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Anyone With Experience Of Cysts ?

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Our oldest girl ( Attie - nearly 5 ) has suddenly lost a lot of weight - around 100g in a few days.

We went to the vet today and she did a scan. Attie has : some arthritis in her back legs, a big cyst in one kidney and ovarian cysts on both sides. The ovarian cysts are pretty irregular and are a bit worrying.

She is in some pain - she didn't like her abdomen being felt - could that account for her weight loss?

Also, because she is in pain, we are giving her Metacam - the vet said only two drops a day because of the risk to her kidneys. I almost feel like giving her more - I'm not sure we have much to loose at the moment and I would like to stabilise her weight. I'd be grateful for any advice on that too.

Thanks
 
Sorry to hear this ovarian cysts can be treated by hormone injections and shrunk - but have not heard of cysts on the kidneys. What treatment is your vet suggesting going forward?

Tagging @Adelle le @helen105281
 
We have some recommended vets in the oxfordshire area

 
Do you know what dose in ml the 2 drops is? I also tend to give pain relief twice a day as they have such a fast metabolism. Like Lee says, the cysts can be treated with hormone injections, though it depends how far advanced they are whether the vet wants to spay straight away. Is she eating ok?

Are you able to travel at all? if so I would recommend seeing Simon Maddock at the Cat and Rabbit clinic in Northampton. My 4 year old sow had ovarian cysts and he spayed her with no issues, even though she has a heart issue.

I am afraid I don't know anything about cysts on kidneys.
 
Sorry to hear this ovarian cysts can be treated by hormone injections and shrunk - but have not heard of cysts on the kidneys. What treatment is your vet suggesting going forward?

Tagging @Adelle le @helen105281

What we are doing at the moment is Metacam to keep her comfy and try and stabilise her weight, then we are looking at having her anaesthetised for more exploration - possible removal of her ovaries. The vet isn't too concerned about the kidney cyst - it's big but she still has one good functioning kidney and there are no other obvious signs of kidney problems. The ovarian cysts are very irregular and more worrying - on both sides and potentially cancerous.

To be honest I think she is on her way out - it breaks my heart because she is one of the sweetest pigs we have ever had - it is that balancing act of wanting to give her the best chance but not wanting to prolong any distress. It has really taken me by surprise at how quickly her weight has dropped. Difficult decision time.

I will look into the vets mentioned as well but our local vets have just got two new people who are really interested in smaller animals and have been really helpful.

Thank you
 
My Ellie had the hcg chorulon hormone injections for a walnut sized ovarian cyst.
She was 6yrs old when she had the first two injections (approx 7-10days apart As she was too old for a spay.

She did very well with the injections & the cyst shrank in size within a few weeks.
She went back about 12 months later for 2 more injections as the cyst had grown again.
They were successful both times for her.

Ellie didnt show any of the textbook signs of ovarian cysts .(crusty nipples, hair loss on her sides, temperamental, dominance etc)
But she did seem to improve in mood &her coat went really soft &shiny within a day or two....... .
Xx

heres part of a quote i posted on another thread above
& heres my Ellies thread below
Ellie- Ovarian Cyst,maybe Stones, Suggestions Please.

and a thread you may find useful
Hormonal Therapy For Ovarian Cysts?

Adelle has already been tagged, Her Fudge has kidney problems & has just had HCG injections for the ovarian cysts.
Ovarian cysts are apparently very painful - especially when small and growing, i would be inclined to ask if there are painkillers that aren't as harsh on the kidneys & also ask about the HCG hormone injections to hopefully decrease the size of the cyst.

unfortunately i am no help with the kidney cyst as i have no experience of them.

healing vibes for little Attie though xx :nod:

oh & edit - loss of appetite/weight can be an indication of pain, so it may just be a balancing act/trial & error with meds to stabilize her pain & hopefully even things out. xx
 
I would look at less invasive choices first before a spay at her age. Maybe worth mentioning hormone injections to them. Two of our girls have had hormone injections to shrink cysts. I am sure my vet would be happy to be contacted to speak to them if needed. Getting her stabilised and pain free is a must. Quality of life is always key. i now it is tricky, we have gone for pallative care routes for some f our girls in the past. you will do what is right because you love her
 
Do you know what dose in ml the 2 drops is? I also tend to give pain relief twice a day as they have such a fast metabolism. Like Lee says, the cysts can be treated with hormone injections, though it depends how far advanced they are whether the vet wants to spay straight away. Is she eating ok?

