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I have never seen a animals insides falling out after birth. That possibly could happen in overbreeding but don't see animals as suffering in normal well controlled breeding. I know some humans insides bladders etc comes out after birth so that sounds to me like humans suffer just as much.
 
It does happen , and may I point out it happens relatively often, it can even happen to animals that have not bred before. It may be worth pointing out that it happens relatively often in sheep and cows, but no one seems to be that bothered about them.
 
bsjlmb said:
humans chose to give birth. breeders make their animals - whether pigs, dogs, cats etc etc the poor creatures have no choice. how would you like it if after giving birth your insides fell out of you. would you consider that as 'not suffering?'
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yes, however not really a valid argument as this can happen to humans as well...things can go wrong in pregnancy regardless of breed or species...and as for 'humans have a choice'...well animals are not built to have the same brain function as us, they can't say 'oooh I fancy kale today instead of spinach' and go off to find some...you give them the food they eat, they eat it, they don't argue with you about it. So bringing free will and choice into it really doesn't hold water with this debate.
 
Also in the wild all animals breed constantly its their way of survival by having offspring to keep the breed going. And in the wild they breed till the day they die so are you saying that nature is cruel? That's how God made it and God wouldn't let animals suffer he made them.
 
Yes, prolapsed uterus is something that can happen with pregnancy...pre or post birth. It's not that common, however it is something that can happen...as can prolapsed penis' and an anal prolapse...
 
saddlebredgirl said:
I have never seen a animals insides falling out after birth. That possibly could happen in overbreeding but don't see animals as suffering in normal well controlled breeding. I know some humans insides bladders etc comes out after birth so that sounds to me like humans suffer just as much.
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it does happen - it happened to my rescue pig only 5 weeks ago and believe me it is not nice and they do suffer. in fact they normally die from it - A PROLAPSE - and as i said before humans chose to have children - breeders take the choice away from animals
 
bsjlmb said:
it does happen - it happened to my rescue pig only 5 weeks ago and believe me it is not nice and they do suffer. in fact they normally die from it - A PROLAPSE - and as i said before humans chose to have children - breeders take the choice away from animals
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No, sorry, males take the choice away from females...in the wild they would be mated regardless of whether they fancied it or not...but some females can be very...emphatic...telling the males off.
 
Don't want to burst anyone's bubble but isn't discussing breeding against the rules? Fair enough we have our own opinions but rules are rules and we all signed to say we would follow them.

Gonna be a total contradiction to what i just said but I just want to say I don't think we can make any comparisons between what happens in nature when we are talking about domesticated animals- with that idea we could also say it is wrong to not leave them to be taken by predators.
 
Suppose you have to be careful using the word "wild" as guineas are not really wild, but I see the point your getting at.

And bsjlmb- I can see you have had a bad experience hence you hold the view you do, and its a shame to hear of guineas dying this way, with larger animals they use some form of belt to "hold it all in", shame no such solution could be used on guineas.
 
Well just to end this I would like to say. I don't see breeding guinea pigs as making them suffer. As long as breeding is controlled and kept to a minimum of 2 to 3 litters per sow and these animals are kept in clean runs and are healthy. Then they don't suffer.
 
If NOONE bred guinea pigs then, um, there wouldn't be any...I am not saying I am pro breeding, I personally wouldn't do it myself, but someone has to surely?!
 
Bekki2308 said:
Sending out a badly spelled and punctuated response screams unprofessional to me. It is not irrational. Professionals do not send out anything with errors in as it suggests incompetence. A professional (not the word id use) breeder would not want their name associated with shambles.

Spelling does not come into whether somebody can look after their pigs I agree, but somebody who breeds and sells/shows them is essentially a business with a reputation to keep.

would you buy a product from a website with spelling errors? its the same thing.
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I have a friend who is a vet. A very competent vet. As a final year student, he got the award for the highest mark of any student graduating in all of the vet schools that year. He's now a cardiologist and works in London on a 6 figure salary. He's dyslexic and mis-spells every day words. Does that affect his ability to do his job?
 
For crying out loud. Please get over it. I felt the need to one last response, the people jumping on me are breeders apart from you Amanda, the response from this breeder was disgusting, defensive and screamed incompetence.

Hardly the same as a qualified vet, and spelling on a computer is easy. I'm out of this thread as its got pathetic and totally off topic.

I am not going to explain myself again as its falling on deaf ears and there is just no arguing with breeders using the God argument.
 
Bekki2308 said:
For crying out loud. Please get over it. I felt the need to one last response, the people jumping on me are breeders apart from you Amanda, the response from this breeder was disgusting, defensive and screamed incompetence.

Hardly the same as a qualified vet, and spelling on a computer is easy. I'm out of this thread as its got pathetic and totally off topic.

I am not going to explain myself again as its falling on deaf ears and there is just no arguing with breeders using the God argument.
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maybe using the god argument is the only way of justifying breeding for them - it certainly isn't for the sake of the animals as there are so many in rescues, or dumped at the bottom of gardens etc, it's for their own selfish needs. that is my opinion and i'm sticking to it. as for this 'debate' - this has gone completely off what this was all about. this was intended to explain the dangers of breeding certain breeds of pigs - nothing more - just hopefully to make people who do not know about this understand. why don't all you breeders get a grip on life and leave this 'rescue forum' alone. we are here to pick up the pieces when things go wrong for these lovely little creatures. not to bring more into the world unneccesarily grrrrgrrrr
 
I know you are referring to me. But yes I'm a breeder but you have to realise you can't put all breeders in the same light because that's what you are doing. Not all breeders are bad so stop steriotyping.
 
Whilst we choose not to discuss intentional breeding on this forum, and encourage people to offer forever homes to piggies in rescue, I also believe there are good breeders and bad breeders. No-one is going to make loads of money from breeding guinea pigs and certainly not from ones with hair! I would rather guinea pigs be bred by knowledgeable people than by people 'playing at it' or in some of the dreadful places that breed for the large pet stores.

I think this thread has gone far enough now, and I am going to close it. If anyone has a problem with this, please pm me.

Debbie
 
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