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Animal Shelter And Someone's Criticism - Am Wondering

Elitah

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At the beginning of the month, when our guinea-pig Brillo was still alive, we looked for some female guinea-pigs. Cotton is old and Brillo was old and we guessed that one of them might die soon and we didn't want the other one to be alone. Neither the animal shelter in this city, nor the ones in the suburbs had guinea-pigs and one animal shelter in a nearby small town was still closed, so we ended up looking at one in a town about 45 km. We went there and they had two cute females which had just had babies. They could't be given away yet, but the people there said they could reserve them for us and phone us once the babies were ready to be separated from their mothes.

Then Brillo died last Monday and since we had been told we'd have to wait about 6 weeks for the two ladies, we began to look for a boar for Cotton. Our experience is that it is good to have one boar with a group of ladies anyway and meanwhile, the animal shelter in the nearby small town was open again, so my husband went there on Wednesday. The owner asked quite a few questions and said if they did give him a piggie, that would be the next week since he'd have to be checked by a vet. One of her helpers quietly told him if it was up to her, she'd give him the male piggie he had looked at right away. In the evening, the owner phoned my husband and announced a visit at our place the next day. I wasn't there since I was working, but my husband later said he'd had job interviews which were easier. She interrogated him and she criticized everything: the water bottles (after all, in the wild, piggies always drink from a stream), the fleece linging in the cage (piggies must be kept on sawdust, according to her), the size of the cage (it is definitely above the minimum guidelines, we measured that a few years ago, even though I can't remember the measurements now, but she thinks it should be bigger) and the fact that they get pellets once per day. According to her, guinea-pigs aren't supposed to have any dry food whatsoever. Which is confusing since our vet always emphasized the importance of the pellets for their teeth.

The next day she phoned my husband and told him we couldn't have the guinea-pig and that we really, really needed to keep ours on sawdust and not the fleece-lining. This was the first time an animal shelter had ever denied giving us a guinea-pig. Admittedly, none of them had ever sent someone to visit us, but we always showed photos of the cage (including the fleece) and gave measurements and explained about our experience with piggies. They never had a problem giving us a piggie and yesterday, we ended up getting three from the town 45 km away - the two ladies we had reserved and a cute boar.

I am a little confused about the things my husband was told. As I said, the pellets are something our vet finds important and I think he'd tell us to re-introduce them immediately if we stopped feeding those now. And the fleece-lining is something I picked up here and somewhere I read that it's better for their feet than sawdust. Pretty much any guinea-pig cage in the English-speaking world that I have seen in pictures had fleece-lining. I guess the water is an optional thing, I have seen both, but think that the water gets dirty much more quickly if it is offered in a bowl and they might pee in there. As for size, more is probably always better, but genreally I didn't think so much emphasis would be put on that if the minimum requirements are fulfilled, at least not enough for an animal shelter to deny giving us a guinea-pig. Plus, what about all the other important things: looking at them regularly to make sure we spot if something is wrong, cutting claws regularly, being able and willing to take them to the vet and pay for their treatment if something is wrong and being willing to invest time and energy and money in their wellbeing? Was wondering if anyone can make sense of these requirements, especially the no dry food whatsoever or the sawdust instead of fleece-thing. My husband says she was just really strict, but it did make me a bit insecure for a bit.
 
This sounds really weird. I don't really know what you can do about it though. You could send the owner information, however, I suspect there is now some bad feeling, and it would probably be best to just let it go. The fact her information seems to be wrong is kind of negated by the fact that none of what she's said is actually bad practice, apart from the sawdust, so the RSPCA or the local authority wouldn't be interested. If she owns the sanctuary, aside from animal welfare issues, she can really make her own rules.
You probably just need to put it down to an unpleasant experience, and move on, in the knowledge you're right and she's wrong.
 
I think I was more worried that she might be right and we could be wrong and she might send the German version of the RSPCA to us. Although I think they can only do that if there are clearly things going on which endanger an animal's life or wellbeing. My husband saw the piggies at her animal shelter and they are kept well, except for the sawdust, maybe, but that seems to be very common in Germany. It just confused me that she was so adamant about stuff like sawdust and no dry food and water bowls.
 
