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Blood In Urine And Ill Piggie

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Aww okay. Is she okay now?
Thank you so much for your help @Claire W. You have been really informative and supportive. Thanks xxxxx
 
Thank you but there's no need as that's what we're here for. Unfortunately I had to make the heartbreaking decision to have Erin pts but she had another illness on top of her bladder problems so it's irrelevant.

I do however have a boar who had a really bad uti just before Christmas and thankfully *touch wood* after a long course of septrin, he's doing fine now x
 
Aww I'm so sorry about Erin.
It's great that he's doing better now. :)
I'll keep you updated on Monday or tomorrow if there is any news x
 
Claire W said:
Thank you. Erin was only 3 years old but I couldn't let her suffer.

I hope that Chico has a comfortable night x
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Aww. Yeah, I'd hate it if Chico was in excruciating pain. You did a good thing :hug:.
Thank you me too. x
 
Is it normal for him to have a lot of poos? After I had fed him the pellet paste he had a lot if poos in about 30 mins. No urine. He has lost more weight and is now 950g. He was 970g last night. @Wiebke @Claire W . At least since he's having poops I know his gut and everything is working okay. X
 
I agree with Claire - a lot of poops is a good sign. Keep offering him water if he is not drinking on his own, but you may not necessarily catch him peeing. Not every pee is necessarily bloody, either.
 
@Claire W . Oh really? Never knew that!
@Wiebke yeah we noticed that yesterday as when he peed it wasn't bloody compared to the ones from earlier int he day.
Thank you both x
 
Hi, thank you! The vet told us that he is pretty sure that it is cystitis as he did some urine tests and felt his bladder and there was no sign of stones. He asked if I wanted an x ray but he said he couldn't do it today. He sent me home with a syringe to do a home experiment on his urine to see if there is a calcium build up before I splash out money on an x ray that may be unneeded. He said that he had a lot of protein in his wee which is a sign of cystitis.
For medication, he gave us a mixture of baytril, loxicam (if that's even a medication as i can't remember) and something else. I have to feed him that twice a day with 0.3ml. He is a lovely vet I must say, with lovely prices too. He didn't give the recovery mix as he said my pellet mix was good enough but I should add a drop of unsweetened cranberry or blackcurrant juice to it. Other than that he seemed to think Chico would be okay which is good. Thank you all so much for your help and advice - wonderful forum xxxxx
 
hi , when you say a home experiment ,, do you meen a urinalersis ?
if so you can buy the test kits on the web ,

l test my high risk pigs every 2 weeks , it o
costs around 20p per test maby cheeper .

you are best with a 9 or 10 test stick (10 individual tests that can indicat a pigs health )

MB ,, theses test sticks are only ment to give an indication , and should not replace a vet :btt:

its good that there are no sign of stones
 
Perfectpets11 said:
Hi, thank you! The vet told us that he is pretty sure that it is cystitis as he did some urine tests and felt his bladder and there was no sign of stones. He asked if I wanted an x ray but he said he couldn't do it today. He sent me home with a syringe to do a home experiment on his urine to see if there is a calcium build up before I splash out money on an x ray that may be unneeded. He said that he had a lot of protein in his wee which is a sign of cystitis.
For medication, he gave us a mixture of baytril, loxicam (if that's even a medication as i can't remember) and something else. I have to feed him that twice a day with 0.3ml. He is a lovely vet I must say, with lovely prices too. He didn't give the recovery mix as he said my pellet mix was good enough but I should add a drop of unsweetened cranberry or blackcurrant juice to it. Other than that he seemed to think Chico would be okay which is good. Thank you all so much for your help and advice - wonderful forum xxxxx
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Loxicom is the same as metacam, which is a painkiller-cum-anti-inflammatory, so your vet is covering both bases for UTI and cystitis, which may not react much to antibiotics. It sounds like your vet is pretty clued up up. if you find that the baytril mix is not going well, you can mix it with a bit of the fruit juice to cover the horrible taste.

If the bladder walls are soft and not thinkened, then there is no indication for a stone or a longer term irritation, so an x-ray is only needed if the healing process is not going well or if you keep having recurring issues.

I would strongly recommend to make sure that you also syringe water once or twice every day, as much as he will take in one session. Ideally would be 10-15 ml, but not all piggies will do it. One mouthful is about 0.5 ml for an adult piggy, and you need to make sure that all has been swallowed before you give the next bit to prevent things going down the wrong way. this helps to flush out the bladder. Many bladder problem piggies are naturally bad drinkers, which enables bacteria and minerals/calcium to build up in the bladder.

Best of luck!

