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Bladder Stone Post-Op 4 days in. Very Concerned.

Sleep well!

Brace for exhaustion to hit you like a bag of wet sand in a few days once you start relaxing and the adrenaline is finally running out. That is the time when your body is handing you the bill for keeping you going through all the stress. At least you know that it was really worth it!
 
Just to let you know, Rufus had his checkup this evening and they are very happy with his recovery. I waited until we got home before I gave him his salad so the vet could check his weight and he was 990g! He seems to be levelling out which is good.

He still has orange pee but it is slowly turning yellow so we just need to keep an eye on that. If it is still discoloured on Friday they will take a sample but all in all really good news. They have told me to stop all medication but if I think he’s in discomfort I can give him some painkiller.

They have also said we can put the boys back together on Monday. Yay!

Fingers crossed we are on the road to recovery! 😁
 
Just to let you know, Rufus had his checkup this evening and they are very happy with his recovery. I waited until we got home before I gave him his salad so the vet could check his weight and he was 990g! He seems to be levelling out which is good.

He still has orange pee but it is slowly turning yellow so we just need to keep an eye on that. If it is still discoloured on Friday they will take a sample but all in all really good news. They have told me to stop all medication but if I think he’s in discomfort I can give him some painkiller.

They have also said we can put the boys back together on Monday. Yay!

Fingers crossed we are on the road to recovery! 😁

You can put your boys back together on neutral ground anytime now that Rufus is stable; ideally you separate them as little as possible. There is currently very much a change in attitude underway as companion is hugely de-stressing and prevents medical fall-outs caused by a separation.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
Bonds In Trouble
 
PS: I hope that you have been able to get some sleep! Be kind with yourself in the coming week; you have a lot of stress and lack of sleep to catch up with.

Put the boys back together when you have several hours' time to supervise. If necessary, wipe them mutually with rag first so they share a group scent.
 
You can put your boys back together on neutral ground anytime now that Rufus is stable; ideally you separate them as little as possible. There is currently very much a change in attitude underway as companion is hugely de-stressing and prevents medical fall-outs caused by a separation.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
Bonds In Trouble
If I may ask,

Rufus was the dominant, the piggie in charge! Do I need to alter anything with that in mind? As Curtis is a big guy too and has about 400g on Rufus now and is clearly bigger.

I had to stop him from bucking under Rufus when I monitored their session the other day. Curtis is a naturally nervous boy and has to be handled with care and patience. 😊 He used to hide under Rufus, which Rufus didn’t mind at all, but with that being previous normal behaviour, I was also a little worried about Rufus’ belly.

Sorry you’ve helped so much already, it’s just I want to get it right, but most importantly what’s best for them.

Thank you.
 
PS: I hope that you have been able to get some sleep! Be kind with yourself in the coming week; you have a lot of stress and lack of sleep to catch up with.

Put the boys back together when you have several hours' time to supervise. If necessary, wipe them mutually with rag first so they share a group scent.
Yes last night I managed to go all night without getting up. It took me a while to get to sleep but I’m sure the earlier nights are to come. 😉

Will try a session at the weekend when I can give them the appropriate time. I’ll let you know how it goes.
 
If I may ask,

Rufus was the dominant, the piggie in charge! Do I need to alter anything with that in mind? As Curtis is a big guy too and has about 400g on Rufus now and is clearly bigger.

I had to stop him from bucking under Rufus when I monitored their session the other day. Curtis is a naturally nervous boy and has to be handled with care and patience. 😊 He used to hide under Rufus, which Rufus didn’t mind at all, but with that being previous normal behaviour, I was also a little worried about Rufus’ belly.

Sorry you’ve helped so much already, it’s just I want to get it right, but most importantly what’s best for them.

Thank you.

Try a shared lap session and see how that goes if you are nervous. Do one daily if they go well. Make sure that they can interact through the grids if at all possible.
The last chapter of our guide deals with companionship: Tips For Post-operative Care
 
Hello,

I just wanted to update and let you all know that Rufus seems to be through the worst of it.

He is slowly putting on weight. He's now up to about 980g from a worryingly low 902g (considering he was 1,400g-1,500g on average to begin with).

