Are they just working out hierarchy?

Ethelandmarigold

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Hi,
I recently got two young guinea pigs. They used to live with quite a few others but when I selected them, I did so because they were huddled together. I never see any fighting, I do see disputes when say, one is coming over to another and they shoo them away, or one wants to sit where the other is and they don’t let them, but never any actual fights.
One female is larger and always vocal (never squeals just chats and sometime rumblestruts), the other is smaller and silent but I think the vocal one may be the lower ranker.

Anyway, they will sit together, although often they sit apart, nothing ever happens when they eat or drink.

The day I got them, my larger female had a bit of a pink ear and the following few days it would be pink too. No wounds just pink, I figured she was maybe hot and kept an eye on it.

Yesterday I came home quite late and had a look at them, and she had a scab and a spot, both with puss in which later burst and the bottom of her other ear was inflamed but no spots or scabs so I washed with saline and put on sudocreme, made her an appointment with the vet and took her today.

He seems to think it’s bites and she is being bullied and they may not get along. The sounds are only small and she’s on antibiotic as they did have puss in. I brought them back and they’ve been snuggling under one of their huts. I have seen the smaller one snap at her for trying to squeeze in a hut sand when she was getting up a bit later on but that was forgotten quickly and they’re sat together again. She never retaliates but does wander off vocalising.

They have 4 huts, two bowls, two lots of hay, a water bowl and a water bottle so there’s not much to dispute over.

Other than normal dominance behaviours, I never see any aggression or fights, never full chasing or heavy attacks.

Anyone any ideas? I don’t want to split them up but I’m not sure what else it is, unless the ear problem isn’t bites.

They are both only 3 months old and I’ve only had them as a pair for a week, so I’m thinking they’re just sorting out dominance? Both I and be vet have looked over them both and there was no other bites, lumps or bumps.

Sorry long thread.
Thanks in advance
 
Hi,
I recently got two young guinea pigs. They used to live with quite a few others but when I selected them, I did so because they were huddled together. I never see any fighting, I do see disputes when say, one is coming over to another and they shoo them away, or one wants to sit where the other is and they don’t let them, but never any actual fights.
One female is larger and always vocal (never squeals just chats and sometime rumblestruts), the other is smaller and silent but I think the vocal one may be the lower ranker.

Anyway, they will sit together, although often they sit apart, nothing ever happens when they eat or drink.

The day I got them, my larger female had a bit of a pink ear and the following few days it would be pink too. No wounds just pink, I figured she was maybe hot and kept an eye on it.

Yesterday I came home quite late and had a look at them, and she had a scab and a spot, both with puss in which later burst and the bottom of her other ear was inflamed but no spots or scabs so I washed with saline and put on sudocreme, made her an appointment with the vet and took her today.

He seems to think it’s bites and she is being bullied and they may not get along. The sounds are only small and she’s on antibiotic as they did have puss in. I brought them back and they’ve been snuggling under one of their huts. I have seen the smaller one snap at her for trying to squeeze in a hut sand when she was getting up a bit later on but that was forgotten quickly and they’re sat together again. She never retaliates but does wander off vocalising.

They have 4 huts, two bowls, two lots of hay, a water bowl and a water bottle so there’s not much to dispute over.

Other than normal dominance behaviours, I never see any aggression or fights, never full chasing or heavy attacks.

Anyone any ideas? I don’t want to split them up but I’m not sure what else it is, unless the ear problem isn’t bites.

They are both only 3 months old and I’ve only had them as a pair for a week, so I’m thinking they’re just sorting out dominance? Both I and be vet have looked over them both and there was no other bites, lumps or bumps.

Sorry long thread.
Thanks in advance

Hi!

Can you please post a picture? This is very unusual. How piggy savvy is your vet?
 
Hi!
Yep, The first photo is how I found her last night, second when I had cleaned with saline and third is tonight, she’s got a little sudocreme on still.
I’m not sure, my closest vets is a vets 4 pets so we went there and he seemed to know about common ailments but I don’t know how specialised he was.he did a good check in her ears etc too.
The last photo is the pile of guinea pig that is my pair currently.
Thank you!
 

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Hi!

