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Confused about ivomec dose for piggys.

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I bought this ivomec for the pigs and it arrived today.

http://www.medicanimal.com/product/~ivomec-super-merial/~product_id=532

I was told the dosage was 0.1mls per pig but on the instructions it says 1ml per 50kg so my question is isnt 0.1mls to much and would be a over dose? Also is it given orally or on the back of the neck?
It also says once open use within 6 months, is this correct even though the best before is 2013.

Thanks.
 
Hello

I think 0.1mls per pig may be too high and would advise extreme caution as you do not want to overdose them.

I bought some pipettes of Ivermectin especially for guinea pigs and base my dosings on that. it was 2 pipettes for a pig over 750g in weight and 2 pipettes contained 300 micrograms.

The dosage for your product says

"1 ml per 50 kg bodyweight (based on a recommended dosage level of 200 micrograms ivermectin and 2 mg clorsulon per kg bodyweight)."

So by my reckoning 1/50 of a ml would provide 200 micrograms of Ivermectin, so 1/25 of a ml would give you 400 micrograms which would be about 15% too much for a 750g pig.

1/50 ml = 0.02ml gives you 200 micrograms dose

350/200 x 0.02 = 0.035mls for a 750g pig and half that for a pig weighing less than 750g.

However,

1) I am not sure how you can accurately measure such tiny quantities; what syringe do you have?

2) What is the other active ingredient "clorsulon" in the Ivomec Super (Merial) and is it definitely safe for pigs?

In short, proceed with extreme caution as it's very strong stuff. If in doubt, don't use!

Don't rely on my calculations, make you sure are happy with how to work it out and see what answer you come up with.

You have to be really careful because the product is not licenced for pigs.

Hope that helps!

Alex
 
According to one of my boooks, ivermectin (Ivomec) can be given either by injection or orally (obviously, yourself will be administering ivermectin orally).

The recommened dose is 200 micrograms (ug) per kilogram - one drop from a 2 millilitre syringe is equivalent to 200 micrograms (ug). However, an adult cavy will typically require two drops. According to my book, trials at the CCT have shown more than two drops of ivermectin can be administrated to an adult guinea pig with no adverse side-effects. The dose can be repeated at 10-14 day intervals. On the other hand, ivermectin should not be given orally to cavies three months or younger.

As mentioned, the above information is extracted from a book.
 
Thanks for your replies. After alot of questions i decided to buy the ivomec as this is what they had used and was told the dose was 0.1ml and they had given it to their piggys. Both my pigs are 20 months old and weigh 1.5kg and 1.6kg. I have a 2ml syringe that has 0.1ml stated on it. I had a go with water to see how much 0.1ml is and it was a very small drop.
 
Guinea-pigGaga said:
From my understanding, Panacur is rather intended for rabbits and should not be used on cavies. However, other products are available for cavies.
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What are the products available for guinea pigs? Think i will be sending them both back tomorrow and stick to the xeno spot on. I was worried that they may catch worms from the grass and dandelions they eat.
 
I know other people use it but I would worry about long term effects why treat for something they dont have its not needed well anyways thats just my view. I do worry about everything lol, maybe try the gg range adleast you know its def for pigs!
 
JoanneG111 said:
I know other people use it but I would worry about long term effects why treat for something they dont have its not needed well anyways thats just my view. I do worry about everything lol, maybe try the gg range adleast you know its def for pigs!
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Its driving me mad now. malletheadI was just worried that they would have internal parasites as they eat alot of grass from outdoors. Think i shall be sending it back tomorrow and juts use the xeno. :)
 
I'm confused now! :)) From my understanding, Ivomec kills ectoparasites. On the other hand, Xeno kills both endoparasites and ectoparasites.
 
Guinea-pigGaga said:
I'm confused now! :)) From my understanding, Ivomec kills ectoparasites. On the other hand, Xeno kills both endoparasites and ectoparasites.
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I have posted a question on the guinea lynx site so hopefully they will be able to answer my question as they seem to use the ivomec i purchased.:)

This is very confusing stuff.:{

Also after reading the info on the guinea lynx the dose seems to be 0.01mls not 0.1ml as the picture shows a dose of 0.05mls
 
Have you also asked about Panacur and Xeno? I would be interested to know what replies you receive. :)
 
I have also sent a email to vedra at the CCT as she offers worming every 3 months. I shall put the reply on this thread as soon as i receive it.

