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cystitis in boars

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Pepperdog

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I had rather a scare on sunday morning when my neutered boar flash stopped eating and sat in a cozy all fluffed up and not at all well looking.

I rushed him off to the vets and he was diagnosed with cystitis to much relief from me who was very worried about this sudden onset of symptomless illness, the vet who is a general vet examined the tummy and found him very sore, he had a dental exam which was perfect (thank god), so the diagnosis was formed and advice was to isolate him for 24 hours and keep an eye on what wees and poos he does.

I currently have them inside in a very large pen, I didnt want to keep him completely out of his group, but needed to find out what he ate, and what he expelled so I partitioned off a corner of the pen, gave him a fresh white towel, a cozy to keep him warm and hay, water and dry food incase he got the urge to eat. I also put vet bed on two sides of his square so he had warmth and some privacy from the fishwives outside, but so he didnt get lonely or too stressed out he still could see and talk to them.

The medication given was metacam and baytril with one sachet of recovery food (from science selective) and a huge syringe to feed him from over the rest of sunday. And if he was no better by tues to take him back to my vets for a follow up (as it was out of hours so the emergency vets).

I struggled all evening to get him to feed from the syringe, he was very cold (temp of 37 degrees) and today he has warmed up again and has tried to eat hay but as he did sunday gave up pretty quickly. I couldnt get the stuff to flow through the syringe and it was huge and awkward, flash resented being fed this way, got very stressed out and even tried to bite me. I had given him little but decided that stressing him out further was not good for him late last night so made sure he was warm and checked him this morning.

He has remained very bright and chirpy throughout which was why I personally risked a short withdrawl of care, having force fed lots of animals over the years I knew it was becoming more counter productive and he was still wanting to eat on his own, just not managaing it.

Thanks to some great advice and help from suzy and amanda (and better recovery aids than was given) I have managed to get a lot more into him tonight, he was much less stressed and actively taking the food from the syringe (he never takes food from my hands so much as I have tried he wont eat off a spoon either). I caught him drinking from his favourite water bottle (which I made sure he had) earlier and I think the wet patch on the towel earlier on was his wee (but it could have been the girls marking, I dont think likely but its possible). I am thrilled that he has started to drink again as this was the most worrying part of his not taking anything and at least he will keep himself hydrated, I will see how he goes with some choice veg tomorrow but will be syringe feeding him anyway to make sure he gets food.

I post because if I had not been part of this forum I would never have had the support needed to get flash over the most critical period of his recovery, I have no doubt he would have gone down hill further and become more stressed out by the wrong type of force feeding, I knew I was out of my depth and reached out, got the help I needed and flash and myself thank both suzy and amanda for helping us. I want others who have gone through similar to know that help is there if you need it, you just have to ask.

I have kept him apart on suzys advice, I still need to monitor his movements and eating and he had a bit of dire rear because of the baytril so its best for all of them to keep him in one area incase the girls could pick up on anything he expels. I didnt know the sachet I was given was lacking in vit c, a very dangerous thing to not have, he has now been given this vital vitamin, I didnt know what else to try as he wasnt eating his "food" that he was to be given, but now I have everything he needs to recover.

I am still concerned to how cystitis got into his system, I am methodical about what veg they get but as they have not been out on my very (ironically perfect for such ailments) old style grass for so long, its possible the naturally occuring couch grass, dandilion and other grasses have helped any build up from happening, over winter something triggered this but I dont know what. The only early indication was sunday morning at 5am when I heard a funny higher pitched squeek from their room, I thought something had upset the group, they were all chatting to each other and seemed unsettled but assumed one of the girls might be on heat and flash got randy. I think this was the only time he made a noise while having a wee, he hasnt made the noise since so I still dont know if it was him or if it was an actual upset momentarily in the pen.

I apologise for the long post, its not advice I need at the moment but I hope my experience might help any one else who might go through the same thing and that the people on here really do know their stuff, I like the fact that they get right down to the point, I am similar myself and dealing with the rudimentary issues we have managed to get a sick piggie on the road to recovery.
 
Thanks for the update on Flash, glad I could help - even at a distance :))

Suzy x
 
I agree I have a very tight nit support network that I rely on greatly when needed, be it to ask advice or just to talk to when things are getting me down.

I know what I should do but it's nice to have someone say yes that's what you've to do in a time of urgency sometimes you just don't think straight.

