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Bald Spot On Side Of Nose - What Might It Be?

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Just got back from our hols. Piggies all looking well, all weights checked and all have gained (none are fully grown yet), have seen all eating etc. I checked them all over this morning when we had them out for some cuddles and indoor play time. This afternoon I put our group of 4 out in the run on the grass. Fetched them in a short while ago and noticed Red Lazer has a small bald spot on the side of her nose. On the very edge of it there is a slightly dark spot and this looks possibly like a tiny scratch.

The bald area is probably just smaller than the size of a 5p piece.

What could it be and what treatment should I give?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when I put them out today as I think I would have noticed it as I've been even more keen eyed than usual due to just getting back.

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Thanks so much. I will be very careful as warned!

Is it likely that it came on so suddenly? Or is it more likely I somehow missed it earlier?

I have some of the basic stuff for fungal from when we took on a pair of piggies who had suffered (a while ago now and they live separately so don't think it has transmitted). So I can give that a go over the weekend, keep a watchful eye on it and then go to the vets without paying weekend rates at least.

Should I separate (quarantine) her to be on the safe side? I have a spare hospital cage that I got just in case ever needed so could move her straight away. Unfortunately, our house is open plan so I can't move her into a different room but can put her in a different area.
 
@Wiebke @helen105281 I've ordered some F10 and also some anigene hld4v from Viovet and it looks like the Bob Martin disinfectant that we already have is anti fungal so I can use that until the others arrive.

About to do full cage clean. I am making the switch today to Fitch from wood shavings (coincidence as I had decided to do this anyway). Is Fitch a good choice with possible fungal infection?

Also, if anyone does have any views on the quarantining question above, please I'd be really happy to hear them.
 
Which bedding you are using is immaterial as long as you clean regularly and wash any fabrics at a higher temperature.

As Red Lazer is living in a bigger group, it is worth separating, but the fungal may already have spread. To prevent the others from developing visible symptoms and spreading the fungal further, you need to give them thorough all body dips or fungal baths.
 
Thanks so much. I will be very careful as warned!

Is it likely that it came on so suddenly? Or is it more likely I somehow missed it earlier?

I have some of the basic stuff for fungal from when we took on a pair of piggies who had suffered (a while ago now and they live separately so don't think it has transmitted). So I can give that a go over the weekend, keep a watchful eye on it and then go to the vets without paying weekend rates at least.

Should I separate (quarantine) her to be on the safe side? I have a spare hospital cage that I got just in case ever needed so could move her straight away. Unfortunately, our house is open plan so I can't move her into a different room but can put her in a different area.

Fungal has an incubation period of about 10-14 days. When it appears, it can be quite suddenly but if it isn't a bloody patch, you may not necessarily notice immediately.
 
Which bedding you are using is immaterial as long as you clean regularly and wash any fabrics at a higher temperature.

As Red Lazer is living in a bigger group, it is worth separating, but the fungal may already have spread. To prevent the others from developing visible symptoms and spreading the fungal further, you need to give them thorough all body dips or fungal baths.
Thanks again @Wiebke would you be able to point me in the direction of a thread on body dips / fungal baths so I can check I have the right stuff and am doing it right please?

I'm a bit torn on the separating now. If there is a good chance it may well have already spread, perhaps I just give them all full dips/fungal baths once every few days and continue for a short while after it has cleared up. I might separate for a couple of days though and see what we are dealing with first.

Red Lazer is the (very) dominant sow in the group of 4 and I think she will particularly struggle with being on her own - especially as I'd need to move her out of sight of the others.
 
Hi piggysmitten two of mine had fungal (ringworm) the third didn't have any signs until he got a patch on his nose (like your piggy) a week later. So I'm glad I treated all three of mine at the same time so that the ringworm (in my case) didn't carry on needing treatment for weeks/months. :)
I hope your piggies are all better soon.
 
Hi @My3cuteBoys I was thinking of messaging you to get some top tips as I had in mind you'd experienced this - was just going to check back to make sure I'd got the right person but no need now!
Did you have to wait a while for the vet to come back to you and confirm diagnosis (in my ignorance I assume lab test means sending a sample off to be looked at)? If so, what did you do in the meantime?
 