His pee has also calmed down as well. Previously it was bright orange and it took about 2-3 weeks before that disappeared. The trauma Rufus' bladder had been through needed time to rest and repair (as I was very expertly advised on here) before going back to normal and that took longer than the vets expected so don't get disheartened (as I did) if it doesn't happen as quickly as everyone expects. I have to say patience, perseverance and hope would be my mantras for this experience.

I was concerned regarding his re-introduction to his brother Curtis. Curtis did try to be a bit of a bully to begin with taking advantage of Rufus' smaller size and also him not being quite back to his normal self, but after about a week of living together again, Rufus started to assert his dominance again and just lately we have seen him nudge Curtis if he tries to steal his favourite food from him so all looking good in that department as well. Maybe Rufus will be top piggie again at some point. We'll just wait and see.

I wanted to give an update from later in the recovery in case anyone comes on here and would like some reassurance. It does take time but you will get there. But also don't be concerned if things aren't back to how they were. Rufus went through an amazingly, difficult ordeal. And although my furry little companion has recovered well, he is not quite the same piggie. He hasn't gone back to his alert, nippy, crazy self (he was a bit of a loveable loony before) but he seems more calm and collected now. He also hasn't quite forgiven me for all those force feeds and has taken a shine to my partner as a result. That is fine by me as long as he is happy and I'm sure, with time, he will want to have cuddles with me on the sofa again (I also did all of the vets trips due to my partner actually being allergic to guinea pigs so that probably didn't help my case either 😜).

We have made alterations to their diets to reduce the calcium intake. Luckily we were on 100% Timothy Hay before and the nuggets we had were the lowest I could find anywhere after researching anyway so that helped. It is mainly the water and veggies that we have adjusted. Got a brilliant little water filter from Argos as we are in a very hard water area with presence of chalk and have cut out all high calcium veg like Kale. The forums on here for diets are great so please use them.

And last but definitely not least, the reassurance, support, knowledge and just the kind words on here made everything a little easier to cope. I was at my wits end when I joined this forum (as it may be clear by my early posts) and the help I received was fantastic. Don't be afraid to ask questions. If people can help, they will. If not they will point you in the direction of someone, or a website that can.

Don't give up. The whole journey will be exhausting and challenging both physically, mentally and emotionally but it will all be worth while in the end. My journey still isn't quite over as he is still in the later stages of recovery but I am sleeping (no more night feeds), he is happy and getting healthier and I couldn't ask for more than that.

To anyone's Guinea pig that has to unfortunately go through this, or any major operation, I feel for you and wish you all the best. And if you need to, don;t forget to ask for help. I've always been told there are no silly questions, just silly answers. 😘

xXxXx
 
Hello,

I just wanted to update and let you all know that Rufus seems to be through the worst of it.

He is slowly putting on weight. He's now up to about 980g from a worryingly low 902g (considering he was 1,400g-1,500g on average to begin with).

His pee has also calmed down as well. Previously it was bright orange and it took about 2-3 weeks before that disappeared. The trauma Rufus' bladder had been through needed time to rest and repair (as I was very expertly advised on here) before going back to normal and that took longer than the vets expected so don't get disheartened (as I did) if it doesn't happen as quickly as everyone expects. I have to say patience, perseverance and hope would be my mantras for this experience.

I was concerned regarding his re-introduction to his brother Curtis. Curtis did try to be a bit of a bully to begin with taking advantage of Rufus' smaller size and also him not being quite back to his normal self, but after about a week of living together again, Rufus started to assert his dominance again and just lately we have seen him nudge Curtis if he tries to steal his favourite food from him so all looking good in that department as well. Maybe Rufus will be top piggie again at some point. We'll just wait and see.

I wanted to give an update from later in the recovery in case anyone comes on here and would like some reassurance. It does take time but you will get there. But also don't be concerned if things aren't back to how they were. Rufus went through an amazingly, difficult ordeal. And although my furry little companion has recovered well, he is not quite the same piggie. He hasn't gone back to his alert, nippy, crazy self (he was a bit of a loveable loony before) but he seems more calm and collected now. He also hasn't quite forgiven me for all those force feeds and has taken a shine to my partner as a result. That is fine by me as long as he is happy and I'm sure, with time, he will want to have cuddles with me on the sofa again (I also did all of the vets trips due to my partner actually being allergic to guinea pigs so that probably didn't help my case either 😜).

