Babies Shrieking When Away From One Another

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So I have three little piggies, a dad and what I originally thought was two sons, turns out one is a girl though! But the boys are getting neutered because they seem so upset to not all be together. They are technically in the same cage right now just with a barrier between them, they can see each other and touch noses and everything but they still seem upset about it. They try to chew through the bars all the time and sometimes they shriek if they can't see each other for a second. The little ones have always shrieked like that when separated. If I take Neji out then Keba (who may or may not get a girls name now that I know) will scream for him and he'll do the same thing. If two different people are holding the little ones and they shriek all you have to do is stand by each other so they can see each other and then they calm down. Is this normal behavior for very close guinea pigs like litter mates? The internet just says that they shriek when they're in pain. But my little ones are not in pain they just want each other I think.
 
So I have three little piggies, a dad and what I originally thought was two sons, turns out one is a girl though! But the boys are getting neutered because they seem so upset to not all be together. They are technically in the same cage right now just with a barrier between them, they can see each other and touch noses and everything but they still seem upset about it. They try to chew through the bars all the time and sometimes they shriek if they can't see each other for a second. The little ones have always shrieked like that when separated. If I take Neji out then Keba (who may or may not get a girls name now that I know) will scream for him and he'll do the same thing. If two different people are holding the little ones and they shriek all you have to do is stand by each other so they can see each other and then they calm down. Is this normal behavior for very close guinea pigs like litter mates? The internet just says that they shriek when they're in pain. But my little ones are not in pain they just want each other I think.

Hi and welcome!

I am very sorry, but you can't keep more than one neutered boar with any number of sows, or they are likely to fight. Separations are hard for young guinea pigs, and they can be very vocal, especially in the first few days. After that, things will calm down. It is heart-breaking and unpsetting to sit through it, and you have my full sympathy!

Guinea pigs don't just squeal in pain, but they also squeal when being separated (especially when they are still basically babies) and they squeal as a gesture of submission. It is the latter that is usually mistaken for pain by many owners. Submission squealing is very dramatic, but also very effective in preventing the dominant piggy from hurting a submissive one. Most dominance gestures look more brutal than they actually are - they are very carefully judged demonstration of power in order to minimise any actual fighting and biting, which is pretty rare.

How old is Keba now and how long has she been separated? Sows come into season for the first time between 4-6 weeks old, so there is likely a good chance that she may be pregnant. If that is the case, please open an ongoing support thread in our pregnancy section. You can find detailed guides for pregnancy care, diet and the whole period until the end of the nursing period/separation time at the top of that section.
This guide here may help you with sexing and separation issues: https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/sexing-separating-baby-boars-and-rehoming-babies.109391/, including a link to the best sexing guide I know. You determine the sex best by looking inside the slit - sows have side flaps, which seal the slit when they are not in season; boars have a hole that goes straight down.
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/pregnancy-guide.109375/
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/pregnancy-and-nursing-diet.109377/ (very important for managing the birthing risks that you can influence)

You may also find our new owners information kit very helpful. We have got lots of information on behaviour and settling in/interaction aspects as well as other useful need-to-know information to help new owners to a good start.
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Thank you so much for your advice! Is it specifically the neutering that will make the boys fight more around the girl? Or is it purely that they will just always fight for dominance?

And Keba and Neji are both about three months old. It was about a week ago that I noticed her getting mounted and her rumbling back to the boys, before she didn't seem interested. Is it possible she didn't go into heat until recently? How do I know if she's pregnant?
 
Added note! The boys get along very well, even when Keba was in with them. Could I try them together again awhile after the surgery and just monitor really well and maybe it might work out? The boys love on each other and cuddle a lot, only once did they get kinda violent, but there was no blood drawn or anything! It happened when I took Keba out. But since then they've been great again!
 
Added note! The boys get along very well, even when Keba was in with them. Could I try them together again awhile after the surgery and just monitor really well and maybe it might work out? The boys love on each other and cuddle a lot, only once did they get kinda violent, but there was no blood drawn or anything! It happened when I took Keba out. But since then they've been great again!

You could always try but please wait at least 6 weeks post neuter before you let them near the girl again. But as wiebke said she may already be pregnant so you'll have to sit through pregnancy watch first to make sure she isn't before you consider anything else x
 
Thank you so much for your advice! Is it specifically the neutering that will make the boys fight more around the girl? Or is it purely that they will just always fight for dominance?

And Keba and Neji are both about three months old. It was about a week ago that I noticed her getting mounted and her rumbling back to the boys, before she didn't seem interested. Is it possible she didn't go into heat until recently? How do I know if she's pregnant?

It is VERY likely that Keba is already pregnant and that what you noticed was just the first stirring of boar hormones as the testicles prepare to descend. Unfortunately, boars don't need descended testicles in order to make babies! :(
Please open an ongoing support thread in our pregnancy section as you have to treat Keba as a pregnant sow until she has babies or you know otherwise for sure. Keba is going to have babies somewhere from 14 weeks of age at the very earliest to 10 weeks from the day you have separated her at the very latest.
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/forums/pregnancy-baby-care-and-sexing-no-breeding.11/

Boars will always fight for dominance. Neutering will in no way curb the normal behaviour, as my own neutered boars can attest - they still mount and mate and behave like full boars (just without the facility if firing life rounds)! In guinea pigs, sexual and social dominance behaviour are very closely linked, so neutering is not the behaviour changer like it is in rabbits. neutering doesn't make guinea pig boars more aggressive, but it doesn't change their normal behaviour, either. It simply takes away the ability to make babies after 6 weeks post-op safety wait - that is all.
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In your case, I would recommend to wait and see what how many/which sex babies Keba has and then neuter/pair up as needed to achieve a longer term stable solution. But you will always end with at least two groups, whatever you do. :(
 
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