Hi @PiggySmitten , I recently (about 3/4 months ago) had to deal with Haven having ringworm. She had a scrape culture and i think that took a week (?) to culture. But he treated straight away for ringworm anyway. We had a spray to apply to the affected area twice a day and also did immaverol dip's in between and cleaned the cage daily with f10 cleaner and washed bedding daily on 1 60 degree wash.
I am tagging @helen105281 , as she gave me some great advice for fungal/ringworm :) Hope this helps x
 
Hi @PiggySmitten , I recently (about 3/4 months ago) had to deal with Haven having ringworm. She had a scrape culture and i think that took a week (?) to culture. But he treated straight away for ringworm anyway. We had a spray to apply to the affected area twice a day and also did immaverol dip's in between and cleaned the cage daily with f10 cleaner and washed bedding daily on 1 60 degree wash.
I am tagging @helen105281 , as she gave me some great advice for fungal/ringworm :) Hope this helps x
Thanks so much. x
 
Hi @My3cuteBoys I was thinking of messaging you to get some top tips as I had in mind you'd experienced this - was just going to check back to make sure I'd got the right person but no need now!
Did you have to wait a while for the vet to come back to you and confirm diagnosis (in my ignorance I assume lab test means sending a sample off to be looked at)? If so, what did you do in the meantime?
Hi Hun happy to help. :hug:
I was given a vets appointment really quickly once I explained over the phone about hair loss and crusty patches (their immune system was that low the vet said that's why they had a bad infestation of lice and mites too) not that red laser would be like this as shes very loved and cared for piggy. The vet took hair samples from all three which were tested straight away for the lice and mites she suspected they had ringworm too, so the sample was also tested for that but would take 7-10 days for the results to come back. She gave me the F10 disinfectant and said I was to clean out their hutch everyday, washing all towels and fabrics on a high temp and spraying all the hutch including toys, tunnels, drinks bottles, bowls etc with this F10 (then rinsing anything they chewed or ate from) I also had to spray my fellas twice a day with a F10 antiseptic until wet all over (avoiding spraying it direct into eyes, nose, mouth) I have read that you can get a dip type of this too I think they are both the same thing. I was also told I should be the only one handling them during this 4 week treatment, hand washing and changing of my clothes after each contact would help stop the spread to others. A week later I received a phone call from the vet to say they all tested positive for ringworm I had to take them in the following day to be weighed and discuss the best treatment I'm my case the vet and I opted for Oral Itrafungol solution the dose is based on their weight so I had weekly free weight check ups over the 4 weeks then at. 4 weeks hair samples were taken again from each piggy and I had a further 7-10 days wait for those results, I had to carry on using both F10's whilst we waited but not the itrafungol as it can cause problems if taken to long or not used correctly my vet told me.
Kell
 
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The thread that Wibeke linked to earlier covers all of the basic information.

I would always recommend Itrafungol (though my vet uses the cat regime which is different to what is recommended by some vets: 1 week on, 1 week off for a total of 6 weeks and it keeps working on the weeks off). Imaverol is also effective, but must be used as a dip and not rinsed off, I also apply topically between the dips (which I do once a week).

Hygiene is also incredibly important as mentioned above.
 
The thread that Wibeke linked to earlier covers all of the basic information.

I would always recommend Itrafungol (though my vet uses the cat regime which is different to what is recommended by some vets: 1 week on, 1 week off for a total of 6 weeks and it keeps working on the weeks off). Imaverol is also effective, but must be used as a dip and not rinsed off, I also apply topically between the dips (which I do once a week).

Hygiene is also incredibly important as mentioned above.
Am I right in thinking I need a vet prescription to get imaverol and itrafungol?
Don't worry I'm not thinking of doing my own diagnosing I just wondered as Viovet seems to sell them and I don't understand how the whole getting prescriptions online works - surely when you need meds like these you need them now not in a few days when dispatched online?
 
Yes for the Itrafungol.

For Imaverol you can buy it here without a prescription (it is not under the brand name Imaverol but is the same thing).

http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Enilconazole-100mg_ml-100ml/productinfo/ENILCON/

It depends how urgent it is, Itrafungol can be about £70 for a bottle from the vets but they may give you a small amount to keep you going until the online stuff arrives. I had to treat 15 pigs a year or so ago and bought from Animed but luckily already had a bottle at home which the vet agreed we could use in the meantime.
 
Imaverol you can get prescription free, but itrafungol (an oral systemic fungal medication) you need a prescription for. However, I have found both of them most effective when treating ringworm.
 
Tiny bald spot has now appeared on Fizz's bottom. So that's 2 of them suffering :( (Not a very clear picture - sorry).
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It looks rather like you are dealing with a proper outbreak! I am sorry; I have been there with 16 piggies of mine and the sheer logistics have been a nightmare even though I could keep the number of fully affected piggies to two, so it was worth the effort! :(
 
It looks rather like you are dealing with a proper outbreak! I am sorry; I have been there with 16 piggies of mine and the sheer logistics have been a nightmare even though I could keep the number of fully affected piggies to two, so it was worth the effort! :(
Yeah - might have to give up work! Have only just got back from hols so am going to have to be careful not to take too many liberties with my flexible working arrangements but am already planning how to fit in the extra washing of my clothes and I've put them on fleece because I thought it might be easier (quicker) to change it more frequently than the Fitch so will need to wash that. The washing machine is going to be permanently on - I've got 3 children too!

