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Cleaning with mites - getting overwhelmed!

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Hi everyone. I just want an advice please regarding cleaning items during mite outbreak. I have soaked their wooden hideaways with f10sc - will this kill the mites? I am so worried about reinfecting them and upon reading about it, it says that the f10 does not really kill mites? I tried looking for the germicide version but could not find it anywhere... or is the f10 sufficient as there's little chance those mites that gets on the wooden houses can reinfect my piggies?

Thank you so much. I'm sure i had other questions but I am just a bit overwhelmed at the moment 😅
 
Hi everyone. I just want an advice please regarding cleaning items during mite outbreak. I have soaked their wooden hideaways with f10sc - will this kill the mites? I am so worried about reinfecting them and upon reading about it, it says that the f10 does not really kill mites? I tried looking for the germicide version but could not find it anywhere... or is the f10 sufficient as there's little chance those mites that gets on the wooden houses can reinfect my piggies?

Thank you so much. I'm sure i had other questions but I am just a bit overwhelmed at the moment 😅
I also have another question please - my guinea pigs have different symptoms apart from excessive scratching. One is having fur loss at the moment and one has flaky skin. How long after treatment can i see hair growing back and how long after treatment should i not expect to see flaky skin anymore please? Only so i could keep an eye after. 😊

Thank you so much
 
Have they started with a prescription strength medication?

You change the bedding two days after each treatment (and then go back to your normal bedding change routine in between each treatment).
Throw away the hay, disinfect the cage and the hard items; using F10 is fine.
If you do this two days after a treatment then any mites on them would have been killed so fall off and get washed away with the cage clean.
If it’s hay mites then cut piggies hair short to remove as many eggs as possible.

Fur loss and flaky skin is not at all unusual for mites.
Flaky skin will stop pretty quickly with successful treatment but hair regrowth will take several weeks after
 

Hi

@Piggies&buns have given you our advice for when to clean with skin parasites. It is different to dealing with fungal ringworm spores, which are environmental. In the case of less harmful hay mites, these come usually with a batch of hay (hence their vernacular name), so getting rid of your current hay and sourcing it elsewhere is the best way of preventing further outbreaks.

As to hair cutting:
You need to cut short your hair only with hay mites, not mange mites because hay mites fix their tiny eggs to the hairs while mange mites burrow theirs into the increasingly inflamed skin.

When you feel underlayer hairs in the bum area in dark guinea pigs, the fixed hay mites eggs feel like minute beads on a very thin string; in light coloured piggies the eggs look a bit like somebody has turned a pepper mill over them.
The haircut is there to remove these hay mites eggs, so you then have to fight a lot less mites in the coming weeks. Without egg cases fixed to hairs, the next generation of hay mites won't have a chance to emerge and there is also a lot less space where any mites can fix new eggs.

Guinea pig hairs grow constantly, like human hair and will grow back to their genetically determined length in a matter of weeks. How long that takes depends on the breed. In short-haired piggies fallen out hairs take about a month or so to grow back.

Hair cutting won't work in the case of mange mites because the eggs sit in the skin. Any treatment will only affect emerging mites but not the mange mites eggs in the skin, which are usually kept under control by a healthy immne system. You get outbreaks of mange mites only if the immune system is still under contruction (babies), overloaded (pregnancy/nursing, which is when they are also transmitted to babies) or weakened through illness or old age.
Some rescue or breeder piggies can come with an mange mite egg reservoir in their skin but once you know that have one of those piggies you can usually keep any mange mites under control by treating promptly as soon as you notice the first signs of an outbreak; in that case, the well cared for mates usually can fend off mites with their own immune system and things won't get very far.

Lice are play crawly things you can see. In well kept domestic piggies, hay mites are now the most common skin parasite. No haircut required.
 
Have they started with a prescription strength medication?

You change the bedding two days after each treatment (and then go back to your normal bedding change routine in between each treatment).
Throw away the hay, disinfect the cage and the hard items; using F10 is fine.
If you do this two days after a treatment then any mites on them would have been killed so fall off and get washed away with the cage clean.
If it’s hay mites then cut piggies hair short to remove as many eggs as possible.

Fur loss and flaky skin is not at all unusual for mites.
Flaky skin will stop pretty quickly with successful treatment but hair regrowth will take several weeks after
Yes they have been started on prescription strength medication.

Thank you so much. That is reassuring. I just feel very worried about reinfecting them and just want to make sure i am eliminating as much as I can.
 
Hi

@Piggies&buns have given you our advice for when to clean with skin parasites. It is different to dealing with fungal ringworm spores, which are environmental. In the case of less harmful hay mites, these come usually with a batch of hay (hence their vernacular name), so getting rid of your current hay and sourcing it elsewhere is the best way of preventing further outbreaks.

As to hair cutting:
You need to cut short your hair only with hay mites, not mange mites because hay mites fix their tiny eggs to the hairs while mange mites burrow theirs into the increasingly inflamed skin.

When you feel underlayer hairs in the bum area in dark guinea pigs, the fixed hay mites eggs feel like minute beads on a very thin string; in light coloured piggies the eggs look a bit like somebody has turned a pepper mill over them.
The haircut is there to remove these hay mites eggs, so you then have to fight a lot less mites in the coming weeks. Without egg cases fixed to hairs, the next generation of hay mites won't have a chance to emerge and there is also a lot less space where any mites can fix new eggs.

Guinea pig hairs grow constantly, like human hair and will grow back to their genetically determined length in a matter of weeks. How long that takes depends on the breed. In short-haired piggies fallen out hairs take about a month or so to grow back.

