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Sue_P

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I’ve always thought there was something amiss with my black rodent’s back legs. He’s been known to walk like Charlie Chaplin, he’s been known to slide his back legs around a bit like he hasn’t got good grip, he sways a little too much and basically although he can get around and run I’ve always thought something was abnormal with his back legs.

More recently I’ve noticed that when standing and eating food he often bears his weight on his heels and his claw/s can be elevated off the ground a bit, it might have always been like this and I just haven’t noticed up until now. Last week I noticed he was dragging his right back leg around a bit, it looked like it was numb and he just wasn’t using it as he should. This leg has a tendency to splay out to the right i.e. point away from his body. He’ll often turn whilst eating and leave his right foot in the position it was in and not take it with him.

I’ve also been aware that when he lies down in his hay he often has this leg sticking out and doesn’t lie on top of it. My other rodent sits perched with his legs totally under him yet the black one kind of lies to one side a bit with his right back leg usually sticking outwards. Here’s an old picture of what I mean although it was in a more peculiar position than normal.

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Here’s some other old pictures of his leg, I can’t see anything obvious but if anyone more experienced spots anything speak up.

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If you look in this old picture it shows perfectly something I am concerned with. If you look closely his left foot has his claws splayed out. He has full movement of them but yet with the back right foot you’ll notice that the claws look more limp and close together. This is what it looks like when he’s walking and foraging for food, one lot of claws seem to be active and being used properly yet his right foot looks numb.

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Very concerning I noticed last night that his right back foot is cold to the touch!
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At first I panicked and thought he isn’t getting blood to the foot and then I thought about it a bit more and figured the lack of heat to his foot may be because he sleeps with it sticking out all of the time. I actually think this may be the logical explanation and also why more recently he’s been walking around with it looking like a dead limb, I think it’s just stone cold. What are your thoughts?

(He shows no sign of pain when I feel around his leg. He can use it and does bear weight on it.)
 
Some piggies do lay with their legs sticking out its just their way of being comfy!

If in doubt get it checked out - by a vet!
 
I'd advise a vet trip...have you mentioned it to the vet at previous visits? Sounds like it could be something spinal.
 
No I don’t think I have mentioned it at other vets trips to be honest, I certainly don’t recall a vet poking and prodding his legs. Obviously vets haven’t picked up on it/noticed it themselves when he’s been on the vets tables before.
 
Well unless they were asked to look at it, they may not notice it. I would have him to the vets and get it checked out.
 
Could be arthritis you would need an x-ray to confirm

If it does turn out to be arthritis I have had great success with Potters Tabritis tablets to treat it, now my boy is back to walking normally and you wouldnt know he has a problem he does however need the tabritis everyday.
 
Can you pick up Potters Tabritis tablets at any chemist without a prescription? & are the symptoms of my rodent the same as what your one has had?
 
Sue, please do not take what Agent F has said as gospel, you should get "your rodent" checked by a vet, before you start popping pills into him.
 
I find researching into the experiences of other people valuable, rodent forums can give you a good insight into what’s wrong, nowt wrong with discussing it. I took vets advice with my fluffy beautiful lop eared bunny rabbit Henry and didn’t seek other rabbit owners opinions, if I had he wouldn’t have died. Vets ain’t God. They mess up. It’s my opinion that researching online is helpful. I’m not rushing to the chemists this minute to overdose him just cos of what AgentF said, I’m just finding info which could help, keep your hair on toffeewoffee.
 
Suppose i am playing right into your hands here aren't i? I didn't think it would be long before you were back.......... Research is good! I like research too, but we are not experts, we cannot see "your rodent" in person, we cannot diagnose, i suggest you find yourself a better vet you are confident with, there are vet gods out there.

If it wasn't for the advice, support and research on here, my boy would have died without a doubt, but because i also had a very good vet, who knew her stuff, she managed to save him, then i managed to give all the after care he needed (as advised on here) and we saved him.
 
Out of curiosity, what are the symptoms of arthritic pain? How would I know if he’s suffering or not?
 
You would only know with an xray. My Amelia Jane has atrhritis in one of her legs and this was found with an xray.
 
Out of curiosity, what are the symptoms of arthritic pain? How would I know if he’s suffering or not?

Ask my dog

She has arthritus in her hips and shoulder as well as her feet joints (but mildly). I took her to the vets last week as she seemed to have a different gait to normal, had trouble jumping on the bed at night and into the car, left her left hind leg poking out when lying down when normally it would be tucked in. She has shown no obvious signs of pain, no real symptoms other than a little different to normal. She is on pain relief for the rest of her life, yet nearly a week on she shows little difference to previously, its not because the meds are not working, but because she will not exhibit any issues unless its extremely painful and never has done, like a guinea pig she hides this illness. The only reason myself and the vet have taken the pain med route is from actual examination of her body, her leg is very badly affected, worse than I thought, I am glad I took her so she can now be more comfortable.
 