They've all been really good - we've explained they can't touch any of the piggies at all until we've got diagnosis and done treatments. They are a bit disappointed as they really missed the piggies while we were away but I think the fear of catching something has worked as a good enough deterrent.

Do you think I take all 4 to the vets or just Fizz and Red Lazer or just Red Lazer?
 
Yeah - might have to give up work! Have only just got back from hols so am going to have to be careful not to take too many liberties with my flexible working arrangements but am already planning how to fit in the extra washing of my clothes and I've put them on fleece because I thought it might be easier (quicker) to change it more frequently than the Fitch so will need to wash that. The washing machine is going to be permanently on - I've got 3 children too!

They've all been really good - we've explained they can't touch any of the piggies at all until we've got diagnosis and done treatments. They are a bit disappointed as they really missed the piggies while we were away but I think the fear of catching something has worked as a good enough deterrent.

Do you think I take all 4 to the vets or just Fizz and Red Lazer or just Red Lazer?
Take all four Hun, I've PM you a reply sorry it was a bit rushed my little one woke up.
 
@helen105281 @Wiebke I was checking the price of imaverol on Viovet website yesterday and noticed a customer q&a where they said it wasn't licensed for cats. I asked them whether it was licensed for guinea pigs and their response is below.

Were you asked what animal it was for when you bought it or did you have an "off label" prescription from your vet?

If the infection turns out to be fungal but not ringworm, will it still be good to use this to dip? I'm wanting to get a preventative dip or shampoo or spray really that I can use for all the girls including the other two whose cage is nearby to try and keep it from spreading if I can.

from Viovet: "Imaverol is a POM-VPS product for dogs, cattle and horses and isn't licensed for cats or guinea pigs but it is often prescribed for them by their veterinary surgeon. We wouldn't be allowed to supply you without a prescription from your vet if you wanted to use it on an animal it isn't licensed for, because this is known as 'off-label' use. Your vet will be able to write you an 'off-label' prescription for them which will include a dosage appropriate for the animal, and then we would be allowed to supply under their recommendation."
 
I got my imaverol from hyperdrug. I was asked what animals it was for and their ages. Not sure whether they still sell it or have tightened up their conditions, though, as my lot was still valid the last time I had to use it.
 
I got my imaverol from hyperdrug. I was asked what animals it was for and their ages. Not sure whether they still sell it or have tightened up their conditions, though, as my lot was still valid the last time I had to use it.
I think it must be to do with that exception to the law for self medicating your own pets. There was a post not that long ago on the forum about that. The exception must only apply if the drug is licensed for use on the animal type in question.
I suppose I could just say it was for a dog as get it but then will I know the correct strength to make the dip at? Do you happen to know whether vets generally charge for issuing an off label prescription or, come to that, any prescription you don't then get them to dispense but take away to order online instead?

Also (sorry for all the questions) is there a particular form I need a prescription to be given to me in if I want to then get it online?
 
You make up the dip to the recommended strength of 1:50.

The vet will charge a fee for issuing a label prescription. They should have a form for that.
 
If you use the link I gave you it is for the version that Hyperdrug sell specifically for small animals. It is the same as Imaverol but sold as Enilconazole. You won't need a prescription that way.
 
Hmm not quite sure what to make of my vet visit. Welcome views.

I took all 4 girls who live together in. I explained I was fairly sure Red Lazer had some sort of fungal infection and Fizz probably too but wanted a vet confirmation of that in each case and also whether or not it was ringworm.
The vet himself I quite like - you know, in the way that you often either take to someone or not shortly after you meet them. He remembered seeing Fizz when she had a poorly toe and he asked to have a quick look at that to check it.

I got Red Lazer out first though and he very quickly said he agreed. His (pretty much exact) words were "yes I think you're right, that looks like ringworm". However, he didn't suggest doing any sort of test at all. In the heat of the moment I didn't think to insist on that happening - I just presumed that he was so well experienced he could be very certain just from looking. He checked Red Lazer thoroughly all over and listened to her heartbeat but said there was just the bit on her face so far as he could see. He weighed her too.

Next he checked Fizz. He said he wasn't certain whether it was fungal or not the spot on her bottom. He wondered out loud whether it was just actually her scent gland. I think he said scent rather than sweat but I presume they are the same thing? I pointed out that the patch was slightly off centre (all our pigs sweat glands seem to me to be central on their bum). He agreed and said that there was no harm treating her too anyway. He then weighed and checked Fizz all over (pleased to say he was happy that her toe was fine now!).