Healing wheeks to Flash. x
 
Cystitis/UTI (urinary tract infection) is usually caused by bacteria working their way up the urethra (according to a piggy specialist vet). They are usually picked up from the floor and by natural behaviours like scent marking. Dampness/cold of the ground can then trigger it off. This is UTI season when piggies let out on the lawn for the first time - and conditions are deceptively mild while the ground is still cooler than you'd think. It can also spread between piggies if they are on bedding that is not cleaned regularly or, in case of fleece, washed at a high enough temperature on a regualr basis.

It usually pays to check for blood in the urine to diagnose a cystitis; you cannot always see the blood in the urine, and not every red pee contains actually blood (I have been there myself). There is usually also a higher than normal protein content in the urine as a sign of an infection. It doesn't take a vet long to test for it.

You can collect urine samples yourself by putting your boy on a wipeable surface. Leave him until he's made a few pees. Then suck them up with a clean syringe. Place the syringe in a freezer bag and store it in the fridge until you get to a vet.

Unsweetened cranberry juice (also high in vitamin C!), either pure or mixed with water, is also recommended. You can also use mild diuretics (like dandelions) at first to make your piggy pee out as much of the infected urine as possible, but be careful to offer plenty of water.

Whenever you have a piggy on antibiotics, especially baytril which is pretty harsh on the guts, it is advisable to also give probiotics. Just mix a pinch in with the food you're syringing.

Please be aware that UTI needs usually about at least a three week course of an antibiotic, either baytril (which is still the only licensed antibiotic) or septrin (which is better especially with UTIs and is an oral form of the bactrim mentioned in the following link).

Here is more information on UTI: http://www.guinealynx.info/uti.html

Best of luck with a good recovery; it is always so worrying when things happen over the bank holidays!
 
Bless him, sending him all my healing vibes and this is exactly why I love the forum so much - people are always here in time of need! Hope he makes a speedy recovery and thank you for the info :)
 
The good news is that he's still so bright! I've never known such a wriggle bum :))

Like I said earlier, keep getting the food into him, it'll keep him feeling on top form! Not long until the vets are back on normal hours, and the good thing about Ian is that he's open to suggestions, as I discovered when Boxy was ill.
 
Thank you all, and thank you for that advice, I doubt the small amount of liquid I have is a three week course so I will be taking him back to my own vets once we finish this course to get more for him and continue a longer course of antibiotics.

As this thread is for advice for anyone in the future I am greatful for anymore to be added to help others, especially the handy hints about collecting urine samples and things you can or must give them like the probiotics as I didnt know how harsh the antibiotic actually was on their tummies (on oversight on my part for not looking it up more), he now has some, I will be making sure I have some here for him.
 
The good news is that he's still so bright! I've never known such a wriggle bum :))

Like I said earlier, keep getting the food into him, it'll keep him feeling on top form! Not long until the vets are back on normal hours, and the good thing about Ian is that he's open to suggestions, as I discovered when Boxy was ill.

He had lots earlier and then wanted to be off exploring rolleyes but as pepper was sat on the floor in the lounge watching for him to come near her I thought it best to put him back with the fishwives of weston :)) (as in his room in the pen)

And just so everyone knows why I call them this at the moment, since he has been in his little pen they have wheeked at him, tried to get in and even tried to steal his food, its like nagging in trio :)) the only one that is really missing his company is crystal who lies next to the bars so he can see her and she can see him x>> she hasnt left his side for too long all day, bless her
 
Thank you all, and thank you for that advice, I doubt the small amount of liquid I have is a three week course so I will be taking him back to my own vets once we finish this course to get more for him and continue a longer course of antibiotics.

As this thread is for advice for anyone in the future I am greatful for anymore to be added to help others, especially the handy hints about collecting urine samples and things you can or must give them like the probiotics as I didnt know how harsh the antibiotic actually was on their tummies (on oversight on my part for not looking it up more), he now has some, I will be making sure I have some here for him.

I would say the stuff that I brought round today pretty much sums it up...

Powdered high fibre food (oxbow critical care, supreme recovery or similar) that can be mixed with water for syringe feeding
An appropriately sized syringe! The one the vet gave you was ridiculous! A 1ml syringe with the end cut off is not only a much easier to handle size, it also minimises the chance of putting too much in the mouth in one go and aspirating the pig.
Probiotics - a must if treating with antibiotics, also advisable for other illnesses too, as chances are, if they're off colour, they won't be eating their own poops so will be missing out on vital goodness!
Vitamin C - pigs need this at all times, but they need higher levels when they're unwell

All of the above should be used in conjunction with appropriate vet advice and prescribed medications!