Hiya. What an awful ordeal to be criticised so heavily & denied a piggy. I guess a lot has changed recently in the guinea pig world & new things are being brought in all the time. Maybe this person is a bit out of date? ( I’m not meaning this in a rude way).
My 3 inside girly piggies live very happily on fleece, and drink from a water bottle with ease. (I’ve got 2 water bottles for them) and they use either. They also have pellets which they love & I often hear them crunching them.
Please don’t be disheartened by this person. You sound like you’re doing a great job.
I’m sorry for your loss of Brillo
Hugs xx
 
I would take the criticism and over the top advise put it in a drawer and forget it.
No ones set up is perfect I think mine is fantastic and yipee lucky piggies have 3 but I know could be better and then again a lot worse.
You doing your best for your piggie and I'm sorry one has died and gone to rainbow world. Don't let it cloud your future with piggies and forget it.
I've been pulled up about things and yes it's hurtful but I know my pigs are well happy. x
 
You're right, fleece is a lot better than sawdust. A lot of people are old fashioned and can't get their heads around anything different or better. I know a rescue person like that. What size cage have you got? :)

There's not much you can do or say now without sounding childish but you could ask for her reasoning behind her comments as you are clearly a dedicated piggy slave. I'd love to know why she had a tantrum about piggies must have saw dust, it's the most unnatural substrate you can use for them and causes breathing problems and often problems in their private areas. It's also hard to walk on and far from the the flat lands of their natural habitats.

People are strange and they always think they know better, even if they're wrong sadly. You've done nothing wrong though :)
 
Hi @Elitah - sounds like a dreadful experience. The owner at the local centre near me is known to be a bit of a nightmare person. Thankfully I've had no dealings with her. I was going to volunteer some time there but even the rules for volunteering were so restrictive that I thought it would a nightmare so I didn't bother. There's loads of opinions about everything so research stuff for yourself, take a considered opinion and then ignore everything else! Pellets are fine, fleece is fine, water bottles are fine and I'm sure your enclosure is fine too. Nothing is perfect but your piggies are well loved and looked after. I'm sure like me you are always learning new stuff but people like that person you encountered from the shelter are best ignored as they thrive on negativity and the power goes to their head. Sorry for your loss but I hope you are loving having your new additions - would be great to see some photos of them :love:
 
I think I was more worried that she might be right and we could be wrong and she might send the German version of the RSPCA to us. Although I think they can only do that if there are clearly things going on which endanger an animal's life or wellbeing. My husband saw the piggies at her animal shelter and they are kept well, except for the sawdust, maybe, but that seems to be very common in Germany. It just confused me that she was so adamant about stuff like sawdust and no dry food and water bowls.
Sorry, I was using my phone when I answered you and didn't realise you were in Germany. Rest assured the way you choose to look after you piggies, while different from what she does, is perfectly correct.
 
It sounds like potentially they forgot about your application and rehomed the piggy but were not big enough to tell the truth, so failed your inspection on ridiculous grounds. While I'm not a fan of fleece, if I ran a rescue that wouldnt stop me rehoming a deserving pig to a loving family so long as they were using the fleece appropriately, which you obviously would be or you wouldnt of had 3 piggies homed with you! :)

Some rescue people can be a little weird and over the top on their standards. A loving home is more important than bedding preferences and sadly it's their pigs that miss out. We rehomed a cat once that under no circumstances should he ever live with any other cats... well we didnt have any at the time so we got him. A year later we got a kitten, and he would go out and bring back 'prey' to teach that little baby how to feed itself! He loved her to bits...she failed miserably at learning to hunt though lol but he had more success teaching kitten number 2 that we got another year later. Doesnt matter that sometimes that prey was socks or something ridiculous :lol!: the thought was there!
 
