brought new baby guinea to home, now he cant stand him

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Hi guys,

We adopted a one-month-old male baby guinea pig lately for being a mate with our older(1,5 years old) male baby but the older one started to make curious sound and tried to get on the small one. We were so afraid we seperated them immadiately. Later some person said that our older guinea pig needed to copulate so we borrowed a girl guinea pig for him to home. However he still cannot stand the new baby. What is the reason of it? What should we do? We are so upset because we brought him home for him not to feel lonely..
 
1. Please do not breed from your piggies. This is not something that piggies need to control their behaviour and discussing intentional breeding is forbidden on the forum.

It is important that your piggies personalities are compatible. Bonding behaviours can look aggressive to begin with but it's important you understand what is normal and what is not normal as once bonding is in process you need to let it continue until they are either bonded or have shown you that they will not live together.

The guides on behaviour are key here particularly the bonding behaviours. Please make sure you read them thoroughly and follow the guidance. Bonding MUST take place on neutral ground
Behaviour, Bonding & Bereavement Guides
 
“”Please do not breed from your piggies. This is not something that piggies need to control their behaviour and discussing intentional breeding is forbidden on the forum.””

I did not understand your comment.

Our intention was not bonding them. We adopted a MALE pig anyways just to make them friends.
 
Hi, firstly congrats on the new arrive tho I'm very sorry it's so stressful at the moment. I think @Lady Kelly is just referring to your comment of bringing a female home to copulate.

We advise not separating guinea pigs when carrying out the bonding process unless blood is drawn. Things you'll see are mounting (this is just dominance behaviour), squeaking/rumbling, chasing and nibbling. It can be scary to watch and loud. With my boys I left them in a separate room to get on with it because I couldn't watch.
 
togepitheguineapig said:
“”Please do not breed from your piggies. This is not something that piggies need to control their behaviour and discussing intentional breeding is forbidden on the forum.””

I did not understand your comment.

Our intention was not bonding them. We adopted a MALE pig anyways just to make them friends.
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I think it was the word "copulate" that made us think you were talking about breeding 🤔
 
No, we have a lonely piggy and we just adopted a new baby piggy to become his friend. However our neq piggy is so small and the first time we left them alone, our older piggy did something made us think like he was gonna hurt him. Also after the movement he made, there was some blood on the floor from our baby piggy. They are both male. Thats why we seperated them immediately. Ae are of our old piggy would kill him something. I am asking your advice about what should be done.
 
togepitheguineapig said:
“”Please do not breed from your piggies. This is not something that piggies need to control their behaviour and discussing intentional breeding is forbidden on the forum.””

I did not understand your comment.

Our intention was not bonding them. We adopted a MALE pig anyways just to make them friends.
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I think it's the bit where you said
togepitheguineapig said:
Later some person said that our older guinea pig needed to copulate so we borrowed a girl guinea pig for him to home.
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It sounds like you intentionally added a female to your older male?

Please only mix sexes of Guineas that are neutered (6wks post op for males), pregnancies can happen in the blink of an eye!

There is a whole section on the forum for "behaviour & bonding" advice. Wiebke has spent a lot of time creating stickies that you can get loads of information from, using her experience of bonding countless amounts of Guineas.
Here's a link to a dominance behavior thread but have a look through the whole section for tips
Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs

The humping action of two males of whatever age is all part of the bonding & dominance ritual. Rumblestrutting, bum wiggling, chasing & chin flicking is all normal bonding behaviour too.
A very submissive piggy can usually squeal a lot, it's just saying-don't hurt me! It's not that it's actually been injured.

Try & give the boys a large neutral area to get acquainted in with open ended tubes or an upturned cardboard box, maybe with a hole in it just big enough to let baby get into to hide from the adult if he's a bit too boisterous to start off with.
A couple of Piles of hay each end & food scattered all over the place is usually a good start.
An empty bath or bathroom/hallway somewhere with no wires is a good area to try to bond if you can?

Bonding takes anything from a few hours to a few days, so patience is the key to it.

