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coping with loss of young male

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I bought 2 baby female guinea pigs just over 5 months ago . They were different in character - one quiet and docile and one feisty , loud and so funny . 3 months later I noticed my dear little quiet piggy was expanding in size . The feisty one , whom I assumed to be a dominant female , was in fact a male . The store where I bought them said this was a rare error and initially said to bring them back and swap for 2 new ones ! I found this completely unacceptable - treating them like a pair of ill fitting shoes .
After negotiation ( my daughter took it up ) the store agreed to provide a hutch and pay for neutering surgery at their designated vets' surgery.
I took my beautiful boy on Monday . When he came home he was still and silent . I assumed it was the anaesthetic wearing off . By Tuesday morning he was evidently very ill. As the designated vet was a distance from my home , and the weather was so hot , I decided to rush him to a local vet . He stayed there until Wednesday late morning . I had a call from the vet to say he needed further surgery , and due to mounting cost best to get him back to designated vet for free care . I took him back there , and the vet who had operated on him took him in . An hour later I had a call to say he had a massively enlarged heart and his illness was not related to the surgery . However , the vet said he was responding to treatment and starting to move . As I had already paid the local vet £214 , I realised I was now paying this vet ( I am a pensioner) and asked what my bill was so far . I was surprised when she said £250 as he had only been there a few hours . I then said if he was responding well I could bring him home and continue treatment , as I could not afford the fees . The vet said she would discuss this with management . She then said my piggy would never have a good life , could die at any minute , would need medication for life etc etc . and said had I considered euthanasia . I asked her to forward the x-rays to my local vet as I really needed a 2nd opinion . She said 2 other vets at the practice had agreed her diagnosis but I needed that 2nd opinion and she did send the x -rays . She then said for me to think about euthanasia and she would call me in a couple of hours for a decision . Less than 20 minutes later she called to say my piggy was dead . I received a "massively discounted" bill for £250 -- somehow the total they came up with was £764 .41 for 5 hours . I feel I was responsible for his death - wish I had never taken him for surgery - he was so lovely , such a character and totally fine when I took him , selfishly thinking I could then keep him . Now I have 4 beautiful babies and their Mum but I know I cannot keep any of them . If one got sick I just couldn't go to a vet . And to care for them I know this need may arise . And this is why I am heartbroken .
 
I’m sorry you were thrown in at the deep end. Unfortunately there’s no way of knowing what may have lead to your boy’s passing.

If you feel that you cannot keep mum and pups then please surrender them to a rescue where they’ll be looked after and rehomed. I’m sorry you’ve had to make that decision but please give yourself a pat on the back. It is a big sacrifice and you have done what is right for your piggies rather than you.

Wishing you all the best and do let us know how you get on. Ask questions if you want. I’m linking to the rescue locator below. 💕
Rescue Locator
 
Hello and welcome to the forum
I’m so sorry to read your very sad post, what an awful experience you’ve had :hug: I think you have been very unlucky with your little boar. generally speaking neutering is a safe procedure and you were right to go ahead and get it done. I think your vet bills are outrageous and I would be very suspicious of what happened at the vet practice. I would insist on seeing those X rays too. After all you have paid for them
Please don’t beat yourself up, it’s very sad but you had him neutered for the right reason, so your little piggies could live happily together without more babies, it was not your fault that you were given mix sexed guinea pigs.
If you decide to keep Mum please keep one of the babies as company for her (a female) as thry can live for 7 years and it’s a long time to be an only guinea. We often advise to have a fund for vet bills, as they can be costly.

There is a lovely and very haelpful guinea pig rescue called Little Wheekers in Bristol, I can highly recommend, thry are on Facebook
So sorry this has happened x
 
Thank you . I too am suspicious about what happened at that vets' surgery . My precious boy was "responding well" to treatment and when I said I could not afford much more for his care and would bring him home ---well suddenly it was all hopeless and the subject of euthanasia was brought up . Very shortly afterwards I was told my pet had died . I had the x rays sent to my local vet and will be seeing her next week as they are going to sex the babies with out charge . I will get her opinion on the "massively enlarged " heart then . Nothing can bring back my Billa who was 5 months old . What was odd is that the vet told me £250 BEFORE talking to management --- and they gave me this ridiculous bill for £760+ saying they had graciously given MASSIVE discount down to --guess what ? £250 . Forgive my disbelief . If I had continued to pay would he still be here ? Why did he die so suddenly after the great improvement ? I know what I think and will take a very long time to get over it . So it's not only utter grief at losing my little pal -- it's all the other stuff whirling in my head --
(( I would never keep a guinea pig on its own -- just for the record !))
Thanks for understanding the trauma and sadness this has caused . Thanks for links . I have 1 week to decide finally where to go from here .:(
 
So sorry, I hope your vet will put your mind at ease with regard to his enlarged heart, it’s been an awful time for you having to cope with all this sadness as well as the uncertainty of what “went on”
 
I’m truly sorry you have had to go through all of this. It’s terribly disheartening as a new piggy owner. You did what was best for him. rip little man xx
 
I am so sorry you have had to go through this, the behaviour of your vet sounds very suspicious. I can only imagine how heartbroken you are.
I am in South Bristol, if you are able to get to me I have lots of spare piggie stuff. If there is anyway you think I can help with the loan of a spare cage or with anything else please ask. You will need to seperate any boy babies from the mum and sisters at 3 weeks or 250gms in weight which ever comes first. I hope you can find a way to keep your mummy piggie and a baby girl if she had one.
 
