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Bladder stones op

Jadep

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Hey,
My piggie has just been diagnosed with bladder stones:( I’ve booked him in to have them removed next Thursday, but I’m sooo worried about the op. I know guinea pigs don’t do well under GA, and I’ve read so many horror stories (worst thing to do I know). Aside from the stones he is very healthy, eating normally, good weight and still very young, he turns 3 next month. Am I making the right decision? Has anyone else had experience with stones? D52B0CAD-69C1-4CB8-8026-9CD8F0AD40A4.webp
 
I don’t have personal experience of stones - there are many on here who have though so somebody will come along.

If you have confidence in your vet and their experience, then that is the best way to ensure the safest outcome for the operation. The horror stories will stick in your mind, but I can tell you that many members on here have had their piggies under GA and all has been well, so try to focus on that.

Best wishes to you and your piggy for the operation, let us know how things go.
 
I don’t have personal experience of stones - there are many on here who have though so somebody will come along.

If you have confidence in your vet and their experience, then that is the best way to ensure the safest outcome for the operation. The horror stories will stick in your mind, but I can tell you that many members on here have had their piggies under GA and all has been well, so try to focus on that.

Best wishes to you and your piggy for the operation, let us know how things go.

Thank you! I will let you know how it goes:)
 
I haven’t had any experience with stones but plenty of people on here have. I have however had piggies go under GA and they have all come bouncing through it.

All the best for your piggies surgery. He is only young so should hopefully be ok x
 
Hey,
My piggie has just been diagnosed with bladder stones:( I’ve booked him in to have them removed next Thursday, but I’m sooo worried about the op. I know guinea pigs don’t do well under GA, and I’ve read so many horror stories (worst thing to do I know). Aside from the stones he is very healthy, eating normally, good weight and still very young, he turns 3 next month. Am I making the right decision? Has anyone else had experience with stones? View attachment 139952

Hi!

Please be aware that when you do any online research that will come typically across two types of posts - all the horror stories and the miracle cures. What nobody considers worth posting about is the vast majority of perfectly successful operations or recoveries, as they get taken for granted. If you have a tendency for anxiety, I would strongly recommend to stay away from these places as they give you a very distorted image of reality.

Operations of stones in the bladder is generally a pretty straight forward operation with a high rate of a problem-free straight forward recovery; even a repeated surgery is generally not a problem.
Where it gets complicated, especially for boars is if a stone fetches up in the urethra (the tube that connects the bladder with the anus). While in sows that is usually just before the exit, boars have a longer urethra with an awkward inglenook where most passed stones get stuck. Getting them out of there is much more difficult and fraught.
However, we have seen a fair number of successful recoveries even from urethral stone operations so they are by no means the end of the road.

Here are our post-op care and our crisis care tips. They do not make the most cheerful reading because there is of course more advice for when things don't go to plan than when things do, but they will hopefully make a very helpful resource for you during post-op recovery. Please bookmark them.
Tips For Post-operative Care
Emergency, Crisis and Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment (this only for when things go really haywire!)
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

What I would recommend is that you:
- Please read our diet advice for guinea pigs with bladder stones (in the chapter for special needs diets). More calcium comes generally from water and pellets than high calcium veg; something that many people are not aware of.
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
- Get hold of a glucosamine-based cat bladder supplement like cystease capsules; they are classed as a food supplement and not as medication. All walls of the urinary tract are coated with glucosamine to prevent the corrosive urine from damaging any raw flesh. A bladder stone will of course damage this layer and cause pain. The glucosamine will help with the healing and recovery of this lining and will help with overall comfort.
You mix the contents with 1 capsule with 2 ml of water, shake well and syrine either half every 12 hours or all once in 24 hours. Use a small medicine bottle for the mixing and storing of the solution (your vet will have them).

I hope that that helps you?
PS: So far, I've had about 4-5 bladder stone piggies (one needing two ops) and have never lost any due to an operation. I have however not had another bladder stone piggy for 7 years after starting to filter water and reducing the amount of pellets massively.

All the best!
 
I haven’t had any experience with stones but plenty of people on here have. I have however had piggies go under GA and they have all come bouncing through it.

All the best for your piggies surgery. He is only young so should hopefully be ok x
Thank you 💖
 
Hi!