We have made alterations to their diets to reduce the calcium intake. Luckily we were on 100% Timothy Hay before and the nuggets we had were the lowest I could find anywhere after researching anyway so that helped. It is mainly the water and veggies that we have adjusted. Got a brilliant little water filter from Argos as we are in a very hard water area with presence of chalk and have cut out all high calcium veg like Kale. The forums on here for diets are great so please use them.

And last but definitely not least, the reassurance, support, knowledge and just the kind words on here made everything a little easier to cope. I was at my wits end when I joined this forum (as it may be clear by my early posts) and the help I received was fantastic. Don't be afraid to ask questions. If people can help, they will. If not they will point you in the direction of someone, or a website that can.

Don't give up. The whole journey will be exhausting and challenging both physically, mentally and emotionally but it will all be worth while in the end. My journey still isn't quite over as he is still in the later stages of recovery but I am sleeping (no more night feeds), he is happy and getting healthier and I couldn't ask for more than that.

To anyone's Guinea pig that has to unfortunately go through this, or any major operation, I feel for you and wish you all the best. And if you need to, don;t forget to ask for help. I've always been told there are no silly questions, just silly answers. 😘

xXxXx

Thank you!

Wishing you a good continuing recovery.

PS: the current recommendation for pellets is 1 tablespoon per piggy per day as there is a growing realisation that overfeeding on pellets is impacting on the amount of hay piggies eat; and that in turn is impacting on long term health and longevity.
Here are our diet recommendations, which include adaptions for a bladder/urinary tract problems piggies: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
 
What great news. So pleased to hear things are back on an even plane again.
And thank you for the feedback.
The forum is a very supportive community but so often people join in a crisis and then don’t hang around to let us know how things have worked out. It’s always so good to hear what has worked or not worked, what’s been tried and how long things have taken. You’re right, that other owners do need to know that not everything is an instant fix and as all piggies are different it’s good to get a guide as to how other people’s piggies have fared.
Hope to see more of Rufus and Curtis x
 
Thank you!

Wishing you a good continuing recovery.

PS: the current recommendation for pellets is 1 tablespoon per piggy per day as there is a growing realisation that overfeeding on pellets is impacting on the amount of hay piggies eat; and that in turn is impacting on long term health and longevity.
Here are our diet recommendations, which include adaptions for a bladder/urinary tract problems piggies: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
Hi @Wiebke

Yes I should've sated that. Sorry. My piggies only get a handful of nuggets between them a day as per your previous recommendations (my hands aren't massive either so they get less than the two tablespoons between them) and also from the pages including the one you have listed. They don't always eat them all in one day so I only top up as and when they run out. I make sure there is lots of fresh hay each day for them and Rufus seems to have taken up his throne on the hay mound. He's always chewing away so I know his main diet is mostly hay now. Yay! Better than him hiding away when he was ill, Never saw him now he's out all the time. Just the way I like it.

Veggies are split to two feedings during the day. Usually one before I go to work and one when after work when we have our dinner.

Hopefully we can reduce the likelihood of this happening to him again so soon but we do understand that once they start getting them, they will most probably come back. All we can do is try our best. 🤞😊
 
Hi @Wiebke

Yes I should've sated that. Sorry. My piggies only get a handful of nuggets between them a day as per your previous recommendations (my hands aren't massive either so they get less than the two tablespoons between them) and also from the pages including the one you have listed. They don't always eat them all in one day so I only top up as and when they run out. I make sure there is lots of fresh hay each day for them and Rufus seems to have taken up his throne on the hay mound. He's always chewing away so I know his main diet is mostly hay now. Yay! Better than him hiding away when he was ill, Never saw him now he's out all the time. Just the way I like it.

Veggies are split to two feedings during the day. Usually one before I go to work and one when after work when we have our dinner.

Hopefully we can reduce the likelihood of this happening to him again so soon but we do understand that once they start getting them, they will most probably come back. All we can do is try our best. 🤞😊

Calcium absorption is a complex process. Depending on what has caused the stones and if it is not down to just the wrong diet, then it can in some cases take some time for things to balance out and come under control unfortunately. I sincerely hope that that is not the case for you!

