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Bladder Stones/sludge

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hi all need some help regarding bladder stones/sludge, my 6 year old sow Olga has had 3 bladder stones removed over the past few years and I am now dealing with sludge, does anyone know where I can buy Eurologist tablets? The only site on the internet is a German website :( she is on the IC diet which I found on here, just wanted to give the eurologist tablets a try after reading an article in the latest guinea pig magazine xx
 
I am very sorry for your repeated issues. Sadly, Eurologist and similar tablets have been found to not live up to the promise over the last few years, so they are no longer much used. :(

These days, we are generally recommending to try and control stones via a balanced low calcium diet; this seems to work in the majority of cases. If you are one of the unlucky few ones (like my Cariad was) whose calcium absorption is somehow going wrong, then there is only so much you can do even though a diet can slow down the process.

This is what we have found works best to the current stand of knowledge and experience:
- filter your water with a bladder stone piggy even if you live in a soft water area; the minerals in the water can still contribute towards the build-up of sludge and stones
- many bladder piggies are naturally bad drinkers. Try to syringe them as much filtered water as they will take in one go once or twice daily, ideally up to 10-15ml (but it may not be possible with all piggies, so go just for as much as you can, as even that will help) in order to flush the bladder regularly and minimise a build-up of sludge. Do not syringe more than 0.5 ml (i.e. one mouthful) in one go and wait until it has been swallowed before syringing more to prevent things going down the wrong way.

- Stick to our recommended limited but balanced IC veg diet and see whether that works for you:
1 slice of bell or sweet pepper/capsicum of any colour; 1 slice of cucumber; 1-2 chunks of celery; 1 French bean; 1 sprig of coriander/cilantro; 1 one inch strip of spring greens

- feed low calcium pellets, such as bunny pellets (5 nuggets per piggy per day) or vitakraft (@helen105281 can advise you best on that score)
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- protect the bladder walls with a glucosamine based product, either cystease or similar brands or vegetarian glucosamine. some people also swear on barley water, i.e. the strained gloopy water in which you have cooked pearl barley.
 
Sending lots of healing vibes. It's always a worry when something is wrong x
 
Thanks for the replies such a shame that eurologist tablets don't work that well :(

She is currently having unlimited Timothy hay and normal hay and also a few vitakraft pellets and the veg that makes up the IC diet, she also has filtered water in her bottle and I syringe her 15ml of water 3 times a day

She has vetbed in her cage which is changed every 2 days and she has 20 mins a day on a massage pad ( advice from vedra at CCT) She is also on metacam at 2kg dose daily and I have a bottle of Septrin on standby incase of any infections

I haven't heard her squeak whilst passing urine for a while so fingers crossed everything I'm doing is helping her to flush out the sludge in her bladder

Tanya xx
 
image.webp This is Olga, taken this morning she will be 7 next month, although she acts like a young piggie a lot of the time
 
Thanks for the replies such a shame that eurologist tablets don't work that well :(

She is currently having unlimited Timothy hay and normal hay and also a few vitakraft pellets and the veg that makes up the IC diet, she also has filtered water in her bottle and I syringe her 15ml of water 3 times a day

She has vetbed in her cage which is changed every 2 days and she has 20 mins a day on a massage pad ( advice from vedra at CCT) She is also on metacam at 2kg dose daily and I have a bottle of Septrin on standby incase of any infections

I haven't heard her squeak whilst passing urine for a while so fingers crossed everything I'm doing is helping her to flush out the sludge in her bladder

Tanya xx

You are pretty much doing all you can! Wishing you all the best!

What a grand old lady! I can understand your concerns.

If she is in good general health (which my Cariad wasn't in her last months, being too low in weight and too frail for further treatment), you could consider having her checked and if possible/necessary having her bladder gently flushed by the Cat&Rabbit Care Clinic in Northampton, which is easily to be reached by car or train from your location.
It is the only place I would recommend to have a bladder flush on an older piggy done, as it can easily kill if done too vigorously, but this has prolonged Cariad's life for nearly two years she would otherwise not likely have had. The procedure, if done regularly is still going to shorten her lifespan a bit, but when when weighing up overall comfort and any alternatives, it was an easy decision for me. @Pigmad
 
Thanks Wiebke will speak to my vet about cystease she's pretty good at listening to my suggestions anything is worth a try
 
Will have a look at that clinic, would be worth the trip if it can make her feel more comfortable thanks Wiebke x
 
My bladder piggy Petal is on a low dose of Metacam daily & has monthly Cartrophen injections instead of Cystease & also we have her on a small dose of Potassium Citrate which works by gathering the sludge so they expel it. However these are things you must discuss with your vet as your piggy has already had stones. We add in Cerenia if she has a flare up. Blood in the urine is not always indicative of an infection & we check her urine for blood & proteins (we allow for a teeny amount of blood as long as it clears up after a couple of days) Syringing extra water daily is crucial; at the moment we add probiotic Avi-Pro to a bowl of water & syringe that every day x
 
I am sorry to hear about your piggy - I am going through / will go through the same - Bumble had an x-ray in April as I suspected a kidney or bladder stone - but he was all clear - now he has just had two big stones removed - so today I have bought a water filter and willl print off this thread and show it to my vets and see what they think / what they can give me to help him - wishing you luck.
 
Olga is beautiful reminds me of my truffle. Hope she's a little better xx
 
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