Janey
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I believe so, if you check the link I gave earlier on, there’s a section on special diets including IC
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Crying when peeing and pooing.
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Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
To @artcasper, no I haven’t tried this. Will start a diary of eliminating different veg. They have been on a low calcium veg in case it was stones but x Ray come back fine. Is it best to start on one type of veg first for 2 days then a different veg and so on?
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
Sorry everyone for rabbiting on tonight but I get these thoughts in my head that I have to share incase someone on here has experienced this. Snowflake will cry when weeing and pooing faintly. But when his on the worktop whilst I give his medication he can do 4 to 5 poos without crying.
Free Ranger
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It's tricky to rule out their natural prey animal instinct to not show pain - even if he is uncomfortable he might not cry because you are there and he's still a bit scared! My girl Louise knows I don't hurt her when she's picked up and when she realises what is happening she'll sit quietly on my knee - but it takes her some time to relax and eat her snack. If hubs comes and sits near us she's terrified - even though she knows he's the one that brings her grass every day! She doesn't change her position at all but I can feel waves of trembling over her and I have to cover her up completely before it stops.
Is Snowflake wet underneath as if he is trying to hold in his pees but is dripping urine? Or is he dry. I don't know the IC condition but in people it is described as causing 'pelvic pain' rather than just stinging when you actually pee, like normal cystitis. Perhaps it is not his pee stinging him but the contraction of bladder or movement of bowel that causes the discomfort. I shouldn't be giving you more things to ponder about though!
It's going to be tricky doing an elimination diet at this stage as his bladder might still be recovering from the initial bout that caused you all these problems. If he is getting gradually better, and doesn't have ups-and-downs, you might consider if cutting something from his regular diet for 2 or 3 days and see if it makes a difference. But it'll be tempting to think "ahh, I cut out lettuce and he seemed even better" when it might just have been a coincidence. It is supposed to take the poops about 2 days to pass though a piggy which is why I said 2 or 3 days. @artcasper might now be in the position where piggy is well so offering an unusual 'treat' food clearly triggers something.
Is Snowflake wet underneath as if he is trying to hold in his pees but is dripping urine? Or is he dry. I don't know the IC condition but in people it is described as causing 'pelvic pain' rather than just stinging when you actually pee, like normal cystitis. Perhaps it is not his pee stinging him but the contraction of bladder or movement of bowel that causes the discomfort. I shouldn't be giving you more things to ponder about though!
It's going to be tricky doing an elimination diet at this stage as his bladder might still be recovering from the initial bout that caused you all these problems. If he is getting gradually better, and doesn't have ups-and-downs, you might consider if cutting something from his regular diet for 2 or 3 days and see if it makes a difference. But it'll be tempting to think "ahh, I cut out lettuce and he seemed even better" when it might just have been a coincidence. It is supposed to take the poops about 2 days to pass though a piggy which is why I said 2 or 3 days. @artcasper might now be in the position where piggy is well so offering an unusual 'treat' food clearly triggers something.
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
No his not wet a tall underneath. Will mention to vet about contraction of bowel and bladder movements and pelvic pain. Seeing the head vet on Tuesday for his catrophen injection. Cutting out kale for a few days. His putting on weight now and eating and drinking well . Maybe he needs a lot longer to heal. His well in himself been purring on my shoulder this am and popcorning in his cage. They are a worry.xx
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
P.s his not holding in his wee or dripping urine.xx
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maybe his metacam dose could be increased until pain/discomfort,vocalising on weeing and pooing diminishes.
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
I will ask vet what she says about increasing pain relief. Since the 19th August his been on twice daily 0. 35mls metacam.
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
Vet has spoke to specialist this morning regarding snowflake crying when weeing and pooing. His now on twice a day 0.35mls metacam, 0.18mls childs calpol and gabapentin. Hopefully this new pain management will give home some comfort. She thinks he will be on metacam for a long time. Good thing is I’ve weighed him today and he still is 930 g so his holding his weight. Anyone on here had experience on gabapentin? Xx
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
Hi everyone, my male has been put on 0.46 mls twice daily gabapentin for pain. Has anyone used this drug on there guinea pig before? His also on twice daily 0.36 mls metacam and 0.18 mls of calpol infant( I haven’t given him the calpol yet seeing how he goes with the metacam and gabapentin) first.xx
Hi!
