi.

I've had problems too and have had to split my herd into two small herds. Dennis and Betsy are now husboar and wifey and Christian is husboar to Meg and Velvet.
 
I am sure someone with more expereince will come along soon, but in my own expereince (limited) just becasue 2 piggies spend a lot of time at the bars together, does not mean they will actually get along when the divider is removed.

I also find if there are clear signs of aggression between 2 females in the first few minutes of a bonding then it simply is not going to work.
Teeth chattering and fur puffing can go either way and settle down over time, but lunging within minutes is never a great sign.
But again my expereince is quite limited so others may have more to add.

Giving them some more time and trying again sounds like a reasonable plan, but if it doesn't work out a second time then I think it would be best to accept their decision that they don't want to live together.

In the interim I wouldn't introduce them to your own herd - things like this are stressful for piggies as every time they meet up they need to try and establish a hierarchy, so it is always work - not fun. Sending a few hours a day with otehr piggies wouldn't offer them any benefit unless you plan to try and bond them all long term.
I would wait and only introduce them to other piggies once you have made a decision about whether their own bond is going to work out or not.

I have my fingers crossed for you - as the owner of a fear agressive, complex piggy I know how difficult they can be.
 
Lovely to hear from you @RosieMaia. I agree with @Swissgreys that time spent alongside each on either side of the barrier is not an indicator of acceptance. It can simply be a sign of each showing their dominance and reserving their space. And if there has been lunging on neutral territory then it is unlikely to work. I am sorry for your dilemma.
 
Thanks for your replies. I suspected as much, but wanted to see what you might think. I wonder what sort of pig would be a good fit for Alice personality-wise. I suppose a laid-back, large husboar she can't bully and fight, but is also non-threatening to her. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to test her with different piggies - in the absense of rescues, I will need to buy a baby pig to live with Thumbelina, who is very docile and I'd be surprised if things didn't work out. But if I buy a pig for Alice and she bullies it, I will be in the same situation I am now. :(

Do you see any viable alternatives to her living alone permanently?
 
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