Can you please post a picture? This is very unusual. How piggy savvy is your vet?
Hi!
Yep, The first photo is how I found her last night, second when I had cleaned with saline and third is tonight, she’s got a little sudocreme on still.
I’m not sure, my closest vets is a vets 4 pets so we went there and he seemed to know about common ailments but I don’t know how specialised he was. he did a good check in her ears etc too.
The last photo is the pile of guinea pig that is my pair currently.
Thank you!
 

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Hi!
Yep, The first photo is how I found her last night, second when I had cleaned with saline and third is tonight, she’s got a little sudocreme on still.
I’m not sure, my closest vets is a vets 4 pets so we went there and he seemed to know about common ailments but I don’t know how specialised he was. he did a good check in her ears etc too.
The last photo is the pile of guinea pig that is my pair currently.
Thank you!

Hi!

That is a bite mark on the ear. Please be aware that piggies will bite in instinctive defence when they are very much on edge or to get out of a tight spot they have been blocked into. Outright aggression is actually comparatively rare but bullying does happen.
" Biting" And What You Can Do (Biting, Tweaking, Nibbling and Nipping)
Sows: Behaviour and female health problems (including ovarian cysts)
Moody guinea pigs: Depression, Bullying, Aggression, Stress, Fear and Antisocial Behaviour

Make sure that you have got enough space, hideys with only two exits, no dead corners a sow can be 'locked in', and prevent food bullying by feeding veg and 1-2 tablespoons per piggy per day (adults only one tabelspoon) in small enough portions that can be eaten in one go either in two bowls that are at least a body length apart and that are taken out of the cage in between meals or sprinkle feed around the cage. Since hay makes over 80% of the daily food intake, this will encourage them to eat as much as possible, which will have a positive long term impact on her health and life span.
Bonds In Trouble
Cage Size Guide

PS: Has your vet commented on that that the ear actually looks like it could also have fungal/potentially ringworm?
Recommended Guinea Pig Vets
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness)
 
Hi!

That is a bite mark on the ear. Please be aware that piggies will bite in instinctive defence when they are very much on edge or to get out of a tight spot they have been blocked into. Outright aggression is actually comparatively rare but bullying does happen.
" Biting" And What You Can Do (Biting, Tweaking, Nibbling and Nipping)
Sows: Behaviour and female health problems (including ovarian cysts)
Moody guinea pigs: Depression, Bullying, Aggression, Stress, Fear and Antisocial Behaviour

Make sure that you have got enough space, hideys with only two exits, no dead corners a sow can be 'locked in', and prevent food bullying by feeding veg and 1-2 tablespoons per piggy per day (adults only one tabelspoon) in small enough portions that can be eaten in one go either in two bowls that are at least a body length apart and that are taken out of the cage in between meals or sprinkle feed around the cage. Since hay makes over 80% of the daily food intake, this will encourage them to eat as much as possible, which will have a positive long term impact on her health and life span.
Bonds In Trouble
Cage Size Guide

PS: Has your vet commented on that that the ear actually looks like it could also have fungal/potentially ringworm?
Recommended Guinea Pig Vets
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness)

Hi,
Thanks for your reply, I’ve read through the attached threads they were really helpful. I haven’t seen any chasing or any of the more aggressive behaviours which is promising.

Yes he did comment on ringworm but there’s no flaking skin etc so he said he didn’t think it was that, the white is just the sudocreme. He put her on baytril to be sure. I will give the recommended vet from the list a call to just double check.

They currently get 5 table spoons so I’ll cut that down, they were on 40grams a day each when I got them which was a lot so I cut that right down. They have two bowls but generally eat from the same one and i always scatter all of their veg and they always have a lot of hay available in two areas of the cage which they’re starting to eat a lot more now.

There’s 4 huts and only one has one enterance/exit but weirdly this is the one they will spend time in together. There was one area she could have been backed in to which I have now changed. The only time I’ve seen her nip at her is over a treat that they had.

The cage is the same length and 10cm wider than a 2x4 c&c but I’m considering switching to one means it’s easy to add more space to them. I added in a second level to the one I’ve got as well but they never use it.

Is it likely with them only being 3/4 months old and still only settling in they’re just working out who’s in charge?
I also wondered... the one who has bitten her has virtually no ears herself as they were badly nibbled before I got them, is she likely to then be more likely to nibble her cage mates?

Thanks for the advice 🙂
 
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