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Dental Under General Anaesthetic

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Sarah Beckett

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Hi everyone ...My 4 year old piggy Tigs has been unwell on/ off for over a year with initial head tilt loss of appetite and weight loss helped by 3 lots antibiotics . For several months has had intermittent cough / sneeze / runny nose but not affecting her appetite and she managed to get back some weight . For approx 2 - 3 weeks drooling but still eating although less and again more weight loss . To cut a long story short she was at vets today . Teeth examined using a light but not much seen and is booked in for a dental tomorrow . As she only weighs 650 g I am worried she won't survive the GA . For a few days now eating only soft stuff like lettuce , celery , apple and not touching pellets or hay . Have tried syringe feeding her mashed up pellets but she starts to cough . I have syringe fed her before without this happening . Just wondering ,is it possible to have her teeth properly looked at or trimmed without general anaesthetic ? Your thought / experience of this would be appreciated.
 
I have a boar who has had several teeth issues in the past, I have a rodentologist family friend who does what she can for my piggies from her home, she has often had to towel wrap him and put a clamp in his mouth (to keep it open) to trim his teeth down with proper clippers, he has never needed a GA.
 
Our vet performs conscious dentals or sometimes uses a tiny bit of gas if the piggie is over stressed as opposed to a full GA but not all vets are skilled in it. In the past before we found our current vet we had a piggie who had 3 dentals with GA without any problem and she weighed around 800g on the last dental.

If it is the back teeth they can be very hard to get to and look at while the piggie is fully conscious. I am tagging in @furryfriends Excellent Adventure Sanctuary as she runs a dental sanctuary and knows a lot regarding dental issues in Guinea Pigs.
To aid syringe feeding I would recommend trimming the end off a 1ml syringe (taking care to make sure the plunger can't come out) This enables you to control the feed better and you are less likely to fire the syringe food out too fast

Sorry you are going through this and lots of love to your piggie
 
Unfortunately no conscious dentals available here. But one of my boys has had to have monthly dentals since he was 2 months old & now he is 2 1/2 years old. The vet has always used gas rather than a full-on GA. Perhaps you could suggest that to your vet?
 
Thanks for your replies and advice folks . I did phone around some vets and it was suggested that it may be better to do under ga to relieve stress for the piggy .not found any that would do it without . I plan to go ahead tomorrow but may suggest gas as you mention ,Lilly and see what they say . If i do nothing she will fade away and die anyway so I suppose it is a risk worth taking as she seems to be getting pickier with food by the day . Will,let you know what happens . fingers crossed !
 
Thanks for your replies and advice folks . I did phone around some vets and it was suggested that it may be better to do under ga to relieve stress for the piggy .not found any that would do it without . I plan to go ahead tomorrow but may suggest gas as you mention ,Lilly and see what they say . If i do nothing she will fade away and die anyway so I suppose it is a risk worth taking as she seems to be getting pickier with food by the day . Will,let you know what happens . fingers crossed !
Unfortunately with dental piggies, as you say, you have to get something done, or they will die. Good luck to Tigs, she certainly has had her share of health issues, poor darling.
 
Good luck with Tigs tomorrow.

You are doing the right thing. Unfortunately vets that do concious dentals are few and far between.

Sending you all our best wishes.
xx
 
I deal with a lot of guinea pigs with dental issues here at the sanctuary, and my vet is fantastic and knowledgeable with regard to dental disease in guinea pigs. I offer temporary places here at the sanctuary to enable guinea pigs to get treatment from my vet, Simon Maddock, here in Northampton. People travel from all over the UK to see him as he is so experienced.

Where about are you based?
 
Hello furry friends ... I am in Central Scotland so coming down there is not really an option for me at present due to family commitments .it would be great if there was something similar up here but thanks for the offer and thanks to everyone else for their support .i will keep you updated .
 
Thanks furryfriends ..will bear that in mind . Tigger was dropped off at vets at 9am . Hopefully all will be ok . Her fleece is all washed and cleaned for her coming back . She and Snuffles have a nice cosy free range area on the hearth around the wood burner , including the wood store bit under it where it's dark and warm. They can roam around the living room if they like but for some reason choose not to !
 
Thanks furryfriends ..will bear that in mind . Tigger was dropped off at vets at 9am . Hopefully all will be ok . Her fleece is all washed and cleaned for her coming back . She and Snuffles have a nice cosy free range area on the hearth around the wood burner , including the wood store bit under it where it's dark and warm. They can roam around the living room if they like but for some reason choose not to !

Hope it goes okay. Keep us updated on her. Fingers and paws crossed
 
Tigs has survived the anaesthetic and is in recovery ...but they found nothing wrong with her teeth , no abscesses etc and they are still not sure why she is coughing , drooling and not eating so have to pick her up later and syringe feed . Think they are giving her pain killers home and antibiotics . A bit of a puzzle really . I ' m thinking possible tumour or ongoing inner ear problem but how would that cause drooling ? Will be glad to get her home any way and she' ll probably muddle through like she has done already . Shame as she is such a friendly little piggy who licks your hand when you go to pat her ...
 