If there is serious teeth showing, lunging or blood is drawn, then it's highly unlikely that they'll ever get on & should be separated immediately (go careful if they're full on fighting, throw a towel on top of them to separate before trying to pick one up as they may take a nasty chunk out of your hand in the heat of the moment :( )

Good luck x
 
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togepitheguineapig said:
“”Please do not breed from your piggies. This is not something that piggies need to control their behaviour and discussing intentional breeding is forbidden on the forum.””

I did not understand your comment.

Our intention was not bonding them. We adopted a MALE pig anyways just to make them friends.
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Yes it was absolutely this comment.

togepitheguineapig said:
some person said that our older guinea pig needed to copulate so we borrowed a girl guinea pig for him to home.
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There is seemingly no way to misunderstand this post so I was simply pointing out that discussion of intentional breeding is not permitted on this forum whether both are your piggies or if the female is "borrowed" from another person.
 
I did not know that rule and also wrote this because we do not know what we are doing and find out what is the reason behind that aggressive behaviour from the experienced people, you.
 
togepitheguineapig said:
I did not know that rule and also wrote this because we do not know what we are doing and find out what is the reason behind that aggressive behaviour from the experienced people, you.
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That's ok and again why I was pointing it out. When people register they tick to say they have read and agree to these rules but quite often we find that people tick the box without actually reading the rules and hence why we point them out when we read posts like this. We have no problems with people asking questions because they don't understand what is happening or what to do to make things better, we all started with no knowledge (or I certainly did and I learnt pretty much all I know from this forum and from visits to my vets with various illnesses over the years).
 
So do you think we should wait our one month baby to grow up a little for them to bond?
 
Hi!

It is great that you want to find your boy a companion. I am very sorry that it is not going to plan.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like your boy is accepting the baby if there has been blood.

Have you found out what where the bleeding is from? Is it a scratch or a full-on bite? Have you just stuck the baby into the cage so it has been perceived as an intruder? Where is your baby from?

There is no magic wand trick to change personality and individual liking; acceptance either happens or not. With any boar, you are in with about a 50% of chance for it to work if you acquire any companion on spec, irrespective of age. Once piggies have made up their mind about another one, they rarely change it.

Mating with a sow will only have sadly made things worse rather than better. NO boar likes to be demoted from being with a sow to be back to being a bachelor. I am very sorry that you have fallen victim to some old-fashioned, long debunked and plain wrong breeder advice; breeders are generally not concerned with how piggy society works outside of procreation.

Please take the time to read these guides here. You will find them very helpful.
- Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics (includes chapters on how to stage an introduction, on baby and boar bonding with videos)
- A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars (discusses finding company for a single boar and its various challenges in detail)


Which country are you in? Your options largely depend on what is accessible for you locally. Where
 
I am from Turkey, we have a peruvian, the old one. Actually we couldn’t find the spot where the bleeding was coming from. We just saw a red bubble as we put the piggy on the floor but the bleeding didn’t continue, just stopped. There was just a bubble. I am not sure if we try to bond them again?
 
He just mounted the small one, lifted him up with his teeth and showedsome agressive behavior etc
 
I guess we did it all wrong . I get it now reading the link you gave me. We put them together in his cage in the first place. Can we turn this wrong in to a right if we start the whole process again ?
 
togepitheguineapig said:
I guess we did it all wrong . I get it now reading the link you gave me. We put them together in his cage in the first place. Can we turn this wrong in to a right if we start the whole process again ?
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Please read the behaviour links and watch the videos so you can judge for yourself whether it is normal behavior or not.
Let them live next to each other where they can interact through the bars, so tempers can cool down. But like I said, there is nothing you can do to make them like each other. In this respect guinea pigs are very much like humans - and every bit as complex. :(

PS: I t would help us and you a lot if you please added your country to location in your account details so it appears with every post you make. This allows us to adjust any advice to what is available to you straight away. You access your profile information via clicking on your username on the top bar. Our default advice is UK based with comparatively easy access to good standard rescues and vets.
Please keep in mind that we jump between lots of different threads in a day, never mind a week, so anything that helps us to place you helps you to get the kind of recommendations and information that is relevant for you quickly.
 
HEY GUYSS! Thank you all for your advices. It worked out! There goes the happy photo
 

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