Please be aware that when you do any online research that will come typically across two types of posts - all the horror stories and the miracle cures. What nobody considers worth posting about is the vast majority of perfectly successful operations, as they get taken for granted. If you have a tendency for anxiety, I would strongly recommend to stay away from these places as they give you a very distorted image of reality.

Operations of stones in the bladder is generally a pretty straight forward operation with a high rate of a problem-free straight forward recovery; even a repeated surgery is generally not a problem.
Where it gets complicated, especially for boars is if a stone fetches up in the urethra (the tube that connects the bladder with the anus). While in sows that is usually just before the exit, boars have a longer urethra with an awkward inglenook where most passed stones get stuck. Getting them out of there is much more difficult and fraught.
However, we have seen a fair number of successful recoveries even from urethral stone operations so they are by no means the end of the road.

Here are our post-op care and our crisis care tips. They do not make the most cheerful reading because there is of course more advice for when things don't go to plan than when things do, but they will hopefully make a very helpful resource for you during post-op recovery. Please bookmark them.
Tips For Post-operative Care
Emergency, Crisis and Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment (this only for when things go really haywire!)
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

What I would recommend is that you:
- Please read our diet advice for guinea pigs with bladder stones (in the chapter for special needs diets). More calcium comes generally from water and pellets than high calcium veg; something that many people are not aware of.
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
- Get hold of a glucosamine-based cat bladder supplement like cystease capsules; they are classed as a food supplement and not as medication. All walls of the urinary tract are coated with glucosamine to prevent the corrosive urine from damaging any raw flesh. A bladder stone will of course damage this layer and cause pain. The glucosamine will help with the healing and recovery of this lining and will help with overall comfort.
You mix the contents with 1 capsule with 2 ml of water, shake well and syrine either half every 12 hours or all once in 24 hours. Use a small medicine bottle for the mixing and storing of the solution (your vet will have them).

I hope that that helps you?
PS: So far, I've had about 4-5 bladder stone piggies (one needing two ops) and have never lost any due to an operation. I have however not had another bladder stone piggy for 7 years after starting to filter water and reducing the amount of pellets massively.
Thank you so much for all of this! It has definitely put my mind at ease! His stone is in his bladder not the urethra so hopefully that’ll make the surgery more straight toward.
Yes I’ll definitely change bits in his diet. I have started filtering his water this week as we live in a hard water area. He is on Science Selective Grain Free nuggets which are the lowest calcium pellets I can find, but we only feed a small amount any way, so may just cut down a little bit more. Defiantly going to have a look at the glucosamine capsules and discuss those with my vet, as I’ll do whatever I can to make him more comfortable! Thank you again so much!💜
 
My boy went through a stone removal op last June/July at 4 and a half years old, whilst I was very worried about him I had confidence in my vet and knew that whatever the outcome, we had done everything possible to give him a great chance of getting through it. He was a bit groggy for the 24 hours afterwards but with a little encouragement he was pretty much back to normal the next afternoon. Afterwards I too changed to selective grain free nuggets and a low calcium veg diet and he also gets cystease for cats. Nearly a year later he's still his happy boisterous usual self. Good luck for the surgery, I hope all goes well.
 
Thank you! I’m glad your piggie is all better now and hasn’t had anymore problems! Hopefully it’ll be the same for us!
 
Thank you so much for all of this! It has definitely put my mind at ease! His stone is in his bladder not the urethra so hopefully that’ll make the surgery more straight toward.
Yes I’ll definitely change bits in his diet. I have started filtering his water this week as we live in a hard water area. He is on Science Selective Grain Free nuggets which are the lowest calcium pellets I can find, but we only feed a small amount any way, so may just cut down a little bit more. Defiantly going to have a look at the glucosamine capsules and discuss those with my vet, as I’ll do whatever I can to make him more comfortable! Thank you again so much!💜

I would recommend to feed 1 tablespoon or less of pellets a day. Please read the diet guide. It looks at the diet as a whole; you may find it very helpful!
You may also find the post-op care guide useful so you can prepare in case things are not going quite to plan. It is always useful to hope for the best but be ready for the worst and have everything at home to step in. The emergency and crisis care link has tips on how you can improvise in a pinch plus a first aid kit of support products.