Are you able to travel at all? if so I would recommend seeing Simon Maddock at the Cat and Rabbit clinic in Northampton. My 4 year old sow had ovarian cysts and he spayed her with no issues, even though she has a heart issue.

I am afraid I don't know anything about cysts on kidneys.

Sorry - I'm not sure what the ml dosage is - I just dilute 2 drops in water and syringe it into her mouth - she seems very happy to have it. I think I will try and split the dose - twice a day seems a good idea. The ovarian cysts are not looking good and the vet is definitely thinking of spaying soon - I think it slightly depends on stabilising her weight before the op.
 
I would look at less invasive choices first before a spay at her age. Maybe worth mentioning hormone injections to them. Two of our girls have had hormone injections to shrink cysts. I am sure my vet would be happy to be contacted to speak to them if needed. Getting her stabilised and pain free is a must. Quality of life is always key. i now it is tricky, we have gone for pallative care routes for some f our girls in the past. you will do what is right because you love her

Thank you - I will talk to my vet about hormone injections. I am so grateful for the support I can get from this site,
 
If you think the 2 drops isn't enough then it may be worth asking your vet to see if you can increase the dose.

I'm aware of the kidney issues it may cause but I have a 6.5year old boar with severe arthritis and he's just had surgery to remove a lump from his face.

We give him 0.25ml of Metacam twice a day at the moment and will reduce it back to 0.2ml when he's over his surgery.

We've decided that we want him to be comfortable now, to have the best life he can as he's getting older and has a few medical issues.

In our opinion the positives of giving him a good dose of Metacam outweighs the negatives.

It gets to be a balancing act sometimes with meds, so always go with your heart.
 
Poor little mite has a lot to deal with bless her.

Firstly, before you go for anything invasive I'd request they find out how her kidneys are doing- this will be the thing that will affect your treatment plan the most with regards to what pain relief is safest to use and if an anaesthetic is wise. A cyst on the kidney could just be a benign cyst on the kidney (I actually have one on my own kidney!) or it could be a sign of kidney disease starting- this can make the kidneys cystic and small as they degenerate. Depending on the piggy they should be able to get some bloods consciously with the help of the nurse, and the results are usually fairly quick. The other option to check the kidneys in a way that won't cause her any distress is via the urine in a "urine protein creatinine ratio" test (UPC), but this isn't as accurate and more for monitoring changes.

If you find out her kidneys are functioning normally, you can then dose adequately with Metacam without worrying about her kidneys struggling too much, and you can then decide if having her spayed to remove those nasty ovaries is what she needs.

If her kidneys are starting to struggle, an anaesthetic of any kind wouldn't be recommended. In that instance, you'd be looking at a course of the chorulin (HCG) injections to try and shrink those ovarian cysts, or better yet get them to go away completely. This would make her feel so much more comfortable for the time she would have left (which would depend on how quickly the kidneys would Deteriorate). As for pain relief in the instance of struggling kidneys, tramadol is usually what's recommended. Metacam isn't great for kidneys that are already struggling, as it puts more pressure on them. But sometimes a balance of Metacam and tramadol can work well. My vet doses at 1mg (note Milligramme, not milliletres!) of tramadol drops twice a day as a low starting dose.. In my experience, it doesn't create the "out of it" effect you would expect.. It hasn't had any sedative effect on my sow whatsoever, but does help relieve pain.

