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Breathing Funny... Yet Another Vet Visit?

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Pippy & Daisy

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Hi again, everyone. Word of warning, this is a long post!

So it seems we may be off to the vet again tomorrow. This time for both girls :(

Last weekend I noticed a really faint kind of squeaking sound coming from one of the girls - I couldn't tell which as it was only on and off and neither did it when I was checking them. Then on Saturday night Daisy was breathing very loudly - I've attached a video because it's quite hard to describe but the video is quite quiet.

I was freaking out but it was the middle of the night and I don't trust the ER vet around here at all so I really didn't want to take her there. She was eating fine and she wasn't actually struggling to breathe, it was just loud. It also wasn't constant. The next morning I called the vet and my regular vet was out; I then called my backup vet but they only had one vet in who was not at all experienced with guinea pigs so suggested it probably wasn't a good idea going to them - which I appreciated being told! So I ended up at another vet I'd never been to before. He was good, but did tell me he was not an expert (he was actually allergic to them). After listening to the video he suggested it was probably her larynx rather than her chest and sure enough when he listened on the stethoscope he could hear the noise very faintly in her larynx but not at all in her chest. He weighed her and thought that it was most likely that she's a bit too chubby and that it was fat pressing on her larynx - she was 1184g at the time but is often around 1200g (she had had an upset stomach a couple of days before so had lost a bit of weight even though she was eating). He suggested less pellets and see how she goes.

I weighed her today and she was 1206g so she's put her weight back on. Pippy was 1126g which is about normal for her - 10g heavier than last time she was weighed which was two weeks ago, but 30g lighter than the time before that, but her weight has always varied a bit more. But I've noticed Daisy breathing a bit loudly a couple of times since she was at the vet, though not as loudly as it had been. Pippy has also had a very slight occasional squeaking kind of sound when she breathes, but it's barely noticeable. Today, they're out in the playpen and Daisy was breathing pretty loudly again and Pip was making the little squeaking sound again. Pippy's sound is almost like a regular squeak but really quiet, if that makes sense. There is also a kind of clicking sound from Pip sometimes but she's actually always had that so I don't think that's anything really - I think it's a sound she makes on purpose. Daisy's is a bit more of a croak I guess.

Both are still eating, drinking, and acting normally. Neither have any nasal or eye discharge/crust/anything. Their fur is fine, they're happy and active. Poo is fine. There are absolutely no other symptoms but this occasional funny breathing. I can't take them to the vets now as they're closed and, as I said, I don't trust the emergency vets at all. But now I'm wondering if I should take them for a checkup tomorrow. It's just that Daisy was in last week (at her regular vet for her poo problem) and he said she was perfectly fine. Thankfully he very generously didn't charge for her check, but I ended up having to pay when she went to the other vet for her breathing... to again find nothing wrong. I have money set aside that's just for them so I don't have to worry about unexpected vet visits, but I can't afford to keep taking them in there to find that there's nothing wrong with them. I feel like I'm going crazy being so paranoid for no reason :soz:

Should I take them in tomorrow? I won't be able to get there until the afternoon which means it'll be almost 24 hours from now. Because they're acting fine in every other way I think that's fine, but I don't know if I should even take them in at all. It's been going on over a week (the breathing) and they're both still acting fine and eating so I don't know if it's even anything to be concerned about. I've heard so many horror stories about them going downhill overnight that I'm in such a panic as usual
 
I would take them yes, did the vet not prescribe anything to help? In the UK we have a product called Bisolvon that can help to clear the nasal passages but am not sure if that would help with the larynx. I can't actually hear anything on the video, I have tried on my phone and Chromebook. I do have issues with my ears though so could be me. What are they bedded on? have you switched hay recently at all?
 
No, he didn't prescribe anything. I feel so guilty for not going for a second opinion the next day but because they're fine in every other way I figured he must have been right :(

We have Bisolvon here, I wasn't aware they could take it! I've used it for chest congestion so I imagine it would help them with that too but I'll wait and see what the vet gives them.

