• Discussions taking place within this forum are intended for the purpose of assisting you in discussing options with your vet. Any other use of advice given here is done so at your risk, is solely your responsibility and not that of this forum or its owner. Before posting it is your responsibility you abide by this Statement

Bald Spot On Side Of Nose - What Might It Be?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Thanks again all. Should I dip once a week for 4 weeks or every third day for a total of three times? The latter came from the ringworm hygiene thread and the former from @helen105281 recent advice to @My3cuteBoys re her suspected fungal on Oreo.

Also (probably a really stupid question this one) by "dip" do we mean totally immerse the piggies by putting them under the surface or should I be dipping their bodies only and then wiping it onto their face and anywhere else not fully immersed until they are soaking wet? I would worry about the shock of a complete full immersion for the poor things.
 
Either way works; there is some leeway in the effective interval. I have my recommendations from a rescue lady that is treating ringworm on a sadly far too regular basis. I would recommend the tighter interval if you are dealing with a case where the ringworm is well established and you need to continue until you are on top of it; the wider interval is fine if you are dealing with a fresh outbreak. A tighter interval may also be better if you can't get a prescription for a systemic oral medication (which has only very recently been used for guinea pigs).
As you are treating at the same time with a systemic oral fungal in a two-pronged attack, you are in the very comfortable position that between the systemic and the topical approach, you should be able to stop the ringworm within a week anyway.

You can do the dip over a bowl that has just a shallow bit of the dip solution at the bottom and then work it into the rest of the body; make sure that every inch of skin is covered. If necessary use a syringe to get at very tight or sensitive spots that you want to target carefully like ears, mouth or ears; with the syringe you can get right down to the crucial hair roots. The good thing about imaverol is that it doesn't sting in the eyes considering that ringworm often appears right next to particularly sensitive areas. But whichever way you go about it, you need to make sure that you get it on the whole body.
 
I agree with Wiebke. Sorry I forgot I dip at a different interval. I always go by my friend's treatment regime.
 
@Wiebke @helen105281 @My3cuteBoys @jenniferanneharris I just wanted to say thanks to each of you for your support on this. Improvement feels a bit slow but it does look like Red Lazers little patch is regrowing some hair already and Fizz's skin looks better after the first imaverol dip. They both look utterly fed up in their temporary cage though - poor things. I can't wait until they can move back in with Nibbles and Blossom but it's a while off yet. I've been making them new hideys each day with fresh cardboard to give them some added entertainment. They are still enjoying run time outside at least!
 
@helen105281 sorry to bother you again but would appreciate your knowledge. Red Lazer only had the single patch which was in the photo above and it's classic fit with the pics in the ringworm thread so hair now regrowing from the inside out.
It's Fizz I'm not sure about. They have been together throughout. Both had the oral itrafungol and both have had 3 dips 3 days apart. Fizz has suffered some hair loss along the middle of her back - the hairs are shorter there. She's had dandruff type symptoms throughout too. They don't seem to have got any better. Pic below from today. Should I do some more dipping? Is she still infected rather than recovering? I'm still keeping them apart from the others anyway until they've been clear for 14 days. Thanks for any help.
image.webp
 
Sorry for the delay, I read this at the vets then forgot to reply. I think it does look infected still, you could always apply the Imaverol topically daily or if not do another round of dips.

I found out the reason that I have been advised to dip weekly, it is because the Imaverol does not have time to work between dips.

I am wondering about mange mites too though, do the hairs seem broken half way down the shaft?
 
helen105281 said:
Sorry for the delay, I read this at the vets then forgot to reply. I think it does look infected still, you could always apply the Imaverol topically daily or if not do another round of dips.

I found out the reason that I have been advised to dip weekly, it is because the Imaverol does not have time to work between dips.

I am wondering about mange mites too though, do the hairs seem broken half way down the shaft?
Click to expand...
Thanks and no need to apologise - I'm just grateful to you for helping me at all.

I don't think the hairs seem broken half way down the shaft but I'm not really sure what that looks like. Is there a thread with pic examples? I will have a look.

I remember now the vet did say he'd advise two weeks on, two weeks off if another round of itrafungol was going to be needed so he wouldn't be recommending it for another week or so if I did go back right now.