He then checked Blossom and Nibbles and said he couldn't see any sign of fungal or anything else wrong with them. That was what I thought too when I'd checked them. He said to separate Fizz and Red Lazer from Blossom and Nibbles until all was better. Because I was a little bit confused on the ringworm or other fungal point, I asked him whether it would be ok to just divide their cage and give them half each. He said that would be fine so long as they both had plenty of room still. Of course, after I left, I thought - hang on a minute, aren't all fungal infections likely to be carried by spores so does that really make sense and wouldn't a further apart split be better?

He has prescribed itrafungol for Fizz and Red Lazer. It's a 2 week course. He said to call him if it hasn't cleared up by then and he would then prescribe some more but would want me to follow a 6 week regimen in total of 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off then 2 weeks on. To get it from him cost £25 for basically half a 52ml bottle so, having looked carefully at the online prices first and knowing I'd have to pay for the prescription from him if I wanted to get it online instead and I would have to wait 24 hours at least to get it, I decided to just get it from him.

That seemed to then be the end of the consultation. So I was a bit surprised - no advice given to me about disinfecting cages, hands etc and no mention of dipping/bathing. So I asked about using imaverol. He was positive and agreed it was often used and that I could use it. He said he wouldn't prescribe it as I could get it cheaper online. I mentioned that it isn't licensed for guinea pigs and he kind of nodded but didn't offer to prescribe it for me. I didn't push him to as I knew about the alternative sold by Hyperdrug (thanks @helen105281 !) anyway.

Only other thing to mention is that during all that going on, he mentioned that he is seeing quite a lot of guinea pigs now - its a Vets for Pets and he said he's been seeing the Pets at Home piggies. This is good in that he's getting quite a lot of experience at looking at guinea pigs I suppose.

As an aside from the main purpose of this thread, he said that the Pets at Home store he looks after are always bringing their animals in to him and that he always knows when they've had a new batch as they always seem to come with something or other illness wise but that they bring them a lot even when no new batches if they ever think there is anything wrong. To me that's another reason not to get an animal from Pets at Home but I have to say that it did back up the opinion I also have of this particular Pets at Home store which is that their animals do seem to be looked after quite well compared with others I have been into. I have to say I've stopped buying stuff there though because of what people have said on this forum generally about Pets at Home. I just use it to see what things look like before getting them online from other places!

So, I think where I've ended up is that, thanks to everyone on here, I feel I've got the "missing" bits of advice the vet didn't give me and I've got from the vet the meds that I probably need. I've separated Red Lazer and Fizz into an entirely different cage, I can't move to another room as we are open plan but I've moved them a good distance away and round a corner. My plan is to get the imaverol (hyper drug one) to follow the repeated dipping for those two and for the other 2 of these girls and the other two girls who also live indoors give them one dip and possibly one more.

How does that sound? Any views on my plan or my vet experience?
 
That sounds ok to me, the treatment is the same whether a culture is done or not. I would dip all pigs the same number of times just to be safe. Glad he prescribed Itrafungol too. It is not unusual for a vet not to mention the hygiene side of things, just follow the guidance in the ringworm guide on here.

Is worrying how many sick Pets at Home pigs there are though.
 
It makes my cross that pets at home and other pet shops are allowed to sell small animal they should have a huge poster by the door/till with contact details of proper rescue places to visit. I've never brought a pet from a pet shop but I'm guessing you can just walk in and buy them without a home check etc....grrrr would be interesting to know if pets at home check their breeders properly. I'm hearing a lot on here lately about ill pets at home piggies you would of thought you could trust a big company ...clearly not.
Anyway @PiggySmitten glad to hear you have got the itrafungol from you vet and with all the things you have read on here I'm sure you with have your ladies better in no time, I think your your plan to separate fizz and red lazar is a good idea and to dip all your girls :)
Kell x
 
Please follow our instructions for ringworm hygiene. I completely agree with @helen105281; make sure that you treat all your piggies with imaverol. The time between becoming infected and ringworm symptoms showing is 10-14 days. Not all piggies will necessarily catch ringworm from their comrades but you do want to make sure that no more will come down with it!
Ringworm can be diagnosed without an expensive lab test when you know what to look out for. Many vets are unfortunately not quite up on the hygiene issues (the same as the need to hand feed), which is one of the main reasons why we have created our detailed ringworm and the hand feeding guides in the first place.

It is good that you have got the itrafungol; that is the main issue. It should work within a week.
 
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