Tigs has survived the anaesthetic and is in recovery ...but they found nothing wrong with her teeth , no abscesses etc and they are still not sure why she is coughing , drooling and not eating so have to pick her up later and syringe feed . Think they are giving her pain killers home and antibiotics . A bit of a puzzle really . I ' m thinking possible tumour or ongoing inner ear problem but how would that cause drooling ? Will be glad to get her home any way and she' ll probably muddle through like she has done already . Shame as she is such a friendly little piggy who licks your hand when you go to pat her ...

Sorry to hear no evidence of anything found, very frustrating. Maybe worth a dental x-ray to rule out root issues. If she hasn't been on the pain killers before hopefully they will help a little. Can she pick up food ok?
 
She has been able to pick up food but with carrots she just chops them up and leaves them . She has had metacam previously and it seemed to help . If she has to just stay on this ,at age 4 !I suppose as long as she is comfortable and able to eat , that is the most important thing .Glad she is coming home alive though as was quite worried about that and lit the stove for her so she'll be cosy and warm .
 
Well tigger came back from vet and we are non the wiser as nil found wrong with teeth . She came home with ranitidine and metacam and special feed for syringeing. Why ranitidine ?i know it is a gastric med . Got to speak to student nurse and she didn't t know ! No anti biotics . Also no cough , no drool and she has been eating some guinea pig muesli .... Very odd !
 
Well tigger came back from vet and we are non the wiser as nil found wrong with teeth . She came home with ranitidine and metacam and special feed for syringeing. Why ranitidine ?i know it is a gastric med . Got to speak to student nurse and she didn't t know ! No anti biotics . Also no cough , no drool and she has been eating some guinea pig muesli .... Very odd !
It can be so frustrating when there is no diagnosis. Can't help with the ranitidine - never heard of it. Strange how she has suddenly lost all her symptoms. Could it be because she is not in pain?
 
Hi Lilly , possibly ,was thinking this myself but don' t know how that would affect cough and runny nose . Main thing is she feels better tho , mystery or no !could the mouth examination have dislodged something stuck ?
 
That is odd, however very good. The Zantac could possibly be because it is a gut stim so will keep food moving through her system avoiding gut statis if she is not eating much possibly. It is a safe drug to use long term so don't worry. I am hoping things continue well for Tigger, it is such a worry when they are ill.
We are all here to support as much as we can.
 
The conscious dental thing varies a lot depending on location. I'm in Ontario, Canada, and no vet is trained in conscious dentals in my area (I have looked.) My vet gives them a gas anesthesia, which is supposedly the safest for small animals. Both of my pigs have had gas anesthesia without side effects (my younger one has been put out at least four or five times due to dental/abscess issues and has recovered quite well each time.) One of my previous pigs had gas anesthesia twice in the last weeks of her life when she was extremely ill and recovered well from the anesthesia, though she eventually passed away to osteomyelitis and sepsis. So although there is always a risk to anesthesia, my experience thus far is that my pigs have all done well with it even when ill or deconditioned.

One suggestion that I have when dealing with dental issues when nothing seems to be wrong with the teeth is that there may be an abscess brewing that is not yet apparent. I went through this with Sundae, one of my pigs. She had obvious dental symptoms (weight loss, being interested in food but not eating it, chewing slowly, pulling faces when chewing, coughing/gagging while eating, etc.) She had one dental which found a molar spur and filed it down, but continued to intermittently show symptoms. She had two more dentals where the vet filed her teeth slightly, but didn't really find anything that looked like it needed fixing. This went on for a period of five or six months (with a dental filing every 6 weeks or so, followed by recovery and then a gradual return of symptoms while led to another dental filing.) After about 6 months, almost overnight, the side of her jaw puffed up in a huge abscess. The vet lanced and drained it, and apparently it was very deep, all the way down under her jaw muscle, and was probably very painful for her. Once the abscess was under control, she resumed eating normally for the first time in 6 months, regained all the weight she had lost, and required no more dentals (it's now been about 6 months since the surgery; she was previous going for a dental at least every 1.5 months.) I now think that she probably had a deep abscess that was uncomfortable when chewing and her dental issues were due to her favouring the opposite side, but that there was no way to detect it until it became big enough to swell externally. So I would keep a close eye on his face, and keep feeling along the jawline for lumps/bumps that weren't there before. Abscesses can pop up very suddenly, Sundae went from having no lump to a lump so large that she could no longer open her mouth literally overnight.

Lots of luck, I know dental problems are stressful and wish you and your piggy all the best!
 
Thanks for your reply freela I'm glad you got your piggy sorted eventually.I's a pity it took so many episodes of being unwell to find the cause .Tigs is fine at present , she has been eating fresh green hay , veggies and muesli today and have been topping up with Recovery by syringe to try to fatten her up . She is due back at the vets for her post op check tomorrow so I will mention the possibility of abscess and see what the vet thinks .also I will query the possibility of a dental X-rays to be done if she becomes unwell again . It is possible she is eating again because of pain relief . But that doesn't answer for the lack of cough , gagging and runny nose and drooling unless
that is her reaction to pain ..?!
Also ,thanks to everyone showed an interest and thanks for your replies .
 
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