Please be aware that any dietary changes take several weeks to come through; it is not a quick fix because calcium absorption is a complex process and there are often several contributing factors in play. But diet is the biggest and most important long term change you can make.

But I hope that things are going well for you! The sheer relief from the pain from the stone usually makes a pretty instant impact as soon as your boy is over the operation hangover. ;)
 
My boy went through a stone removal op last June/July at 4 and a half years old, whilst I was very worried about him I had confidence in my vet and knew that whatever the outcome, we had done everything possible to give him a great chance of getting through it. He was a bit groggy for the 24 hours afterwards but with a little encouragement he was pretty much back to normal the next afternoon. Afterwards I too changed to selective grain free nuggets and a low calcium veg diet and he also gets cystease for cats. Nearly a year later he's still his happy boisterous usual self. Good luck for the surgery, I hope all goes well.
Thank you! I’m glad your piggie is all better now and hasn’t had anymore problems! Hopefully it’ll be the same for us!
 
Thank you! I’m glad your piggie is all better now and hasn’t had anymore problems! Hopefully it’ll be the same for us!

None of my current 26 piggies have ever had any stone problems - touch wood! And that despite living in one of trickier areas of the country.
 
I would recommend to feed 1 tablespoon or less of pellets a day. Please read the diet guide. It looks at the diet as a whole; you may find it very helpful!
You may also find the post-op care guide useful so you can prepare in case things are not going quite to plan. It is always useful to hope for the best but be ready for the worst and have everything at home to step in. The emergency and crisis care link has tips on how you can improvise in a pinch plus a first aid kit of support products.

Please be aware that any dietary changes take several weeks to come through; it is not a quick fix because calcium absorption is a complex process and there are often several contributing factors in play. But diet is the biggest and most important long term change you can make.

But I hope that things are going well for you! The sheer relief from the pain from the stone usually makes a pretty instant impact as soon as your boy is over the operation hangover. ;)

thank you! After his surgery, would you recommend having him in a separate cage from his brother during the night? I obviously don’t want his brother to accidentally injure his wound from surgery but I also don’t want to stress them both out by separating them.
 
thank you! After his surgery, would you recommend having him in a separate cage from his brother during the night? I obviously don’t want his brother to accidentally injure his wound from surgery but I also don’t want to stress them both out by separating them.

I always keep my piggies together as much as possible. Not every vet will allow it but mine does, so the companion generally comes with them to the clinic. It is a myth that they are injuring companions.
You can find more information on that score in the post-op care link, which has a whole chapter on companionship aspects and how to handle it depending on the scenario; including advice for the first night. It very much depends on well your boy is coming round.

Here is the link again. it is well worth having a look at! https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/tips-for-post-operative-
care.134522/
 
So I have just got back from the vets with Eddie. Unfortunately they could not go ahead with the surgery as once he was put under the anaesthetic, his breathing turned very crackly and sounded like there was a lot of fluid around his lungs, even though the vet had checked all of his lungs before putting him under, and they were absolutely fine.They felt that the best decision was to bring him back around as she was worried that if she started the surgery, he would not be able to get any oxygen to the lungs and we would lose him. She thinks that it could have possible been the gases used while putting him under as he was fine before hand during all of the checks. I’m obviously upset that the surgery could not go ahead as he still has the stones and will still be in pain, but I am glad that they made the decision to stop. He is back home with Ernie now, a little groggy, but eating and drinking so is doing well. He is on metacam just to help with the pain for now, and the vet has advised to just keep an eye on him for the next couple weeks and then think about trying again. Has anybody else had any experiences like this while piggies have been under anaesthetic?
 
It sounds like it was an injectable anaesthetic, rather than isoflurane gas.
She also said that he started to get Subcutaneous emphysema. Would that be more likely to happy from an injection instead of insoflurabe gas do you know?
 
She also said that he started to get Subcutaneous emphysema. Would that be more likely to happy from an injection instead of insoflurabe gas do you know?

Yes - subcutaneous emphysema means when gas travels under the skin.
 
Ah I see, do you think it’s be likely to happen again next time? This is just another thing to worry about now:(
 
Ah I see, do you think it’s be likely to happen again next time? This is just another thing to worry about now:(

Not necessarily, but it was an added complication.

Please ask whether the vet can use another GA drug (isoflurane is generally better tolerated if they have it) or give it in another way.
 
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