Thanks Pepperdog. So you definitely don’t think there’s any way of telling if a rodent is in pain then? They don’t give anything away at all? Squeezing an arthritic leg wouldn’t make it yelp for example? & that there’s no certain type of behaviour rodents in pain display?
 
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But is there a way to know if a rodent’s in pain? Other than an x-ray. Would you expect the leg to hurt when being squeezed and hear a yelp? Is there a certain type of behaviour a rodent in pain displays? Is the fact that he sleeps with his leg sticking out indicative of leg pain?

from my experience no

if a guinea pig is screaming in pain, it is extreme pain and should have been dealt with already
 
Out of curiosity, what are the symptoms of arthritic pain? How would I know if he’s suffering or not?

It'd probably show no outward signs of pain - you're more likely to notice changes in behaviour (a wet bum from moving around less resulting in sitting in urine etc.) rather than outward signs like limping.

I'm not convinced from your description that arthritis is the likely culprit - you describe the leg as floppy and weakened? This could well be a spinal problem affecting the nerves to the leg, and should be checked out.

Out of interest, how did the pig with polyp surgery, and the sneezing blood pig get on?
 
Yes i'd also be interested to know how the many other issues you've has with "your rodents" are getting on?
 
I have just had the misfortune of reading some of your other threads :(

I do hope you take your 'rodent' to a different vet and not the same one which wrestled your other piggy around.

We can only give advice here and we are not vets. Please get your piggie seen by a cavvy savvy vet asap!
 
@ Amanda – Well actually my black rodent does sit in his own pee! I sometimes have to bath him because his fur gets so manked up. Also when it’s treat time I walk in calling to them and the fudge coloured rodent comes storming out from his box running about wheeking but the black one remains in bed. That’s gone on a long while, I usually put the food out and then lift his box up and usher him out too. He does get up and out for the grass bell though.


Update on the fudge coloured rodent: - http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1396668#post1396668


@ mshappy – I won’t be seeing the female vet that wrestled and shouted at my rodent again but I will go back to the same practice, there’s a male vet there that I think is alright. If I take my rodent to a vets about his legs I’ll see him, I don’t want to travel miles and he may just say the same thing a cavvy savvy vet would say. Anyway I imagine this condition isn’t just a rodent thing, if my local vets are used to treating cats and dogs then surely they’ll display similar symptoms.
 
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[*] If [/*]I take my rodent to a vets about his legs I’ll see him, [*]I don’t want to travel miles and he may just say the same thing a cavvy savvy vet would sa[/*]y. Anyway I imagine this condition isn’t just a rodent thing, [*]if my local vets are used to treating cats and dogs then surely they’ll display similar symptoms.[/*]

I give up! mallethead:x
 
Look, the vet I like at my local practice hasn't done anything wrong yet. He hasn't really wrongly diagnosed anything yet and he did a fine job with the fudge coloured rodent's polyp, cut him some slack.
 
It comes down to the welfare of your animals. As a responsible owner you should find a decent vet not just one which happens to be closer!
 
Just to check... can young rodents have arthritis cos like I say I’ve always thought there was something strange about his back legs? I’ve had them both since they were one years old and they’re now over 4.
 
@ mshappy and toffeewoffee - Apart from my local vet practice always wanting to prescribe baytril in the first instance of treatment as their company policy, what has the male vet that I like called Phil at my local practice done wrong? He seems knowledgeable to me and he cares about rodents as he's had them himself as pets and he always gives a lot of time to talk and is willing to talk on the phone for free afterwards. He’s a nice geezer. He talks in detail about possible causes and talks about all the options of treatment.
 
Sue looking back at your threads your piggies seem to have problem after problem. I have never known someones piggys to be so poorly. The fact a vet at that practice wrestled you pig is disgusting. I certainly wouldn't carry on lining their pockets!
 
Well it’s not the vets fault they have health problems. They haven’t been the cause of their ailments and frankly I think I’m quite hysterical when it comes to my rodents, I tend to think I notice more things than an average rodent owner. Other rodents probably have things wrong with them too but just aren’t noticed. I mean my black rodents leg is fairly unnoticeable and if he lived in a small hutch and you couldn’t see him walking about you’d not know about it.

I slated the woman vet off to my fave vet. She’s actually a partner of the practice and should know better. & when we came out of the consultation with her we sl*gged her off to the receptionist who then admitted she was her daughter. I mean I could put in a formal complaint but I can’t be bothered, I just won’t see her again. & anyway, if she treats all pets like that she’s bound to get punched sooner or later, us Keighley lot are pretty rough.
 
Sue, please do not take what Agent F has said as gospel, you should get "your rodent" checked by a vet, before you start popping pills into him.

Toffee my comment said "could be arthritis would need an xray to confirm" not it is arthritis use this.

At no point did I suggest just popping pills into him!
 
Toffee my comment said "could be arthritis would need an xray to confirm" not it is arthritis use this.

At no point did I suggest just popping pills into him!

No you didn't and my post was no reflection on you atall Agent F, please be assured, it was purely a comment to Sue_P who likes to purposely come on here and get peoples backs up! x
 
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