I currently have a 7 years 7 month old sow named fudge. She has been in heart failure for 16 months, has close kidney monitoring as her heart medication causes kidney damage, has arthritis in her hips and recently spine, and was diagnosed with an ovarian cyst last week! Her kidney levels have now started to rise slightly (tested by urine and not near failure levels as yet) but given this has only happened since her last kidney check 2 months previously, the kidneys are clearly massively more resilient than you'd expect in an elderly pig! She is on half dose of Metacam in the morning and a full dose at night for her arthritis, and is also on tramadol given at the same time. With this she is bright, agile and still manages to popcorn (albeit pathetically!). Due to being in heart failure, she can't have an anaesthetic under any circumstances.. So She had her first hormone injection last week for the ovarian cyst. 1 week later her cyst was gone and she was noticeably happier. She's just had her second injection Wednesday and she doesn't need a third.

Don't give up hope.. Weigh up the risks and find out where those kidneys are at before u make any decisions.. This will let you know if you should push for a more invasive, long term solution treatment plan or just manage medically to keep her comfortable. The latter isn't a death sentence either.. I've been doing it for 16 months and Fudge is still very much enjoying her life like the total legend she is.

I really hope you make some positive steps forward soon x
 
Poor little mite has a lot to deal with bless her.

Firstly, before you go for anything invasive I'd request they find out how her kidneys are doing- this will be the thing that will affect your treatment plan the most with regards to what pain relief is safest to use and if an anaesthetic is wise. A cyst on the kidney could just be a benign cyst on the kidney (I actually have one on my own kidney!) or it could be a sign of kidney disease starting- this can make the kidneys cystic and small as they degenerate. Depending on the piggy they should be able to get some bloods consciously with the help of the nurse, and the results are usually fairly quick. The other option to check the kidneys in a way that won't cause her any distress is via the urine in a "urine protein creatinine ratio" test (UPC), but this isn't as accurate and more for monitoring changes.

If you find out her kidneys are functioning normally, you can then dose adequately with Metacam without worrying about her kidneys struggling too much, and you can then decide if having her spayed to remove those nasty ovaries is what she needs.

If her kidneys are starting to struggle, an anaesthetic of any kind wouldn't be recommended. In that instance, you'd be looking at a course of the chorulin (HCG) injections to try and shrink those ovarian cysts, or better yet get them to go away completely. This would make her feel so much more comfortable for the time she would have left (which would depend on how quickly the kidneys would Deteriorate). As for pain relief in the instance of struggling kidneys, tramadol is usually what's recommended. Metacam isn't great for kidneys that are already struggling, as it puts more pressure on them. But sometimes a balance of Metacam and tramadol can work well. My vet doses at 1mg (note Milligramme, not milliletres!) of tramadol drops twice a day as a low starting dose.. In my experience, it doesn't create the "out of it" effect you would expect.. It hasn't had any sedative effect on my sow whatsoever, but does help relieve pain.

Thank yo s
I currently have a 7 years 7 month old sow named fudge. She has been in heart failure for 16 months, has close kidney monitoring as her heart medication causes kidney damage, has arthritis in her hips and recently spine, and was diagnosed with an ovarian cyst last week! Her kidney levels have now started to rise slightly (tested by urine and not near failure levels as yet) but given this has only happened since her last kidney check 2 months previously, the kidneys are clearly massively more resilient than you'd expect in an elderly pig! She is on half dose of Metacam in the morning and a full dose at night for her arthritis, and is also on tramadol given at the same time. With this she is bright, agile and still manages to popcorn (albeit pathetically!). Due to being in heart failure, she can't have an anaesthetic under any circumstances.. So She had her first hormone injection last week for the ovarian cyst. 1 week later her cyst was gone and she was noticeably happier. She's just had her second injection Wednesday and she doesn't need a third.

Don't give up hope.. Weigh up the risks and find out where those kidneys are at before you make any decisions.. This will let you know if you should push for a more invasive, long term solution treatment plan or just manage medically to keep her comfortable. The latter isn't a death sentence either.. I've been doing it for 16 months and Fudge is still very much enjoying her life like the total legend she is.

I really hope you make some positive steps forward soon x

Thank you so much - that is incredibly useful and gives me hope ! I will talk to my vet about this at our next appointment.

Fudge sounds epic.
 
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