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Bart Red Urine

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Aimee&Chrispigs

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after spending nearly a month on antibiotics for a uri which has now cleared up (he has been off meds for a couple of weeks now) we have noticed that his urine is red, we took him to the vets a couple of days ago and due to the fact that he had just had a long course of antibiotics which she thinks may be causing the red urine the vet was reluctant to give him any more for the time being, she did give him an injection of metacam and advised if it didn't clear up to get him back for an ultrasound. does anybody have any advice at all/anything we can give him to help with this?

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Maybe he has IC which is a cystits you don't treat with antibiotics, when Jericho had it we tried him on antibiotics 3 times I think it was maybe 4, then I spoke to someone from Alfreton Vets who suggested it could be IC (I'd also gotten info from the forums) and the vet treating Jericho then spoke to Ellie from Alfreton vets and she suggested giving Jericho cystophan along with painkillers, he's now doing very well, no more problems and no longer on meds *cross fingers*. @helen105281 has been through this as well, maybe she can give you some advice on it, I'm just going on what happened to my guinea and the advice I was given :)
 
Hi!

Is the urine clear or red when it comes out of the body?
If it is clear and dries a really intense rusty colour in contact with the air (oxidisation), you are dealing with a bacterial problem in the bladder. These bacteria are always present, but are normally kept under control by a fully working immune system. They can in some cases flourish in the wake of bladder problems with protracted use of antibiotics/lowere immune system.

If the urine is red when it leaves the body, you are likely dealing with either bladder stones/sludge or a cystitis (inflammation, not infection of the bladder walls). If the latter does not respond well to antibiotics and keeps coming back, you are talking about interstitial cystitis (IC). At the moment, it can only be diagnosed by eliminating all the other bladder problems that cause the same symptoms (UTI, stones/sludge, one-off cystitis); it is not yet all much researched. We cannot cure IC at the moment, only manage it until it goes away on its own after 2-3 years or so (I have some IC survivors). It usually reacts better to anti-inflammatories/painkillers like metacam during its acute phases.

If your piggy hasn't had one yet, I would recommend an x-ray to exclude stones/sludge.

If your piggy is getting diagnosed with IC, these are the things you can do:
- Giving glucosamine either as human vegetarian or vegan glucosamine from a health shop or as a glucosamine based cat food supplement (they are the other species prone to bladder problems) like cystease or cystaid can help support the natural glucosamine coating of the bladder wall surface.
- Keep your piggy on a low calcium diet with filtered water and avoid what some people consider trigger IC foods like carrots, tomatoes or even lots of fresh grass. Some members may advise you on a restricted, but nutritionally balanced long term diet. @helen105281
- Some people have reported that giving barley water (the viscous water that results when you cook pearl barley for 20-40 minutes in some water and then strain out the barley) can help the bladder in the longer term, but we have no sustained evidence of that yet in connection with IC, either. If necessary, adjust the viscosity with adding a little bit more water to make it syringeable, as much as your piggy will take.
 
I fully agree with the above advise. My Emma was diagnosed with IC a few months ago and is now being treated with a daily dose of Cystease (A food supplement for cats with bladder problems) and a daily dose of metacam.

However, my vet only came to this diagnosis after everything else such as urinary tract infections (UTI's), bladder stones, bladder sludge and reproductive problems including ovarian cysts were ruled out.

Emma initially spent quite a few weeks on Septrin which did nothing. X rays and ultrasounds ruled out bladder stones and reproductive problems including overian cysts and urine samples ruled out bladder sludge, crystals and any bacteria with in the bladder that wasn't responding to the antibiotic she was on.

Emma's diet consists of the advise Wiebke has posted above.
 
he is due to have an ultrasound tomorrow, I am not sure what colour it is when it leaves the body as have not seen him go to the toilet only have seen the red patches dotted round the enclosure. we do have another piggy that has the same symptoms but as far as we are aware she has not been under the weather recently (she has been given a weeks course of baytril) could these two be linked?
 
he is due to have an ultrasound tomorrow, I am not sure what colour it is when it leaves the body as have not seen him go to the toilet only have seen the red patches dotted round the enclosure. we do have another piggy that has the same symptoms but as far as we are aware she has not been under the weather recently (she has been given a weeks course of baytril) could these two be linked?

Apart from blood in urine (not always visible to the naked eye) and the occasional squeaking, Emma has acted perfectly normal all along.

I suggest that you may be take both piggies to the vets for urine samples and examinations to find out for sure who is producing the bloody urine.
 
Apart from blood in urine (not always visible to the naked eye) and the occasional squeaking, Emma has acted perfectly normal all along.

I suggest that you may be take both piggies to the vets for urine samples and examinations to find out for sure who is producing the bloody urine.

I agree with @Claire.
 
we separated Bart from the other so we are 100% sure that he has red urine. is there anyway of encouraging them to go for a wee? they both seem fine in themselves both eating and drinking ok and we have not heard them squeak when going to the toilet at all.
 
we separated Bart from the other so we are 100% sure that he has red urine. is there anyway of encouraging them to go for a wee? they both seem fine in themselves both eating and drinking ok and we have not heard them squeak when going to the toilet at all.

Whenever I needed Emma to wee, I would give her lots of watery veg such as cucumber. It did help things along but sadly, it's just a case of sitting it out and waiting for them to wee
 
On the special diet I feed the following twice daily:

1 Sprig coriander
1 slither of spring greens
2 small pieces of cucumber
1 piece of celery
1 green bean
1 slice of pepper (rotate the colours weekly)

I also feed many types of different hay - meadow, orchard grass, timothy hay and oat hay.

I avoid readigrass as I am aware of cases where it has made IC symptoms worse.

I also feed grainless pellets as grains can cause inflammation including in the bladder, the pellets I feed at the moment are these:

Vitakraft Emotion Professional Prebiotic Guinea Pig

I also recommend:

Bunny GuineaPigDream BASIC | Free P&P on orders £29+ at zooplus!

JR Farm Grainless Complete Guinea Pig | Free P&P £29+ at zooplus!
 
we took Bart to the vets on Saturday where he was x-rayed, the vet could find no evidence of bladders stones etc and the vet has prescribed him a 5 day course of Septrin. I will keep an eye on him and hopefully he will get better.
 
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