As for collecting urine, I found the best way was to get piggy sat in some kind of container (I used a cat litter tray). Clean it first (for plastic, rinse in boiling water and leave to air dry, metal can be washed thoroughly and baked in the oven and left to cool). Pop piggy in, distract if required, and wait! The urine needs to be kept in a sterile container. Either suck it up into a new clean syringe and give this to your vet, or you can pick up a sterile sample pot from your vet or local chemist.


And the moral of todays story? If you need help, just ask :)
 
Thank you all, and thank you for that advice, I doubt the small amount of liquid I have is a three week course so I will be taking him back to my own vets once we finish this course to get more for him and continue a longer course of antibiotics.

As this thread is for advice for anyone in the future I am greatful for anymore to be added to help others, especially the handy hints about collecting urine samples and things you can or must give them like the probiotics as I didnt know how harsh the antibiotic actually was on their tummies (on oversight on my part for not looking it up more), he now has some, I will be making sure I have some here for him.

Sadly, many general vets are not aware how important it is to keep the guts going in piggies. I would recommend to always have some probiotics as well as some Critical Care at home; you can easily order some probiotic like avipro plus (which don't contain extra calcium and is therefore ideal for bladder problems) online; the same goes for recovery powders.

Personally, I would also ask your vet for metacam (painkiller/anti-inflammatory) whenever you have a UTI piggy that is wheeking in pain when peeing/pooing to cover the first 2-3 days. Not being in such discomfort will also help with the appetite.

Guinea pig urine is very alkaline, which means that piggies are more prone to UTIs and bladder stones than other species. In my experience, urinary tract infections are not easy to clear out and they have a habit of coming back if not treated long enough; they can be very tenacious. You also need a higher dosis of antibiotics, like ca. 0.4 ml of baytril or 0.5 ml of pediatric septrin twice daily for an average sized piggy.

But these are all things I have learned the hard way over several run-ins with cystitis over the years!
 
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Sadly, many general vets are not aware how important it is to keep the guts going in piggies. I would recommend to always have some probiotics as well as some Critical Care at home; you can easily order some probiotic like avipro plus (which don't contain extra calcium and is therefore ideal for bladder problems) online.

Personally, I would also ask your vet for metacam (painkiller/anti-inflammatory) whenever you have a UTI piggy that is wheeking in pain when peeing/pooing to cover the first 2-3 days. Not being in such discomfort will also help with the appetite.

Guinea pig urine is very alkaline, which means that piggies are more prone to UTIs and bladder stones than other species. In my experience, urinary tract infections are not easy to clear out and they have a habit of coming back if not treated long enough; they can be very tenacious. You also need a higher dosis of antibiotics, like ca. 0.4 ml of baytril or 0.5 ml of pediatric septrin twice daily for an average sized piggy.

He is on metacam, at least that much was done correctly - and I am not having a pop at the vets, it was an emergency so any care is better than none, they did what they thought right and on the whole the right things were said that I have read on here so wasnt overly worried by the consult but knew that chances were I would need more than was given. I just have more painkiller than antibiotics :x

I think a long course is just the ticket for him.
 
Metacam is not a bad thing to start with a cystitis (it is an anit-inflammatory as well as painkiller). You always try to do your best when faced with a crisis over these long weekends; I have been there myself, so I can feel for you! Great for you to have a friend who can pop by!

Hopefully, your boy will feel better soon! You can keep him with the others once he is eating normally, but change his bedding more often as long as he is acute to prevent it from spreading.
 
I gave him two more feeds and just did his meds, placed a slice of pepper and a couple of cucumber sections with a leaf off the broccoli to see if he fancied a nibble, teeth marks on the cucumber but not actually eaten anything, but he is now drinking properly.

He is still quite depressed and when I put him back in he will sit in the corner and face the girls, they oblige and come over to him to say hello, he will then go in his cozy to hide away. Earlier when the girls were eating their veg he looked very interested in eating but he didnt, but its still early days and I am staying very positive that as he wants to eat it will happen soon, just he has to start to swallow what he nibbles.
 
we have slight eating :laluot_03: but he stays very still in the hope I dont notice him when I go in there so I have put a few veggies in for him to nibble on and have left the room. I noticed a cucumber slice has dissapeared from earlier and he was out by the hay rack when I just got in from shopping so he is trying to eat on his own.

Come on flash man, get nibbling away properly
 
Just keep weighing him daily so you know how much he is eating and whether you still need to top him up, but it sounds encouraging!
 
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