Hair cutting won't work in the case of mange mites because the eggs sit in the skin. Any treatment will only affect emerging mites but not the mange mites eggs in the skin, which are usually kept under control by a healthy immne system. You get outbreaks of mange mites only if the immune system is still under contruction (babies), overloaded (pregnancy/nursing, which is when they are also transmitted to babies) or weakened through illness or old age.
Some rescue or breeder piggies can come with an mange mite egg reservoir in their skin but once you know that have one of those piggies you can usually keep any mange mites under control by treating promptly as soon as you notice the first signs of an outbreak; in that case, the well cared for mates usually can fend off mites with their own immune system and things won't get very far.

Lice are play crawly things you can see. In well kept domestic piggies, hay mites are now the most common skin parasite. No haircut required.
Thank you so much. I did notice one of them having flaky scalp before (few months ago and not as bad as now) but because i was naive then i thought they can get occassional dandruff like us! So anyway going forward i did notice more scratching from them and just noticed lots of flakes and some thinning of fur on my other piggy.

i feel so guilty for not addressing the flaky scalp before and even feel guiltier that i may have caused them some stress to have their immune system lowered.
 
I also want to ask please - when deep cleaning their cage i will wash their beddings at 60 degrees. Whilst i deep clean, they will have their floor time - do I then have to wash the floor time bedding at 60 degrees too?

Thank you so much.
 
i've been told it's mange

What product has your vet prescribed you and how many applications? The treatment is the same for either type of mites but have you felt for potential egg cases to make sure that it is mange and not hay mites. They can look rather similar in the very early stages.
Mange mites usually create a rather distinctive V shape of thinning hair/hair loss in the middle of the back whereas with hay mites the hair thinning and loss is more irregular. You see flaky skin in both cases.

You can wash the fabrics at normal temperatures if you wish to - some people with anxiety prefer higher temperatures because the parasites gross them out and they want to make absolutely sure. The washing cycle should deal with and remove any dying or dead mites. It is not like ringworm spores which can stick to fabric and survive lower washing temperatures.
 
What product has your vet prescribed you and how many applications? The treatment is the same for either type of mites but have you felt for potential egg cases to make sure that it is mange and not hay mites. They can look rather similar in the very early stages.
Mange mites usually create a rather distinctive V shape of thinning hair/hair loss in the middle of the back whereas with hay mites the hair thinning and loss is more irregular. You see flaky skin in both cases.

You can wash the fabrics at normal temperatures if you wish to - some people with anxiety prefer higher temperatures because the parasites gross them out and they want to make absolutely sure. The washing cycle should deal with and remove any dying or dead mites. It is not like ringworm spores which can stick to fabric and survive lower washing temperatures.
I have been given the ivermectin 1%, 1 drop each ear every week for 3 weeks.

Thank you, this is very reassuring... So far they have had their 2nd dose 2 days ago so i am doing the deep clean today.
 
I have been given the ivermectin 1%, 1 drop each ear every week for 3 weeks.

Thank you, this is very reassuring... So far they have had their 2nd dose 2 days ago so i am doing the deep clean today.

The itching is usually getting stronger again in the run up to the second dose and then in the first two days as the ivermectin is being absorbed and working on the mites in and on the skin. After that it should hopefully peter off. The third dosage is for mopping up any stragglers.

I assume that your vet has adjusted the dosage to the weight?
 
The itching is usually getting stronger again in the run up to the second dose and then in the first two days as the ivermectin is being absorbed and working on the mites in and on the skin. After that it should hopefully peter off. The third dosage is for mopping up any stragglers.

I assume that your vet has adjusted the dosage to the weight?
Yes. 2 drops equivalent to 0.05-0.06 ml for my 2 1.2kg boars :)

Yes I did notice more scratching a day after the first dose then again after the 2nd dose. It's heartbreaking to think they are suffering and I'm beating myself up for not noticing sooner!
 
All I can offer is my sympathy as I’ve been there and it’s a nightmare to get on top of. You’ll get there, keep going!
 
Yes I’ve been there too (as @thewheakybeans )
I felt overwhelmed and guilty but you shouldn’t …it’s not your fault and you’re doing everything you can to get on top of a difficult situation
You will get there and remember most of us have been where you and really understand
Good luck
 
Thank you @thewheakybeans and @Roselina, it does make you feel you don't clean enough and if the infestation comes with stressful times - did I make them stressed? So it does make you think about these things.

and then there's making sure you clean everything enough so you don't reintroduce the mites. But @Wiebke and @Piggies&buns have been really helpful so I do feel much better. :)

All these comes with loving them so I'm taking it all in and learning as I go. My piggies have given me so much happiness so in my head this is nothing compared to the joy they give me. Sounds corny but true :D :P
 
Yes. 2 drops equivalent to 0.05-0.06 ml for my 2 1.2kg boars :)

Yes I did notice more scratching a day after the first dose then again after the 2nd dose. It's heartbreaking to think they are suffering and I'm beating myself up for not noticing sooner!

Even if you noticed sooner, you would get the same reaction and you would have had to do the same treatment. Mange mites are not something you can avoid as an owner because they are not because of your care. :(

Try to see it as a good sign that the ivermectin is going to work on those pesky mites instead and that life is going to get more comfy again. Please note that the itchiness will gradually increase again towards when the second dose is due as more mites are emerging.
 
Even if you noticed sooner, you would get the same reaction and you would have had to do the same treatment. Mange mites are not something you can avoid as an owner because they are not because of your care. :(

Try to see it as a good sign that the ivermectin is going to work on those pesky mites instead and that life is going to get more comfy again. Please note that the itchiness will gradually increase again towards when the second dose is due as more mites are emerging.
Thank you @Wiebke 😊 x i do feel so much better after your support x
 
Thank you @Wiebke 😊 x i do feel so much better after your support x

Thank you.

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