COVID-19 BBC article about anti-vaxxers, ethnic minorities, and attitudes towards a vaccine

I believe part of the scientific argument against the bcg jab is that it is only 80% effective but anyone who has had it would subsequently always test positive in a blood test for TB exposure? I had the bcg jab and so did piggy daddy, its the one vaccination his parents consented to as they lived on a farm with rescue badgers (though whether it would protect against bovine TB is open to debate...) but my daughter's generation (millenials!) didnt get bcg in the UK and I dont think the USA offer it at all, though they do routinely vaccinate against chickenpox there...
 
It's interesting how times change. In the old days bcg was done at regular intervals (10 years?) it left a nasty scar. Both my grandmother's had very scarred arms. I had it once on the sole of my foot so that the scar doesn't show (thanks Mum). My children all had it they are in their 30s but it was a different type of needle that only left a small mark.
 
piggieminder said:
It's interesting how times change. In the old days bcg was done at regular intervals (10 years?) it left a nasty scar. Both my grandmother's had very scarred arms. I had it once on the sole of my foot so that the scar doesn't show (thanks Mum). My children all had it they are in their 30s but it was a different type of needle that only left a small mark.
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Yes mine is a very small scar but piggy daddy's bcg scar looks like a moon crater!
 
piggieminder said:
It's interesting how times change. In the old days bcg was done at regular intervals (10 years?) it left a nasty scar. Both my grandmother's had very scarred arms. I had it once on the sole of my foot so that the scar doesn't show (thanks Mum). My children all had it they are in their 30s but it was a different type of needle that only left a small mark.
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The scar is nothing to do with the needle. It’s an “intradermal” injection, so it is given between layers of the skin. It’s phenomenally difficult to do, especially on a wriggly baby! The scar is down to the reaction caused by the vaccine. So the scar is to do with the individual reaction, or because it was given either too deeply and under the skin rather than between the layers or not deep enough and it oozed out. i have no scar at all. It’s a pita as every time I change jobs it comes up as a problem.
 
Tigermoth said:
The scar is nothing to do with the needle. It’s an “intradermal” injection, so it is given between layers of the skin. It’s phenomenally difficult to do, especially on a wriggly baby! The scar is down to the reaction caused by the vaccine. So the scar is to do with the individual reaction, or because it was given either too deeply and under the skin rather than between the layers or not deep enough and it oozed out. i have no scar at all. It’s a pita as every time I change jobs it comes up as a problem.
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My understanding of it was that years ago when my grandmother's were children/young adults the vaccine was administered in a different way with a very large multi pronged (for want of a better word!) needle. They would both be 120 plus now if they were alive.
 
I've had the BCG (I'm 33 this December, so 20ish years ago) along with MMR, polio, and whatever other ones they gave us in school. Never had any since apart from the flu jab, though. I'd have taken an injection over those damn polio drops any day.
 
piggieminder said:
My understanding of it was that years ago when my grandmother's were children/young adults the vaccine was administered in a different way with a very large multi pronged (for want of a better word!) needle. They would both be 120 plus now if they were alive.
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That sounds more like the antibody test, was called the “6 needles” when I was a kid! Now it’s the less scary sounding “mantoux test” with one needle.
 
My favourite argument to anti vaxxers- yes vaccines contain substances which contain the words 'mercury' but it isn't actually Mercury. Just as your fish and chips don't explode or gas you to death when you sprinkle Sodium Chloride on them.

I saw this video a while back and it was very interesting. What I got from it is that anti vaxxer are well intentioned people doing the best for the ones they love. Spewing facts and figures in an argument doesn't always change a person's mind. If i want to promote vaccines and their benefits, I need to do so from a place of compassion. Talking down to someone doesn't raise them up, it just drags you down.
The trouble with science based thinking is that it's evidence/fact based. This is essentially preaching to the converted. People need to decide what's more important, to pat themselves on the back for pointing out someone else's ignorance or actually make a difference and challenge anti vaxx beliefs in a positive way.

 
Tigermoth said:
That sounds more like the antibody test, was called the “6 needles” when I was a kid! Now it’s the less scary sounding “mantoux test” with one needle.
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I had the Bcg and that 6 needle test - ouch :yikes: - that was 40 years ago :yikes::yikes:. My boys were offered the test and jab 11 years ago when we lived in Lancashire, it was because my m-i-l was born in India which ticked one of the system's boxes. I remember the day because my eldest fainted! He now has a bit of a history of fainting in medical facilities...

Both my 2 have had every vaccination offered, and always will while I have a say. My eldest is "normal" or what passes for it in his case ;) ; the younger is on the spectrum. I don't believe it had anything to do with the MMR, we are both older parents, and my OH was diagnosed with Asperger's a couple of years ago (he also thinks I may be on the spectrum but I don't think it's worth trying to get a formal diagnosis either way). So I think autism is down to Genes, not caused by a vaccine or anything else.
 
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