I can start applying the imaverol topically tomorrow and when it's a week since I last dipped I will dip again.

What should I do with Red Lazer? Leave her in with Fizz or move her by herself until the end of her quarantine? she's so well recovered I don't really want her to get reinfected or infected with something else but I'm not sure about the effect on them both of being alone.
 
Personally I would leave them together and treat them both with the dips. For topical application I use 5ml to 50ml.

All vets use Itrafungol differently. I have been told the most effective method is the cat one which is 6 weeks. It is given as a week on then a week off but it carries on working on the weeks off so even though you are only dosing for 3 weeks it is a 6 week treatment.

There is a thread somewhere I think that I posted absolutely ages ago, is a matter of finding it. I will have a look.
 
Back to the vets today. Red Lazer has been given the all clear. Fizz he said he is 99% sure she is not still fungal infectious but he said he'd like to see more improvement on her coat before she goes back into the group.

I asked again about mange mites but he said she wasn't showing any signs of that. I asked about dipping again with imaverol but he also thought that wasn't necessary any more. He suggested that I try and get Fizz to take some flax seed oil or sunflower oil but putting it on her food. He felt that would be enough to sort her out.

Due to some error with their computer system, they've lost the weights they had from last time I took them in so he wasn't able to check how that was doing. We've has to replace our scales at home as they had become faulty so I'm not sure how reliable the weights I'd recorded over the past few weeks are either. Fizz weighs 770g today. The weight I've got down from 11 September was 743g.

I feel bad about keeping them out of the group (and in the not so nice cage) if Fizz is not infectious any more. The vet seemed quite happy with me just sectioning off part of the c&c for her, returning Red Lazer to the other two and putting Fizz in the sectioned off bit but I don't really see why that is ok but putting them all in together isn't. What do you think?

Also, any views on the oil on food suggestion and how easy or not that is going to be?!
 
I don't agree either, I think they are best staying together into they are both better then you only need to re-bond them all once.

Is the oil for her hair? is it dry?

My Phoebe has had evening primrose oil before and I have given olive oil in times if gut statis or gas but never for this reason. I can't see her taking it on her food, as it tastes foul.

I would be inclined to keep dipping as Imaverol is an emollient.
 
helen105281 said:
I don't agree either, I think they are best staying together into they are both better then you only need to re-bond them all once.

Is the oil for her hair? is it dry?

My Phoebe has had evening primrose oil before and I have given olive oil in times if gut statis or gas but never for this reason. I can't see her taking it on her food, as it tastes foul.

I would be inclined to keep dipping as Imaverol is an emollient.
Click to expand...
I pointed out she had a few flecks of dandruff and he described it as scurvy. I'm happy that she is getting plenty of vit c though and he didn't suggest anything vitamin wise.

I think he was suggesting that the oil was to help with her fur regrowth. He said she probably had had some fungal that wasn't really obvious and that it was in the regrowth stage but he'd just prefer it to look more recovered before I put her back with the others.

I think he thought it would be too hard to rub oil on her (I think that wouldn't be too hard!).

Fizz is a teddy breed and I know they often do have drier skin but it was the hair not quite having recovered yet which prompted me to take her back again really.

I'll see if I can get a photo which shows it.
 
Some photos below. The one with my fingers in is just to highlight the area. It's the bit between my fingers and it's just in a line along her spine. Looking just now there aren't any white flecks at all. The main concern I had was that the hair just seems thinner in this area.
image.webp image.webp image.webp image.webp
 
That is one super cute piggy :love:. I've just read all you post from where I left off (I'm watching this thread but haven't been getting update:no:) Her back looks a lot better since the last photo, my boys all had thin regrowth to start with and now you would never know they had a fungal infection. You have done a great job with fizz and red laser, as we both know ringworm is a nightmare to treat.
 
The face looks great.

The patch on the back does look typical of either fungal or mange mites, though I am more inclined to think fungal. It could be a condition called "Broken back" which is a form of fungal (Candida related I think) I would do another round of dips or even apply Imaverol topically each day just to that area. I would also look at removing grains from the diet, though I think you are doing that already. Grains are heating and can make fungal worse (that's it in a nutshell, the proper explanation is much longer).
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top