I have to turn my volume up full to hear it, it's not a very good video! They're on newspaper, shredded paper, and hay. I did actually change hay only the day before this really started so I wonder if that could be it... Pip's breathing is still pretty normal, I might be imagining the squeak with her but I'll take her anyway. Daisy is sometimes grunting (which the vet has previously said is snoring or the like), sometimes croaky, sometimes a bit squeaky. She still doesn't seem to be labouring though, would it be very obvious if she was? They've both just had dinner and devoured it so still fine in every other way.
 
I would take them yes, did the vet not prescribe anything to help? In the UK we have a product called Bisolvon that can help to clear the nasal passages but am not sure if that would help with the larynx. I can't actually hear anything on the video, I have tried on my phone and Chromebook. I do have issues with my ears though so could be me. What are they bedded on? have you switched hay recently at all?
Helen it sounds like she is hooting :( I'm wondering if she could be a heart piggy :( How old is she Pippy & Daisy?
 
Helen it sounds like she is hooting :( I'm wondering if she could be a heart piggy :( How old is she Pippy & Daisy?

I was worried about this as well but wasn't really sure... If it's a heart problem, is that curable? Will she need an x-ray? I don't mind how much it costs, I just want them both to be okay :( Is hooting always a heart problem? It doesn't always sound like this but I haven't been able to record any more.

She's about 3 1/2 years as far as I know. Is it normal for her to be acting normally otherwise? I'm so worried about having to wait until tomorrow afternoon to get her seen but I have no other option. I'm absolutely worried out of my mind. Considering staying home tomorrow but I don't think that'll do much good.

Edit: It's also very intermittent. Today was the first time I really heard it since last weekend. I don't know if that's significant.
 
I'm not sure if hooting is intermittent with heart pigs, but @helen105281 will know, she is experienced with heart piggies & will advise you. It doesn't sound like a piece of hay dust or something like that to me :(
 
Thank you @Poppy'sMum yes hooting is a sign of a heart problem but it can also be caused by an allergen. Heart pigs don't hoot all the time, it tends to be intermittent, especially once on meds. Best way to diagnose would be by xray to see if the heart is enlarged or if there is any fluid around the heart. A conscious xray would be best as any pig suspected of having a heart issue should not be given a GA. Have you noticed any of the following:

Heavy sleep - difficulty to rouse
Nodding when breathing
Failure to gain weight
Bumblefoot
Blue tinge to extremities like the nose, lips, ears
Abdominal bloating
 
Thanks @helen105281. I haven't noticed any of those symptoms so I suppose that's a good sign. She seems fine today but we've got an appointment at the vets in a few hours so hopefully we'll finally have an answer! I'm hoping it is just an allergy but I really don't want to risk it any longer
 
Good luck. If it turns out to be an allergy your vet may be able to suggest or even prescribe an anti-histamine.
 
So we went to the vet today! He gave both girls a full check. He thinks Pippy's noise is most likely just her squeaking but very quietly which I'd thought it might be. So that's good. With Daisy he couldn't find anything - her chest, throat, etc all sounded clear, her stomach felt fine, etc. Nothing he could find but he does want me to keep an eye on her. He said it could be some hay stuck in her nose but he said he doesn't want to rule out a heart or lung problem either. So I just have to keep an eye on her over the next week or so and note if the noise becomes more regular or if she gets worse in any other way at which point he'll do some x-rays. He did say because she snores there is a possibility that it's nothing and that it's just another little oddity of hers but he wants to be sure there are no underlying problems before he puts it down to that.

I'm relieved he couldn't find anything which rules out a URI and he said it's unlikely to be pneumonia or something like that when she's fine in every other way and he couldn't find anything abnormal. Worried it could be something like a heart problem but I'm going to try not to stress to much about that at this stage, especially because he said the best thing to do for now is just to keep an eye on her.

I woke up not long ago and she was making a noise again but she stops when I lift her pigloo - I'm actually tempted to take that out tonight and see if it makes a difference. He did say something about if the noise only usually occurs at night - but I can't remember if he said that means it's more or less likely to be a problem! Does anyone know?
 
That's all good and I am happy the vet is willing to consider a heart issue. I find that if mine are snuffly or hooting in a pigloo it makes it much much louder. I can't see how the time of day would affect it really.
 
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