Gabapentin is safe for guinea pigs. That is however a massive load of painkillers.
Gabapentin is safe for guinea pigs. That is however a massive load of painkillers.
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
I know vet is trying to get a good pain relief plan going. And planning to decrease this when his pain management is under control. She thinks he will be on metacam for a long time. This problem been going on since the 19 th August. His had x rays of kidneys and bladder no stones, sludge or calcium or blood in urine test. And no infection. His a real mystery for myself and my vet. His gaining weight and eating and drinking. Plus he has a cystophan capsule once a day. And has 2 more injections of catrophen left. His had a large piece of bladder wall which he passed on 21st August which vet has seen. So he may take a longtime to heal inside.
Hi!
The crucial bit in my own experience is less the painkiller than the glucosamine.
I have been able to get better and noticeably quicker on top of the onset and any major flares with my own IC piggies by giving the contents of a glucosamine capsule every 12 hours at first for 2-7 days after research has shown that larger amounts of glucosamine are not harmful.
This then cuts down on the long term levels of painkillers needed, especially between flares. I just up the amount of them at the start of a flare, too, but scale back once the squeaking and th other symptoms subside again.
If the capsules don't bring the looked-for relief, the next port of call would be cartrofen.
IC is very much about firstly finding out how bad it is and then gradually personalising the management at the individual level that is needed with your own piggy. You will develop a feel for who much/how little you can get away with and how much you can up the medication whenever needed and what he responds to best.
I hope that my own experience helps you?
anyar.dris
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I have my piggy Sierra on same meds for her IC. At the moment, she is on 1ml 2x a day of dog Loxicom, 0.25ml gabapentin 3x a day and one capsule of Cystease everyday. She has been on these meds since mid July. We lower the medications depending on how many good days she is having. We up it again during her bad days. We managed to get her down to 0.7ml of Loxicom but she had a very bad day after that, so we had to bring it up again.
Like your piggy, no stones, no lumps, no sludge that cause major concern, just a very inflamed bladder, and we haven't seen any blood in her wee for 2-3 weeks now. We have always discussed with our vet (Ellie Whitehead of Derwent Valley Vets in Matlock) everything we try to do. It's frustrating sometimes when she gets on her bad days though. It's like it's never ending cycle. But as long as she is still somewhat her normal self and eating (we do have to top her up with CC though), and not just lying in her bed all the time, then it's still good.
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
Thank you. For the last 2 weeks his been having a cartrofen injection at the vets once a week. His due his 3rd injection this Tuesday. I have cystophan he has half capsule twice daily. He weighs 930 g. So would it be safe if I gave him 1 capsule every 12 hrs like you said? X
Snowflake
Junior Guinea Pig
Thank you for your reply it’s really helped to know there are other people dealing with the same situation as I am with my pig. It’s trying to get his pain management right at the moment. You wouldn’t know he had a problem until he passes urine. His pop Corning and-eating and drinking fine and holding his weight.
If in doubt, please speak to your vet. When I posted this, I was not aware of the full background and of him being on cartrofen, too; which throws a different light on things.
That is why it is important to keep an ongoing support thread together. We are all doing this for free in our own free time on top of a job, our own piggies (I have currently several ill ones on top of my recent losses and am not getting lots of sleep) and a private life. We also jump a lot in between threads whenever we come on. I can assure you that after several thousands of threads and hundreds on similar subjects, you simply stop being able to remember who posted what several days ago on the cuff sooner or later, despite your best efforts.
You can pick your support thread up at any time via the Find Thread/your threads button by the top bar, but please do us the favour to keep it all to one support thread in order to give us a chance of giving you ongoing, tailored good quality support for however long it takes. We are NOT social media with all its one off posts and hip-shot advice but we rely on your cooperation, too.
I have merged your threads on the same ongoing case for you to allow us to refer back as to what case we are dealing with, what has been said and done before.