It sounds like potentially they forgot about your application and rehomed the piggy but were not big enough to tell the truth, so failed your inspection on ridiculous grounds.
Actually, I don't think so. I think she was really just extremely strict and it all happened within two days.
As for using fleece appropriately, we wash it regularly and the entire cage is cleaned out completely and all the fleeces changed completely once per week, but my husband cleans every day, takes poop out and we also replace smaller fleeces more often and check if the larger ones are wet, plus there is always newspaper underneath.

Some rescue people can be a little weird and over the top on their standards. A loving home is more important than bedding preferences and sadly it's their pigs that miss out.
hat's what I thought. I guess most piggie homes could theoratically still be better, they could probably always be larger and I have seen pictures on Instagram of a huge piggie-paradise with fleeces, hammocks and little beds. dmittedly, it does look amazing. But I thought that animal shelters looked for good and loving homes rather than luxury or perfection. The one in our city does as did the one we got our three new ones from yesterday.
Will post pictures of the newbies, btw, once I manage to take a few good ones.
 
maybe you had a bad luck in meeting such a strict rescue. Anyway, about the pellets I signed a paper (3 pages) with all my duty and in one specific point I declared to follow a NO pellets diet. It is weird that your vet thinks that they are necessary for the teeth health, because international data (at least the last ones) say the opposite. My last piggie adopted from this rescue "no pellet" has enlongated premolars; now the vets are sure that the trouble will be solved if I strictly follow a diet based on grass (and hay) and it is what I am doing, considering that my two sows adopted when they were very young have perfect and eroded molars (the one who eats more grass has extremely eroded teeth).
Anyway, you had a bad luck, that is a fact. There is nothing wrong in your cage and house. The first and only time I had the volunteer visiting my home (the second time I had no visit from the other rescue because they contacted the first one and trusted me) I had a pleasant visit of a nice man and his wife. They had never seen the fleece and were very interested in the matter; they took a lot of pictures, asked for info (about the fleece, the washing, where to buy it, etc).
About the bottle my piggies don't drink at all, they spend almost the whole day in the kitchen without any bottle and in the night they don't drink as well.
Don't feel insecure... who cares of what a volunteer says? is he a god? There is a family in Rome who left a public message on the page of a famous rescue here saying "well, you did not let me adopt your piggies because I have a child 5 years old at home and today I went to buy two piggies at the shop. Goodbye!" (one of the rules here is: no little children at home)
I also started fuming when I had to sign a stupid contract (not stupid for the pellets issue, but for all the other strict rules), but the most important thing is that our piggies are with us now.
Read more online about the guide lines about the diet because a lot of vets are not updated. Pellets (grainfree) must be not over 5% of the whole diet based on hay, it means few grams, a teaspoon. Otherwise the risk of bladder and kidney troubles rise a lot...
Guess what I had to do for adopting my piggies? From Rome I had to go to Bologna and with the last piggie I had to go to Milano! In Rome no piggies available.
And now enjoy yourself with the bonding adventure!:lol!:
 
I'm surprised about the strict no pellets thing. Our are purely from grass. I did hear that the muesly mix wasn't good because it often contains too much calcium which can lead to bladder and kidney stones, but loads of piggie owners I found on Instagram feed their piggies grass pellets as well. We might ask our vet again and will look into that. The "no small children rule" you mentioned seems a bit odd, though. We're having a baby in summer and once it's old enough to be interesed in guine-pigs and able to do anything to them, we will always keep an eye on the child, especially when it's not old enough to understand what you can and must not do to piggies. But I would think that 5-year-old children could be taught how to behave around guinea-pigs and what they should or shouldn't do. I do remember, though, that my mother told me about a family from church when I was a kid. They had a guine-pig which died because one day, the children put it in the middle of the room and jumped over it. One kid missed and landed on the guinea-pig wich, even back then, sounded really horrible to me. So maybe they have a point.