PS: You may look at the veg that we have listed under "daily veg" in our diet thread; in combination with a reduced or low calcium pellet intake and filtered water, we recommend it for guinea pigs with ongoing bladder issues. It is low calcium, but balanced to work long term. Recommendations For A Balanced General Guinea Pig Diet
 
Thank you both @Claire W and @Wiebke. your advice has been fantastic! I will try and give him more water. At one time I normally give him maybe about 8ml of water and a good amount of the paste. Should this now clear up within a few weeks? x
 
gizzy said:
hi , when you say a home experiment ,, do you meen a urinalersis ?
if so you can buy the test kits on the web ,

l test my high risk pigs every 2 weeks , it o
costs around 20p per test maby cheeper .

you are best with a 9 or 10 test stick (10 individual tests that can indicat a pigs health )

MB ,, theses test sticks are only ment to give an indication , and should not replace a vet :btt:

its good that there are no sign of stones
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No no, he did that test when we were there and he said he had high protein in his urine. The home test he told me to do was take some urine in a syringe and leave it overnight. Then in the morning in supposed to check it. He said that if there is a white sediment on the surface then he would be taking x rays to double check for stones but if not he should be okay. x
 
Perfectpets11 said:
Thank you both @Claire W and @Wiebke. your advice has been fantastic! I will try and give him more water. At one time I normally give him maybe about 8ml of water and a good amount of the paste. Should this now clear up within a few weeks? x
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If it's a uti then yes, it should hopefully clear up after a few weeks of meds but you'll just wait and see. If there is little or no improvement, I would ask for an x Ray.
 
I'm starting to worry about my boy again. He's loosing more and more weight each day. He's now 886g, well he was this morning. What can I do? @Wiebke @Claire W x
 
Perfectpets11 said:
I'm starting to worry about my boy again. He's loosing more and more weight each day. He's now 886g, well he was this morning. What can I do? @Wiebke @Claire W x
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How much of a loss is that? 30g can be the difference between a full/empty tummy and bladder, unless it is a constant downward trend when weighing at the time in the feeding cycle. You may have to up the amount of syringe feed you give, either in the number of feeding sessions or in the quantity per session.

Calcium pees are not necessarily connected to the presence of stones. I have had piggies with "silent" stones without any other sign until a heavy loss of weight/appetite happened; some stones have only come to light when they caused a cystitis. :( However, cystitis itself can cause a major weight loss. But if in doubt, please ask for an x-ray, either conscious or just lightly gassed to allow the piggy to be positioned on the plate for best results if only for your own peace of mind. Generally, two different shots should be taken.

I am keeping my fingers firmly crossed!
 
Wiebke said:
How much of a loss is that? 30g can be the difference between a full/empty tummy and bladder, unless it is a constant downward trend when weighing at the time in the feeding cycle. You may have to up the amount of syringe feed you give, either in the number of feeding sessions or in the quantity per session.

Calcium pees are not necessarily connected to the presence of stones. I have had piggies with "silent" stones without any other sign until a heavy loss of weight/appetite happened; some stones have only come to light when they caused a cystitis. :( However, cystitis itself can cause a major weight loss. But if in doubt, please ask for an x-ray, either conscious or just lightly gassed to allow the piggy to be positioned on the plate for best results if only for your own peace of mind. Generally, two different shots should be taken.

I am keeping my fingers firmly crossed!
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Thank you, just last week Chico was 1035g however he is now on the 900g mark. He just keeps loosing more and more weight each day. How else can I get him to put weight on? What can I feed him? How long should the cyst it's take to clear up? @Wiebke
 
In my experience with my bladder pig he lost a huge amount of weight when stones where present. I would opt for Xray now, as you want him to be as healthy a weight as possible if he does need an operation.

I remember when I took P to the emergency vets he had lost a large amount of weight and the vet said he couldn't feel stones. The Xray however said otherwise.

I would top your boy up as it's likely he's decreased in weight as he's not eating as much due to pain.
 
flintstones said:
In my experience with my bladder pig he lost a huge amount of weight when stones where present. I would opt for Xray now, as you want him to be as healthy a weight as possible if he does need an operation.

I remember when I took P to the emergency vets he had lost a large amount of weight and the vet said he couldn't feel stones. The Xray however said otherwise.

I would top your boy up as it's likely he's decreased in weight as he's not eating as much due to pain.
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I'll see how he is in the morning but I think I'm probably going to take him for x rays..... Our bet did mention that he had done a lot of stone removals which is a good thing but my boys just so light. Thank you for your advice x
 
How much did your pig loose? Did he/she have a wet tummy or butt/back? Did they do a urinalysis? Sorry for the questions just trying to see a link if there is one x @flintstones
 
Erm Patrick lost a lot over his battle with stones. He was treated numerous times for a UTI - smelly Urine, passing blood, protein was also found. He was diagnosed with cystitis. The stone's didn't appear straight away on Xray, he was given ongoing pain relief as he cried daily. I Xrayed him reguarly as I knew there must have been something going on. When the stone was found we operated straight away and Little P was finally able to stop all medication.

My only guess is the stone was in his kidney and was to small to show up on Xray. When we finally found the stones they where in uretre. If I ever have a bladder pig again I'll make sure to keep up his regular Xray's as the stone's returned 6 months later but my little man kidneys where failing which showed on bloodwork he was an old man at 6+ so we didn't complete the 2nd stone removal.

Any pig I have with Urine problems I opt straight for Xray as the sooner the stone's are found the better in my opinion. I also like to know what I'm dealing with - there's no harm in an Xray to confirm stones aren't present.
 
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