PS: As you clearly want to invite other people to read your experiences, I thought it prudent to add our standard forum advice and resources for th benefit of those potential readers doing their research. ;)
 
What great news. So pleased to hear things are back on an even plane again.
And thank you for the feedback.
The forum is a very supportive community but so often people join in a crisis and then don’t hang around to let us know how things have worked out. It’s always so good to hear what has worked or not worked, what’s been tried and how long things have taken. You’re right, that other owners do need to know that not everything is an instant fix and as all piggies are different it’s good to get a guide as to how other people’s piggies have fared.
Hope to see more of Rufus and Curtis x
Thank you.

Yes I found a lot of information about the immediate aftermath but not a lot on later on in the recovery. The ones I did find about 3-6 weeks down the line were not promising so as we seem to be having a relatively slow but good recovery, I felt it was worth sharing for others as I know my heart dropped a few times when reading other stories.

Bank Holiday weekend coming up so can spend more time with my furry beasties!

Here are some newer photos.
 

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Calcium absorption is a complex process. Depending on what has caused the stones and if it is not down to just the wrong diet, then it can in some cases take some time for things to balance out and come under control unfortunately. I sincerely hope that that is not the case for you!

PS: As you clearly want to invite other people to read your experiences, I thought it prudent to add our standard forum advice and resources. ;)
As always @Wiebke i have to say personally you have been amazing on here for me. Straight to the point, no messing about. Just what I needed.

I just want my experience to help others if it can. If it does then brilliant.

Here’s Rufus saying thanks in the best way he knows how......... EATING! 😋
 

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As always @Wiebke i have to say personally you have been amazing on here for me. Straight to the point, no messing about. Just what I needed.

I just want my experience to help others if it can. If it does then brilliant.

Here’s Rufus saying thanks in the best way he knows how......... EATING! 😋

Seeing your piggy tugging in is what you want to see post-op. It means that he has the will to heal and live on, and is well enough in himself to do so. :tu:

And thank you! I try to be supportive at all times, but when you haven't got the grace to hang around and dither in a serious situation, then it is important that I drive home the urgency for the sake of your piggy's survival chances. ;)
 
As always @Wiebke i have to say personally you have been amazing on here for me. Straight to the point, no messing about. Just what I needed.

I just want my experience to help others if it can. If it does then brilliant.

Here’s Rufus saying thanks in the best way he knows how......... EATING! 😋
So glad that Rufus is doing better now.
Still keeping you in my.
Rufus is gorgeous - he’s a double for my Priscilla who says that piggies as gorgeous as they are just have to pull through
 

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So glad that Rufus is doing better now.
Still keeping you in my.
Rufus is gorgeous - he’s a double for my Priscilla who says that piggies as gorgeous as they are just have to pull through
Absolutely gorgeous! 🥰
 
PS: We live by the motto 'There are no silly questions, just silly answers' on this forum and are doing our best to create an atmosphere where any questions can be asked, concerns be aired and where they will be answered and responded to in a friendly, factual and supportive way not just by us mods but by our whole community.
There are sadly too many online places that don't provide that because iIt takes a lot more work to keep a friendly place friendly over any length of time than you would expect! We rely on our members to believe in our forum ethos and to make it work every single day. ;)
Well now I know about you, I will try and help and if I can’t I’ll be supportive like you’ve all done for me. 😊
 
Hello everyone.

It is with a sad and very heavy heart that I am letting you know, our furry bubbas Rufus & Curtis sadly both passed away this week.

Rufus was never the same after his surgery sadly and with his lung problems it seems that he just got old before his time. Curtis we think was hiding the fact that he was ill because of Rufus and we only became aware once Rufus passed that there was something wrong with Curtis. We thought he just stopped eating and drinking due to depression, but it looks like there was something more sinister which we didn't catch in time. The depression from losing Rufus accelerated his passing before we had a chance to investigate.

Unfortunately my partner is allergic to guinea pigs, so these were our first and unfortunately our last.

Thank you all for your support through a very difficult time. I feel at least we gave Rufus another 6 months after his surgery and Curtis was only alone for a few days after Rufus so they are now both together.

Thank you all again.

Rufus aka Rufey Doofey - 10/03/2015 to 31/10/2019
Curtis aka Mr Curtis E. Pitts - 10/03/2015 to 6/11/2019


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So very sorry to hear this news.
Feel free to post a tribute to the boys on the Rainbow Bridge thread.
Look after yourself and allow yourself time to grieve.
Holding you in my heart
 
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