And I'm almost a bit shocked you couldn't find any piggies in Rome! We talked about that in the animal shelter yesterday because one year they had to take in lots of rats and we concluded it must be a fashion thing, that certain pets or breeds are a bit of a fashion at certain times and those tend to turn up in the animal shelters as welll. Guinea-pigs might be old-fashined now. Not that I care, but for people who are unwilling to buy them from the pet shop or private breeders (like us) that does make it hard to find piggies in animal shelters.
 
no, they are not made only of grass, that is the problem... Also Versele Laga Complete or another good italian brand seem to be made of pure grass, but when you go and make the sum of all the components (and you can see they wisely declare ONLY the proteins, the fats, the crude fibres, the ashes, etc) you will found out that the amount of carbohydrates (never declared) are at least 48-50% that is a huge amount for a strict herbivor. And then among the ingredients... those weird names... molassa, starch... no, thanks! as for a treat okay, but not more. And all the vets cut off the pellets after a bladder stone or a surgery for removing stones... why?
Anyway, the pellet is not necessary and make the piggie feel full, when eating only hay or grass they spend all the day chewing and chewing eroding their teeth.

Here rescues are run by extremist people, very goodhearted people, peace&love... but.....
They do a lot of battles for saving the world, for saving animals who cannot be saved; volunteers have satisfaction in politics battles and then have very bad words reserved to the ones who want or need to rehome a piggie or a rabbit. Visiting their fb pages get on my nerves, reading comments left from people make my blood boil (and I need a lot for feeling upset for a wrong word!). Then, when they find a good family they start making troubles. For Milan: I told the lady there was a good offer for me on a certain day; she said "be calm, no hurry, the piggie has no hurry for coming to Rome". Then I had to use another tone and I told her "Okay, let's wait, but if the train ticket will cost more than 70€ your piggie will remain to you and I will go to a shop". And it is not the only bad story...
Here rescues have no headquarters, usually. Foster families are all around Italy, usually in the north, and they have some piggie as a guest. If you want to adopt, they start looking for a lift or if you don't want to wait you have to go to the piggie. My piggie was rescued in Venice, sent to Turin and then he was taken to Milan because for me a journey to Turin was too much. My piggie is a great traveller! :)):dri:
In Rome there were piggies but they came from a legal requisition and I don't want to deal with legal troubles. Moreover I wanted a healthy piggie.
Anyway I had the possibility to visit two cities I had never visited before :)
Guinea pigs here are not as famous as the rabbits...
Your baby will learn how to be gentle and delicate living with a piggie. This below is my daughter Erica, 17 years old now, with our beloved Ugo
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She’s clearly an idiot for denying a Good home for a much needed rescues pig.

Just chalk it up to bad experience and move on. Does not sound like there is anything wrong with your setup at all, she just probably didn’t like you for some reason and decided to be fickle.
 
Hi, yeah. Some people working with animals have poor human communication skills. I know what I am talking about :))

I would send an email explaining how you felt etc and then just forget it. Just the fact home visit was done when it didn't exactly suit you was unprofessional...

Unfortunately, I failed home visit too. It was over 6yrs ago when C&C weren't exactly accessible and so I had a spare bedroom turned into piggie room. I had 120cm cage with ramps to floor area. It was fenced off and also had baby gates and obviously door... long story short, the shelter said they've discussed with their local centre (i know they didn't) and cage wasn't big enough. Which was truth, hence the entire room area! When I asked what cage they want me to get I got no reply... literally was ignored... after few weeks I sent email explaining how unprofessional this was and that their attitude might be reason why people find it easier to go and buy from pet shops rather than adopt... I think some rescues just allow personal feelings ahead of what's best for the animals... it did upset me back then, now I just laugh at it as it's ridiculous.

So, don't let this make you feel bad or question your piggie care. They're loved, looked after and that's what matters :luv:
 
Honestly, this isn't even uncommon for rescues in my area and I have known many people who were denied animals based on an arbitrary guideline that most pet owners probably were not able to meet. Heck, a friend of mine tried to adopt a dog and was turned down based on the fact that both she and her husband had full-time jobs and they would only adopt if the dog was not going to be left alone for longer than an hour or two. Yes, it's great if someone is home with the dog all day, but I would guess that there are plenty of pets doing just fine in houses where the humans have to work! Don't feel bad... I would totally be on your side, and hopefully you can find somewhere more reasonable to adopt from!
 
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