Can I bond them again.

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First time here, looking for some advice.

I have 4 male piggies, 2 bonded pairs, we are trying to introduce them all, all was going well till yesterday when one got hurt. I don’t know which one hurt him. I put the hurt one back in with his bonded buddy and now they are being very dominant over each other, teeth chattering, circling and lunging. They have now been separated but have a wire mesh between them so they can still see each other. Any advice on why the behaviour has changed and how I can get them back in together. Thanks
 
Welcome to the forum

I’m sorry to hear this.

Unfortunately putting four boars together doesn’t work (particularly where teenage or young adult piggies are involved - older boar carer groups (ie with piggies older than 4-5 years) can sometimes function), it has an almost 100% failure rate. They find it very hard to function due to the fact you can only have one dominant piggy in any group (and finding boars so laid back that they are happy to live in a herd is incredibly hard)
As you had two (presumably established) pairs there were two dominant boys (one in each pair) so as soon as you put those two together, a clash will happen as they both defend their position. Neither one is ever going to be prepared to back down and thus it fails (fights and injuries usually occurring).
Space is also another factor - a cage larger than four square metres would be needed but even with that space they are still not going to be able to function a hierarchy - the space just means they can get away from each other rather than have a harmonious group.

Unfortunately a consequence of a boar quartet attempt is that it can break bonds between the original pairs, so once the quartet fails the pair also does.
The common outcome of boar quartet attempt/failure is one pair remains intact but the other doesn’t overcome the disruption and also fails - so a pair and two singles. We have also seen cases of members finding us post-attempt where all bonds have been broken and they’re left with four single piggies.

It would be best to leave the two of them apart for a few days to calm down.
You may decide at that point that they are both happier and as such they would be best to be kept separate permanently.
Alternatively, in a few days time you may decide to put the two of them back into neutral territory (do not reintroduce them in a cage which either one of them are as their territory) to allow them to decide if they wish to go back together. It will become clear quite quickly whether it will work or not.
Do prepare that it may now mean they would prefer to stay side by side in separate cages permanently.

I have added a few of guides below which explains everything more fully, and including the bonding guide

Keep us posted on how things go

Adding More Guinea Pigs Or Merging Pairs – What Works And What Not?
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated Bonding Dynamics and Behaviours
 
Thank you for your reply. One pair are ok but my young pair, about 5 months are grumpy. They are currently side by side and can see each other. They are indoors as one is injured and I don't want him to get and infection. They have been in together today with some food and seemed ok. However once they had finished eating the noises started and the teeth chattering so I separated them again. ( don’t know if this is for the best) They are currently laying side by side against the bars next to each other. I don’t know what to do for the best.
 
I've learnt since being on this forum that lying side by side against the bars next to each other is NOT a sign of them being friendly or wanting to be together. It's more like each is defending his own property.

Do read the links @Piggies&buns put at the bottom of her post, they will give you the information you need.
 
Thank you for your reply. One pair are ok but my young pair, about 5 months are grumpy. They are currently side by side and can see each other. They are indoors as one is injured and I don't want him to get and infection. They have been in together today with some food and seemed ok. However once they had finished eating the noises started and the teeth chattering so I separated them again. ( don’t know if this is for the best) They are currently laying side by side against the bars next to each other. I don’t know what to do for the best.

It does sound like they are tense with each other. They are teenagers so that makes everything harder due to hormones.
I would think that their bond is sadly over.

Laying beside the grids is not a friendly sign - it is a territorial behaviour for fallen out boars, making sure the other knows to stay away.

A - Z of Guinea Pig Behaviours
 
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