On the guinea lynx i only asked about the ivomec but will send another about the xeno and panacur.

Here is vedra's website as i know alot of members have visited her. I wish i lived closer to her.
http://rodentretreat.co.uk/cct.html

:)
 
Guinea-pigGaga said:
From my understanding, Panacur is rather intended for rabbits and should not be used on cavies. However, other products are available for cavies.
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That's Panacur Rabbit that you are thinking of. Panacur comes in all different strengths, and the lowest strength (2.5% off the top of my head :{) is quite suitable for cavies, although obviously not licensed - the 2.5% one is sold for cattle/sheep, as is Ivomec. Panacur Rabbit is 18.75% strength.
 
hi, be careful dosing with ivomec as your percentage may be different to someone else's which would explain the difference in dosing quanatities.
My piggies came with mites, spoke to the rodentologist i work with, he recommended xeno, which i have used, and has made a remarkable difference
 
Please do try and find out what the extra ingrdient is in the Ivomec you bought in case it's bad for cavies.

I use Noromectin on my cavies, it is an Ivermectin drench (oral) for sheep. Yours seems to be an injectable for cattle so will be much stronger. It's still the same active ingredient but you need to be so careful not to overdose (and of course to check what the extra ingredient is first too).

Cheers
Alex
 
"Yours seems to be an injectable for cattle so will be much stronger."

Is that a fact or your opinion?
 
I use Ivomec Super (injectable type) which is for cattle & i give it to my piggies. They are all still here & healthy :)
 
alcesterpigs said:
"Yours seems to be an injectable for cattle so will be much stronger."

Is that a fact or your opinion?
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I suppose you could say it's just my opinion (why?) but the product page states:-

"IVOMEC Super Injection for Cattle is a low-volume product registered for use only in beef cattle and non-lactating dairy cattle. "

Low volume implies higher concentration *in my opinion* and also the Noromectin I use (sheep drench) is only half as strong.

I am sure the product can be used safely on guinea pigs and don't wish to critcise but I just think great care should be taken calculating doses.

I also don't know about Cluroson, google tells me it's "A benzenesulfonamide anthelmintic and flukacide used in cattle and sheep" and I just don't know whether it's safe for Guinea pigs.

For my pigs I use an Ivermectin only sheep drench (i.e. no cloroson) and I calculate the dose to replicate that of Xeno Guinea pig pipettes.

Cheers
Alex
 
I think the majority of us dosing ivermectin orally are using injectable ivermectin. eg. I use Panomec, which is injectable ivermectin.
 
I am still waiting for a reply form Vedra at the CCT and will only administer the ivomec if the replie tells me its safe to use on guinea pigs. If not i shall be discarding it.

Have you ever used the panacur 2.5%?
 
The dose is

Panacur 2.5% Sheep Worming Solution 0.4ml by mouth.

Ivomec Cattle Injection Fluid 0.1ml to 0.2ml. Repeat dose 10 days later. This is by injection.

Ivomec can also be given by mouth at a dose of 2 to 3 drops, directly into the mouth.
 
I am the one J&G has been speaking to in regards to the Ivomec and Panacur, so it's been interesting reading through this thread. I stand by my advice and I advised her the same as I would publicly.

Both the Panacur and Ivomec J&G bought are used and recommended by the CCT, and I use both one my own 12 pigs once every three months. In regards to the extra ingredient in Ivomec Super, the CCT specifically states that it is safe for rodents. If there was any doubt over it, I would not be using the product on my own pigs, nor recommending it to others, although I do fully understand the concerns over the whole topic.

The dose I initially pointed out to J&G for the Ivomec was two drops. I also mentioned that one drop is typically equivalent to 0.05ml, as has been discussed on the forum before and has always been the case in my personal experience of various medicines. The oral dose suggestion of 0.1ml is similar to that dose which is injected, as with numerous other drugs (e.g. Baytril 0.4ml injected and oral immediately comes to mind).
I have given 0.1ml Ivomec orally without a problem, but do always recommend the 2 drops approach first.

As I understand it, the main issue here is generally "how much does one drop of Ivomec equal". I will be in touch with Vedra this evening in the hope of asking her for further clarification of this.
 
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