I am so sorry for what you have been through and for the loss of your little fellow.
 
I am so sorry that you are going through this awful time. Neutering is considered a fairly safe procedure when done by a vet who is experienced and does them on a regular basis. However, if your piggy did have an undiagnosed underlying health condition he may have succumbed to this even if he had not had the neutering procedure. Please don't blame yourself for any of this, you did the right thing for your piggy and could not have known the outcome.

If you can bring yourself to keep the mum and and any female babies, i am sure that they will bring you joy in the long term. Please don't make a quick decision that you may regret. There is a list of recommended vets on the forum and maybe you could use one of these if the need arises.
 
I’m so sorry for your loss. Popcorn free Billa.
 
You are all so kind and I thank you for that . Yes - I loved my guinea pigs and am loving the 4 babies I never intended to get ! Right now just trying to climb over the intense grief I feel ( not being a tragedy queen) . Whatever I decide will only ever be in the best interests of these beautiful little animals .
 
Hello again everyone
I am still in turmoil , sorry to say . I took my guineas to the vet again today for a health check and to determine sex of the 4 babies as they are now just over 3 weeks old . So very cute , and popcorning, making me smile . However , the vet identified 1 male baby who now is on his own in a separate cage :no: as I am told this is how it has to be to avoid more pregnancies . The vet then said she could not be sure of the sexes as they were so young, and she failed to notice a bald patch on one baby - I haven't been handling them as I don't want to bond any more than I already have , but I saw the patch immediately when I picked her up to go back into the cage from the carry basket . The vet also said her own speciality was internal problems with cats and dogs . Where do I go from here ? Mum guinea pig is underweight when I thought I was supplying plenty of food - hay galore , pellets and fresh salad and veg twice a day . I feel a total failure -- 1 dead guinea pig , one underweight female and 4 babies of whom only 1 is definitely male and the others , well who knows ?
Many years ago we kept guinea pigs (pets for our children ) never once did we need to go to a vet , and as they delighted me I bred them and kept the babies -- we never had to use the lawnmower :nod: !
Now I am old and feeling so inadequate - please don't think I'm a whiner-----I am an optimist and know somehow this will work out . ....
 
Please don't feel inadequate, you are not. This situation is not your fault, it's down to the rubbish shop your piggies came from. I wonder if one of the local rescues could help you sex them if your vet can't. There's Little Wheekers or Bristol Rabbit and Friends. It would also be worth asking them what vets they use, you really need one that knows about piggies. I go to Highcroft on the Wells Road, expensive but Sonia knows piggies well.
 
Please don't feel inadequate, you are not. This situation is not your fault, it's down to the rubbish shop your piggies came from. I wonder if one of the local rescues could help you sex them if your vet can't. There's Little Wheekers or Bristol Rabbit and Friends. It would also be worth asking them what vets they use, you really need one that knows about piggies. I go to Highcroft on the Wells Road, expensive but Sonia knows piggies well.
Having paid over £700 in a few weeks in vet's charges I am no longer in a position to pay more . I know this means I can't keep my piggies and care for them properly . I will treat them for mites , get alfalfa hay to boost the weight of my precious girl , and then when I have done my very best for them , I will let them go .
I can't bear to see the lonely boy , and the scratching girls .... it's just awful .... thanks for the tips about sexing them . Like I said I will do my best for them all .
 
So sorr, what an awful time you have had. Reach out to the local rescues now and see if they can take them in x
 
Hello again all
An update -- I still have my 5 guinea pigs -- I have given them mite treatment and the scratching seems way less . I have supplied Mum piggy with alfalfa hay and given her her own little hideaway so she can eat / sleep in peace .
Now I think the bald patch on tiny Soot is actually ringworm so will be getting med for that tomorrow . I feel so sorry for my little lonely boy - he wheeks a lot and I am sure he misses the company he had .
A question -- does anyone know why 2 of the baby piggies do kind of " face offs" .. they are supposedly sisters - if they come face to face they seem aggressive and on the point of fighting , but don't actually fight .
I am trying to get them all healthy, and when they are I will be re-homing them - very hard as the more I get to know them the lovelier they are .
 
I'm sorry to hear of your situation.

Do ensure you don’t overdo the alfalfa hay - her main food still needs to be normal grass hay. Alfalfa is merely supplemental during the nursing period and she only needs a handful a day.

https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/pregnancy-and-nursing-diet.109377/

Was the mite treatment vet prescribed and has the vet diagnosed ringworm?
If your piggy does indeed have ringworm, you need to hit it hard - a good vet prescribed treatment (oral treatment is best) along with a strict cleaning regime, hot washing bedding, throwing away anything that can’t be washed and replacing hay. It really does make a difference. Ringworm can live in the environment for over a year so it’s important to stop it from coming back by being very thorough

Ringworm: Hygiene And Pictures

The facing off - they will be working out their hierarchy. As long as they dont actually fight, then you need to leave them to sort things out between them

Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs
Sows: Behaviour and female health problems (including ovarian cysts)
 
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